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PostPosted: 05-03-2014 06:46    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great story. It reminds me of something I was told by a friend, over 40 years ago, about his brother who would have been about 13 at the time, and - whilst in bed - saw a black hairy hand creeping up from beneath the bed. I think it happened more than once. He was terrified! There was no suggestion that any drink or drugs were involved, but - given the location, in bed - I wonder whether his experience had been some form of hypnagogic hallucination?
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PostPosted: 06-03-2014 00:33    Post subject: Re: A solitary paw tapping on the windows Reply with quote

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Hello, everyone, I'm a longtime lurker finally decloaking. This isn't the story I'd planned to tell, and it didn't even happen to me, but it did happen to my nine-year-old daughter, and I'm posting on both our behalfs (behalves?). It's quite long, for which I apologise, but I'd like to include as much detail as I can.


What story did you plan to tell? (an observation from your words nothing more.)

From your opening post we observe that this is a 3rd person report given to you by a young person, not that this invalidates it in the least, but just to set the ground.

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My elder daughter M had been arguing with her little sister for most of the journey down from Portlaoise and, given that we usually live in the UK, we were not on familiar ground in many senses of the phrase. M was not feeling particularly sociable, and so she elected to stay in the car reading while the rest of us began to get to know our new acquaintances. A little while after, she joined us in the kitchen, and she seemed in pretty good spirits.


From the onset, we see that your young daughter may not have been feeling sociable, but was feeling in good spirits despite experiencing something that many older people would have found quite traumatic, this may be relevant later on.

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It was only days or weeks afterwards - we must have been back home by then - that she told me her experience in the car:


Only days or weeks... that is quite a huge shift. 1 day 1 week 2 days, 2 weeks, can you be more accurate? The experience was not told directly following the event, which is unusual in itself, given that a child experiencing something unusual would likely exit the car (you mention she was not scared at the time) and tell the first person they come across what happened.

You state 'we must have been back home by then'. Do you not remember if you was at home or not when she told you about this experience? If my daughter had told me about something so strange, I'm sure I would remember the location of where (and when) it was told.

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she'd seen a thick, black, furry paw coming down from the car roof and tapping lightly on the windscreen, 1-2-3.


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Very soon afterwards, she saw it coming up from below the rear window of the car, and tapping on the back window. In very quick succession it did the same thing on both sides of the car as well, again reaching up from below. M could hear the paw as it tapped, but could not hear any other movements, especially nothing on the roof or from underneath.


That is a very accurate account from such a young person who decided to keep it to themselves (for no apparent reason, given that you stated they were not frightened, why did they wait so long?)

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As she recounts it now, she says she did not find it particularly scary at the time,


She did not find it scary and yet withheld the event for so long. Unusual.

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That said, she does remember that her sense of perception changed when the paw was tapping on the side windows, as though either she had shrunk or the car had expanded


Unusual for a child to speak of perception, are these your words or hers?


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It was only much later that she realised how eerie an experience it had been (and from my limited knowledge, is this not typical of encounters with the weird?).


Very strange that they waited such a long time to tell you and that they remembered it so well, yes.

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We've talked about it again over the past couple of days. She describes the thing as a paw, more like a cat's paw than a dog's, but she could not make out claws or toes. It was black, furry, and 2-3 inches thick (she actually compared it with the diameter of the stilts she has). She only saw this one paw, and the limb disappearing past the window frame, but nothing else to which it might have been attached.


Did she just describe it, or did you 'help' her with idea's or images to help her remember?

A very interesting tale, marred somewhat by the fact it was not told to you right away (it would be understandable not to tell someone if it had frightened you, but you state this was not the case)

Could it just be a made up tale from an over active imagination to explain why they didn't feel particularly sociable that day? (a fact you revealed yourself in the telling?)

Edit: I noticed that my above posts sounds somewhat skeptical, and given that this is your first post, I would not want to you to think I am 'bashing' you, that is not the case at all. But I do have quite an analytical mind and the way I frame questions may come across as somewhat offensive, forgive me if this is the case Smile


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PostPosted: 06-03-2014 01:04    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sifaka317 wrote:
It reminds me of something I was told by a friend, his brother who would have been about 13 at the time, and - whilst in bed - saw a black hairy hand creeping up from beneath the bed.

I think it happened more than once.


Was his hairy uncle involved Very Happy
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PostPosted: 09-03-2014 02:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

AnacondaEq wrote:
Very strange that they waited such a long time to tell you and that they remembered it so well, yes.

You say this several times in your post, Anaconda. Why do you consider it strange? I experienced plenty of things in my childhood that I debated with myself for days whether I should tell my parents or not -- not anything weird, questionable, or self-incriminating (well, not always Smile ), but simply because the subject would lead to many questions, doubts, and odd looks I'd just as soon have lived without. If I'd ever seen anything I truly considered paranormal/fortean, I doubt I'd have mentioned it at all.

