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PostPosted: 11-08-2014 17:46    Post subject: Hidden in plain sight: Symbolic places and their meanings Reply with quote

(I'm not sure this really falls under "conspiracy" but can't think that this topic belongs in any other existing folder).

I'm interested in collating examples of places that have meanings built into them.

One of the obvious examples is the masonic cityscaping of Washington DC, which has attracted a lot of mythologizing (there's a more down to earth survey here).

Then there's the Glasgow cemetery that is allegedly the biggest masonic landscape in the world.

Masons, with their architectural preoccupations, are the most 'obvious' (!) of symbolic placemakers.

Then there are odd one-offs, like Rosslyn Chapel.

Any more for any more?

I've no idea what sort of discussion might come out of this topic, but thought I'd set the ball rolling.
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PostPosted: 11-08-2014 21:01    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a pub in Falmouth called the Masons. In the last year or so, its nameboard has been refurbished - using the Comic Sans font! Seems most inappropriate to me! Perhaps they wanted to distance themselves from any links with Freemasonry.

But Cornwall, apart from mining, was also a source of hard rocks, with quarries exporting granite, etc, out of Penryn and other places, so perhaps the name referred to actual masons employed at such places. Porthoustock quarry still exports roadstone by sea, and the Lone CG reported that Dean Quarry (also on the Lizard), might be brought back into service:
http://www.forteantimes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1442728#1442728

And stonemasons still ply their trade today - the new Jubilee Bridge at Hayle was clad in granite, both as extra protection for the concrete, and to maintain a traditional appearance. The men can be seen at work on my website, from here and (intermittently) on subsequent pages:
http://haylenewbridgenext.weebly.com/apr-4.html

There was an old pub in Penryn called the Red Lion, which has masonic symbols above the door. (Nowadays half of the old pub is a barber shop; the other half was a pet shop, specialising in parrots, for a while.)

Penryn Freemasons celebrate 150 year milestone: PICTURES
3:00pm Monday 21st July 2014

...

The first freemasons in the area met in 1782 at The Kings Arms Hotel, Broad Street.
In 1808 the ‘Peace, Joy and Brotherly Love’ Lodge ceased to meet and during this time another lodge was started under the name of ‘Three Grand Principles’.
This lodge met at the Golden Lion Inn, High Street, (later renamed Higher Market Street) and over time the name changed to ‘The Red Lion Inn’.
The building still bears the Masonic Symbols above the doorway to this day.

...

http://www.thisisthewestcountry.co.uk/news/cornwall_news/11348646.print/
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PostPosted: 12-08-2014 05:43    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know that there is a modern Obelisk on the Great Holm housing estate in Milton Keynes. No plaque or inscription to explain why it's there. A few years ago i heard a few vague freemason conspiracies about it.................
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PostPosted: 12-08-2014 13:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There's a pub in Falmouth called the Masons...
But Cornwall, apart from mining, was also a source of hard rocks, with quarries exporting granite, etc, out of Penryn and other places, so perhaps the name referred to actual masons employed at such places.

And by coincidence, this turns up on the Packet website today:

Massive steam engines pull 15 ton granite blocks through Penryn and Mabe: PICTURE
12:00pm Monday 11th August 2014

A unique sight greeted the residents of Mabe on Sunday, as two massive steam engines, pulling a trailer carrying two blocks of granite, weighing 15 tons, climbed the steep hill through the village.
The lead engine was a Burell, “Janet,” owned and driven by Robin Daniel, followed by “King Harry,” a McLaren, owned and driven by Steve Sanders from Longdowns.
The event was organised to commemorate the start of the Great War in 1914, when both men and machines were called up to serve King and country.

The day's journey began at Lawer's quarry at Longdowns, and made its way along the A394 to Treliever and Treluswell, then down to Penryn's Commercial Road to the old Freeman and McLeod's granite yard (now a boatyard).

This is where the original blocks of granite were taken from the quarries to be cut and polished before being exported all over the world. The convoy halted here for a moment's reflection and commemoration, before moving on to Dale's roundabout, before the steep climb up Hillhead.

