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PostPosted: 25-01-2014 20:45    Post subject: Nellis UFO footage Reply with quote

Hadn't seen this footage discussed yet when I searched for it:
http://tinyurl.com/l8p8zj9
Looks like typical hat UFO --before it starts morphing. Footage from civilian contractor.
This video has stood up to analyses as far as I know. For me, it represents one of most important pieces of UFO evidence I have ever seen.
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PostPosted: 28-01-2014 13:03    Post subject: Reply with quote

That really is odd. When it gets closer it looks like a fairly complex shape.

There's some more stuff about this and a video of a conference where a Lockheed contractor talks about a night time sighting at Nellis here http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=235856
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PostPosted: 28-01-2014 15:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks linesmachine, for that great link! Looks to be authentic footage, and evidence of unknown technologies. Perhaps a metallic object with some kind of nanotech hull and the ability to change shape as needed (similar to programmable materials)? The weather balloon cover story to explain metallic morphing UFOs is quite clever, eh? If I was the US military, I'd be scared too. Shocked
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PostPosted: 28-01-2014 16:36    Post subject: Reply with quote

Worth scrolling down on on linesmachine's link above to see the longer 12.22 minute [and better quality] footage of this incident with some informed analysis. The yoochoob link of it is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oCl2kROv1Y

Certainly one of the more intriguing UFO films.
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PostPosted: 28-01-2014 17:30    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that link Hunck! Yeah, it's pretty amazing footage indeed.
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PostPosted: 29-01-2014 09:50    Post subject: Reply with quote

This footage has been around for long enough for someone to debunk it or run analysis on it and prove it fake. but I'm finding no indication at all from any source that it's anything but genuine.

Anyone else found any further reading on it?
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PostPosted: 30-01-2014 11:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like these Nellis videos for their authenticity compared to the bumbling mass of shite presented on the 'net.. I've watched these and also eventually linked out to Stephen Greer's disclosure press conference, which I hadn't known about before. Are there discussion threads on the board related to Greer, his efforts to bring about disclosure, or the Sirius documentary made about his work? I'm not a believer, but listening to these ranking officials, it seems they're genuine about their experiences and some of them appear to be very unsettled by the phenomena; spooked actually. Air Force Colonels, retired or otherwise, don't usually reveal inner turmoil and some of these men are clearly freaked out by what they saw. Astronauts Cooper and Mitchell similarly impress me as convincing witnesses. Human fallibility in the upper echelons of the most powerful military force on the planet is the likely explanation, but this press conference is intriguing for the unity of so many credible witnesses. I guess this has already been passed off by the Knowers as a shared delusion inspired by a very persuasive and eager advocate (in Greer) for the ET theory. I'd like to read through the debate if there is any here.

This is the press conference I'm talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE-x4WTsbMw
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PostPosted: 30-01-2014 11:42    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lots of posts about Greer (and Sirius) in our UFO forum. Just search on his name in that forum only, show results as Posts.
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PostPosted: 30-01-2014 11:46    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. I will.
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PostPosted: 30-01-2014 16:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a thread discussing the Nellis footage here:
http://www.realityuncovered.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1911

Some doubt is cast on the audio as to whether it's genuine & recorded at the time or dubbed on later - who can honestly say one way or the other? In addition, some of the analysis done on the footage, speed, acceleration, distance travelled etc uses metric scale whereas if it's US footage measurement would be in imperial ie feet instead of meters, so all estimates would be more than 3 times less than the metric version making them somewhat less impressive and otherworldly. Ends up with the possible explanation of balloons, though quite why they would be filming balloons is not discussed.

There's also a long thread on Above Top Secret with some interesting posts. Helicopter proposed & dismissed, possible early UAV...

It doesn't seem to be conclusively debunked but the problem with it, as in most UFO footage, is that it's simply not good enough quality to tell anything definite about it.
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PostPosted: 04-02-2014 17:49    Post subject: Reply with quote

skinny wrote:
Human fallibility in the upper echelons of the most powerful military force on the planet is the likely explanation,


This is kind of a logical fallacy, as if the information was mostly sketchy and unreliable, and shows disregard for the weight and corroboration behind the testimony.
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PostPosted: 07-02-2014 10:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whoah, I sure didn't mean to disregard anything. Anecdotal evidence is among the least trustworthy, but outside of that particular statement I think my post makes clear that I find much of the witness testimony compelling. I think it's a shame it all seems to have been passed off and disregarded. Association with Greer appears to have done for the movement, which is rather frustrating. What more do we do with these stories though? Once they've been disclosed, where do we go with it? How can these stories be verified?
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PostPosted: 07-02-2014 11:26    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Whoah, I sure didn't mean to disregard anything. Anecdotal evidence is among the least trustworthy, but outside of that particular statement I think my post makes clear that I find much of the witness testimony compelling. I think it's a shame it all seems to have been passed off and disregarded. Association with Greer appears to have done for the movement, which is rather frustrating. What more do we do with these stories though? Once they've been disclosed, where do we go with it? How can these stories be verified?


Sorry to misunderstand.

When it comes to a structured disclosure, the more you study it, the more disappointing it gets in terms of there being a substantial "disclosure event." There are almost no real-life examples of people in power loosening their grip without being physically forced to. Not to mention there really could be things about the ET reality which we're being guarded from, and could have major repercussions if released. We simply don't know why they're hiding it, and they can't exactly say "it's real but you don't wanna know, trust us" because then the reaction is "Yes we do!"

I think that disclosure has already happened. We've got hundreds of knowledgeable people telling us ET life is legit, we've got some of the highest ranking officers who deal with Roswell saying it was an ET craft, we've got thousands (ok, make that hundreds or dozens if you wish) of photos and videos, and we've got astronomers telling us there are a plethora of habitable planets. This might be as good as it gets, and people might just need to accept this.

But back to a true disclosure scenario. Let's assume there are underground bases holding ET craft and live ETs, which I'm sure there are. In other words, physical evidence that cannot be denied once in the public domain. When the stories first came out about S4, they could have put the whole thing to bed by letting Channel 8 news fly a chopper up to Papoose lake and touch down for a quick news cast -- but they didn't. They stone-walled and continue to. There's never going to be an invite. There's never going to be a formal release.

As long as ordinary citizens yield to armed forces and fortified compounds, governmental disclosure isn't happening.
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PostPosted: 07-02-2014 14:29    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with you both, and nicely stated Human_84! Now a lot of skeptics will say that there is no coverup because the government can't keep a secret, and they are RIGHT! In the US, with all of the leaks occurring, that is exactly what is happening. Sure goverments can be forced to provide some documents and provide others, so as to maintain plausible deniability. I completely agree with you that there may be damned good reasons why full disclosure is witheld (besides the obvious ones). All kinds of closeup video of these things has been taken, and confiscated, never to reappear again. Doubtless the US goverment has pieces and parts of these things in the Blue Room too. Unfortunately for world governments, they are not in charge of disclosure, and apparently not in control of civilian and mitary airspace. All they can do is deny, and drop flares. An exhausting desensitization might be underway by the phenomenon.
Before the coverup, in the beginning:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YydcvYaVr2U
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PostPosted: 07-02-2014 17:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Now a lot of skeptics will say that there is no coverup because the government can't keep a secret, and they are RIGHT! In the US, with all of the leaks occurring, that is exactly what is happening.

Nothing about UFOs or aliens in the Snowden disclosures or the Wiki leaks material, which suggests there are no 'pieces and parts of these things in the Blue Room'.

In fact there is no evidence of bits and pieces of alien provenance anywhere, which seems highly significant.
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