There are numerous stories on FTMB and in supposedly true ghost story collections where the witnesses claimed to have seen something weird as a youth with a friend or sibling and never spoke of it for decades -- even with the friend/sibling they knew also saw "it"!

(It'd take some hunting to track them down, but one I recall was the "Little Black Dog" that jumped through a solid wall and landed between two young brothers -- the poster's brother denied it happened until well into adulthood. UPDATE -- that one is called "Dog From Nowhere" in It Happened to Me! Vol. 4.)
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PostPosted: 01-04-2014 22:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

So we're back from Dartmoor: my silence has not been due to an encounter with the Hairy Hands (in fact, it was very late on a Friday night as we made our way near their apparent hunting ground, late enough that in my tired state I didn't want to go tempting fate...) but to the far more mundane reason that when I refreshed this topic on my phone, it didn't show me we'd gone into a second page...

AnacondaEq, you have asked a lot of questions, and while I appreciate the sentiment of your final paragraph Smile there's no need to apologise for asking them: as I said earlier in the thread, M and I have come here precisely in the hope that being asked questions will help narrow down her experience. Time allowing, I'll open a new thread for the story I had planned to tell. That one does involve me directly, and M also plays a non-speaking role, but we also have a house guest with us just now who experienced some of the strangeness, too, so I can ask her for corroboration.

I'm afraid I can't be more precise about the time that elapsed between this encounter and M telling me. I am almost certain she told me in our kitchen at home. It took me a strangely long time to realise this might be a good candidate for IHTM, so I didn't think to take notes when she was telling me for the first time. I'm also not taking written notes when I discuss the questions raised here with her, and accordingly I am paraphrasing what she says: the reference to perception is almost certainly my way of putting what she actually said.

The account certainly sounds accurate (although, as we later established, I got the order of appearance wrong in my initial post) but that's because we have talked it over quite a lot, to try and get clear in our own minds what happened. And, clearly, human perception and memory is fallible. I do believe that what I am posting here is an accurate summary of M's testimony, and that she is telling me the events in good faith. Whether that actually counts as objective accuracy is a question that is answered in the asking of it Very Happy The most I can say is that I am sure M and I are doing the best we can.

Do I think it's a made-up tale? Well, again, absolute certainty is impossible, but knowing my daughter, I would be amazed if it was: *liberal parent klaxon* we try to encourage her to be open about her feelings, and try not to make her feel guilty for having what are often termed "negative" emotions. We almost certainly would have said to her it was fine to stay in the car if she didn't want to come in straight away, and if she'd not come in of her own accord, my OH or I would have gone back out in a bit to check how she was doing. I can't be certain that's what we told her, precisely because that is our standard approach, and so it would not have been memorable due to its being outside the usual run of things, IYSWIM. So, no, I don't think she would have wanted to try and deflect attention from her unsociableness: I 'd like to think we wouldn't have made a big issue out of it.

As a postscript, it only now occurs to me that she got to ride a pony later that same day, with that same family we were visiting. The excitement of that, and she really was very excited, because she wasn't having regular riding lessons at that stage, may well have driven other things to the back of her mind. I also, actually, think the fact she didn't find it scary at the time might be another reason why she didn't tell me straight away. She's normally not slow to tell us when she's frightened.
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PostPosted: 02-04-2014 09:08    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a sufferer of temporal lobe epilepsy I am familiar with the kind of hallucinations one can have with this condition. One is as you describe hallucinating perspective, feeling bigger, smaller, further away, etc, so I think it was a hallucination, whether or not she has TLE is not known and I am not diagnosing that as I am not qualified.. but the brain is probably the place you should be looking and not the paranormal. BTW I have hallucinations like you wouldn't believe...
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PostPosted: 01-05-2014 12:26    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plus people who don't have any conditions affecting their brain have hallucinations all the time for all sorts of reasons. I was wondering if it was a hallucination because of the strange feelings about space M experienced and wondered if that also affected her perceptions of time as well - the speed of the taps. It could have been something physical there like a cat being interpreted differently to usual as well.

I saw a 'vision' of a downed WW2 aircraft when I was 5 but didn't tell my mum for years because I assumed I was imagining things (I was always being told off for daydreaming by teachers at primary school) but then I heard about local legends of aircrashes and then started wondering to myself whether I had experienced something weird after all (I never found any proof). So I can well imagine that M didn't say anything until she started to think 'hang on, that's odd.'

Welcome to posting Krepostnoi and M. I hope this adventure either moulds M into a Fortean herself or confirms an already burgeoning interest in weird stuff. It's a huge amount of fun.
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PostPosted: 05-05-2014 02:08    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paranormal About.com has an area like IHTM called "Your True Ghost Stories." This recent tale reminded me of this thread:

http://paranormal.about.com/od/weirdcreaturesmonsters/fl/Creature-Claws-Beneath-the-Door.htm

Glad I never lived in a house with a basement!
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