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PostPosted: 03-10-2009 08:05    Post subject: Celebrity Ghosts. Reply with quote

Not sure if there's already a similar thread? Mods, feel free to bump.

(Also the word 'celebrity' might be deemed inapproprite for some of the old hams and hacks that I can imagine manifesting themselves on this type of thread, but then I suppose some of us almost always find the link between the word celebrity and the inividuals it's applied to rather tenuous).

I recently read David Seabrook's, All the Devils Are Here - a rather strange, rambling, arch (and highly recommended) book about Kent which covers everything from Dadd to Dickens, Haw-Haw to Mosley and The 39 Steps to The Waste Land.

Denizen of Deal and enthusiastic friend of Dorothy, Charles Hawtrey gets a mention. As does the suggestion that he might be haunting his old, and now Blue-Plaqued (which must have made some of the blue-rinses blue in the face), house.
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The current owners, Peter and Barbra Stevens, agreed. 'I think we've got ghosts in the house. We went away to France and when we returned bottles of wine we had left in boxes in the cellar were all laid out in neat rows. My husband was also inexplicably locked in a cupboard...


I can imagine the poor drunken sot's shade staringly longingly at rows of booze - but, Charles Hawtrey, locking someone in the closet? Or do ghosts have a sense of irony?
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PostPosted: 03-10-2009 17:26    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ooh, I say!
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PostPosted: 04-10-2009 08:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

FT dropped a cheeky fact into the "Ghostwatch" column a year or two ago - that Cary Grant haunts the Rottingdean Club (in Rottingdean just outside Brighton).

But it was just mentioned in passing and I haven't found any other reference to it, or a reason as to why he would want to haunt the place.

I haven't looked that hard though.
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PostPosted: 04-10-2009 09:39    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marilyn Monroe is supposed to haunt several places one of which is th Hollywood Rooservelt Hotel where she was a frequent visiter.Its said her reflection can be seen in a full length mirror which used to be in her regular suite if you look into it......a definate improvement for most of us i'd think particularly early in the morning.
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PostPosted: 12-10-2009 10:50    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sid James is said to haunt a dressing room at the Sunderland Empire, where he met his end in 1976.

Les Dawson was given the dressing room when touring there in the 1980's and witnessed something so upsetting that he refused to stay there again or say what he saw.

There doesn't seem to be very much on the net about this, although I heard the story from someone who's relation worked at the Empire at the time. I don't know whether it's credible let alone true but it makes for a nice storey nonetheless
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PostPosted: 12-10-2009 20:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

CarlosTheDJ wrote:
FT dropped a cheeky fact into the "Ghostwatch" column a year or two ago - that Cary Grant haunts the Rottingdean Club (in Rottingdean just outside Brighton).

But it was just mentioned in passing and I haven't found any other reference to it, or a reason as to why he would want to haunt the place.

I haven't looked that hard though.


Cary Grant


Location: Brighton - Rottingdean Club
Type: Haunting Manifestation
Date / Time: 1987 onwards
Further Comments: In life, Cary is said to have made several bids on this club, as he fell head over heels* in love with it.

From Paranormaldatabase.com Smile

*heals in original but it annoyed me!
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PostPosted: 12-10-2009 21:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

orgazoid wrote:
Sid James is said to haunt a dressing room at the Sunderland Empire, where he met his end in 1976.


An interwebby search later and I found quite a bit about this story including the legendary phone call to his manager which apparently went...

"Sid James has just died on stage in Sunderland."

"Don't worry, everybody dies in Sunderland!"

Laughing

Though the same wording and phrasing seems to follow the story as posted by orgazoid. "After one experience during an engagement there, the comedian Les Dawson refused to play the venue again. He never revealed why and would not talk on the subject." which makes me doubt the story's validity, sounds too much like a "luvvies' ghost story.

This article from the Evening Chronicle (Newcastle, England), April 26, 2006 seems to deny the story though.

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Spirit of Sid said to haunt theatre

Byline: By Ray Marshall

He was one of Britain's favourite actors, who put the chuckle into the Carry Ons.

And it was 30 years ago today that Sid James collapsed and died on stage at the Sunderland Empire on the opening night of The Mating Season.

During the performance Sid suddenly stopped acting, although most of the audience hadn't realised, and Audrey Jeans, his co-star, started fluffing her lines and ad-libbing.

Sid took a few steps backwards and collapsed on to a couch behind him.

Audrey shouted into the wings "close the curtains", which promptly came down.

Naturally, most of the audience thought it was part of the act and there was much laughter going on.

Theatre manager Mel James had just returned to his office from seeing the play get under way.

"I was standing on the side of the stage, just before the curtain went up," said Les. "Ironically, Sid introduced himself to myself and another member of staff, as if we didn't recognise him. He looked great, the show started and his co-star went on and then he made his entrance, went through a door, down a couple of steps on to the set.

"It was a box set so I then went to my office which was in the corner of the stage.

"The next thing I knew was when the wardrobe assistant, Helen Lamb, came banging on my door saying, `You'd better come quick, there's something wrong'.

"I ran back on to the stage, which was only a couple of feet away. I looked through a crack in the scenery and saw Sid slumped on a settee and Audrey said, `I don't know if he's trying to corpse me, or what'.

"I immediately went up to the tab perch, which is 12ft up in the air, and brought the tab in. "To this day I don't know how I got back down because I was first to him on the stage. I saw the state of him and decided to go to the audience and ask for a doctor. I shouted for someone to call an ambulance.

"When I went on stage, of course, the audience thought it was part of the show and went into hysterics.

"But I kept on asking for a doctor and eventually a doctor did come and his words to me were `I don't know if I've been had, or what, but you look concerned'.

"By the time he got on stage the ambulance people were there and they said there's nothing we can do for him.

"The doctor said `I'll tell you when we'll stop', and they whipped him straight off to hospital. An hour of so later we found out he had definitely passed away and, unfortunately there was no understudy for him. The set stood exactly as it was until the Thursday when we took it down and packed it on to a wagon to go away."

Sid James, 62, had died of a heart attack.

It is said his spirit never left the Empire and it is claimed many stars who have appeared since have admitted to either seeing or hearing the ghost of Sid James.

The story goes that Les Dawson refused to return to the Empire in the year before he died, claiming what he saw in the dressing room used by Sid gave him the worst experience of his life but Melvyn, now technical manager, said it was rubbish.

Of the Les Dawson story Melvyn said: "I never heard him mention anything at all. "Every night Les used to come and sit on the bottom of the stairs to the old dressing room block and have a chat and didn't mention anything at all. We've never seen or felt anything and I was here for every one of Les's shows and he didn't mention anything to me."


Sid James, a South African, was known as the man with the world's dirtiest laugh.

Born Sidney Joel Cohen, he came to Britain in 1946, after serving in the South African army He had been a diamond cutter, a hairdresser and, some say, a fairground boxer.

After working in rep he appeared in his first film, Night Beat, in 1947. Many followed, including The Lavender Hill Mob with Alec Guinness.

In 1954 he began an extremely successful partnership with Tony Hancock, both on radio and TV.

Their classic partnership ended when Hancock realised that Sid had became his equal and they were recognised as a double act. Sid then became a leading member of the great Carry On team, eventually making 19 of those cult comedy films.

He was due to start a new series of the popular TV comedy series Bless This House, with Diana Coupland, when he died.


A couple of other web pages mention that Barbara Windsor refused to play the Sunderland Empire. I don't know if she saw Sid but he was famously obsessed with her to the point her husband Ronnie Knight put an axe through his door.

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PostPosted: 03-11-2009 16:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another version of the same story, equally hazy on particulars, as a bump:

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THEATRE STAGE AN OLD HAUNT FOR SID?

YESTERDAY marked the 30th anniversary of the passing of actor Sid James, who died suddenly while appearing at the Sunderland Empire Theatre. Sid exited the stage in a way he never would have expected.

However, as a fellow thespian remarked: "It was probably the way he would have wanted to go – doing what he loved best."

Sid may have left this life for whatever lies beyond, but there have been persistent rumours that he may not have fully left the theatre.

Last week I interviewed Melvyn James – a spooky coincidence with the surname there, perhaps – who was stage manager at the Empire then and now serves as technical manager.

What, I asked him, was the real truth behind the rumours that Sid’s ghost had been seen in the theatre since his untimely demise?

First Melvyn told me what really happened when Sid died, as distorted accounts have been bandied around in the Press ever since.

"Sid was at the side of stage chatting just as the curtain was about to go up.

"He looked fine. It was the opening night of The Mating Game and he introduced himself to everyone; not that he needed to – who could mistake Sid James?

"Anyway, I was in my office when the wardrobe mistress called and asked me to make my way up.

"There was something wrong with Sid. He’d slumped down on a sofa on the stage and then flopped back-over.

Serious

"I made my way onto the stage and as soon as I saw him I knew it was very serious.

"His lips were turning blue and his eyes had rolled back in his head."

Melvyn James made an appeal to the audience, shouting, "Is there a doctor in the house?"

Horribly, the crowd thought that this was simply a light-hearted diversion from the script and roared with laughter. Eventually a doctor did come forward and an ambulance was called, but it was too late.

Rumours persist that a number of celebrities have seen Sid’s ghost in what used to be his dressing room.

What about the tale that Les Dawson had bumped into the by then other-worldly Mr James?

"I’ve heard the stories," replies Melvyn. "But if Les did see anything, he never mentioned it when he was here.

"Maybe he related something later, but I saw him regularly and he never made any such claims."

And Barbara Windsor?

"It’s true that Barbara hasn’t appeared here since Sid’s death," said Melvyn. "But I really don’t know why."

"Perhaps Babs just can’t bear to work the same stage on which her good friend died."

The Les Dawson story may well have some substance to it.

Les was supposed to have seen Sid’s ghost at the Empire in 1989.

He didn’t die till 1993 and therefore had a number of years to scotch the story if it was untrue. He never did.

Contrary to a number of fanciful meanderings in the Press, Melvyn James doesn’t seem convinced that the Sunderland Empire is really haunted.

He doesn’t talk like a sceptic, mind you – more of an agnostic.

Maybe he’ll bump into Sid one day, who knows.

Next week I’ll tell you what happened when the theatre’s Press & marketing co-ordinator, Joanne Wilkins, took me on a tour of some of the theatre’s darkest recesses.

It’s a good job I had my camera with me... to be continued.

http://www.shieldsgazette.com/CustomPages/CustomPage.aspx?PageID=58275&sectionID=6150
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PostPosted: 14-10-2013 02:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Cher: Sonny's Ghost Screws With Me

Cher believes in life after ... death -- claiming ex-husband Sonny Bono's ghost not only lingers around ... but still pulls pranks on her!

When asked about her thoughts on ghosts during a recent AMA (ask me anything) on Reddit ... Cher confessed she's a hardcore believer -- 'cause Sonny still messes with her from beyond.

"I actually think that Sonny makes a light go on (in the house)" Cher revealed, adding, "I have a beautiful chandelier that he makes the light go on when it is impossible, there is no power on."


Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2013/09/29/cher-sonny-ghost-reddit-ama/
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PostPosted: 14-10-2013 15:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

"I got woooo, babe."
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