After travelling along the by-pass, the most spectacular part of the journey began. The engines and trailer ascended Nanturrian Hill and Antron Hill, before the final part back to Longdowns.

All along the route, there were crowds eager to see the unusual sight, and to take photographs and videos.
The centre of the village was packed with sightseers, with some [who had] travelled from Sussex and Leicestershire to see the spectacle.

http://www.falmouthpacket.co.uk/news/11400858.Massive_steam_engines_pull_15_ton_granite_blocks_through_Penryn_and_Mabe__PICTURE/?ref=mr
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PostPosted: 12-08-2014 15:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I know that there is a modern Obelisk on the Great Holm housing estate in Milton Keynes. No plaque or inscription to explain why it's there. A few years ago i heard a few vague freemason conspiracies about it.................


MK, with its solstice-aligned Midsummer Boulevard, is something of a Mecca for modern witches (if one can use "Mecca" in such a heathen context), and from memory there was a minor local mystery in the early 1980s when black velvet bags containing crystals were found during excavations at some of the place's many roundabouts.

The sort of thing you're suggesting has certainly happened elsewhere. The infamous Ronan Point towerblock was on part of an estate whose streets were named after prominent local masons on the council. Again, if memory serves, RP itself was on Freemason's Way.

EDIT: Just bothered to check. It was the Freemasons Estate that contained RP. No findable online record of the street names, but I'm sure I was right in that the roads were named after masonic councillors (RP itself was named after the local architect who designed it).
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PostPosted: 13-08-2014 07:16    Post subject: Reply with quote

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MK, with its solstice-aligned Midsummer Boulevard, is something of a Mecca for modern witches (if one can use "Mecca" in such a heathen context), and from memory there was a minor local mystery in the early 1980s when black velvet bags containing crystals were found during excavations at some of the place's many roundabouts.


I lived in MK until 4 years ago, and there are some odd bits of folklore and urban legends floating about there. Although i hadn't heard the one about the velvet bags.

I CAN say from personal experience that there is a large manor house just outside MK and in the woods there is an old Chapel that as kids we nicknamed the Black Magic temple. This was due to long black robes, upside down crosses and in the cellar, even an old goat skull and what appeared to be blood on the walls.

Very spooky place (especially at night) a few of us planned to spend the night in it once but things happened and let's just say that we left with alacrity!! Shocked
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PostPosted: 13-08-2014 08:16    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stu73 wrote:
I lived in MK until 4 years ago, and there are some odd bits of folklore and urban legends floating about there.


Ooh, you can't leave that dangling! Go on, share!
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Ooh, you can't leave that dangling! Go on, share!


If you're talking about the spooky old temple, i'll try to find time to post it on IHTM, although it would be quite a long one, as the Bishop said to the Actress Laughing
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PostPosted: 13-08-2014 10:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ooh, you can't leave that dangling! Go on, share!


If you're talking about the spooky old temple, i'll try to find time to post it on IHTM, although it would be quite a long one, as the Bishop said to the Actress Laughing


I meant the ULs about MK, as they would probably be more relevant to this thread. The spooky temple would be good too, wherever you end up putting it.
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PostPosted: 13-08-2014 10:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Palace grounds at Versailles struck me as a very complex design from the air - more to it than just some pleasing geometry, like the Washington DC layout.
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Milton Keynes may be a new town, but it's basically been built within a triangle made up of 3 old towns, and that's where most of the good stuff comes from.

Stony Stratford - Famous for the origins of the phrase "Cock and Bull story" named after the two coaching Inns - I can really recommend the ghost walk tour round there if it's still carried on. Many stories of ghosts, general weirdness and the obligatory headless horseman.

Newport Pagnell - Swan Hotel on the high street is purportedly haunted, strange tunnels linking the church to Tickford Abbey. Cannon pub is supposedly haunted by a Napoleonic era soldier (as the pub is allegedly named after a cannon brought back from those wars)

Bletchley - I used to live a stones throw from Bletchley Park and have heard many ghost stories relating to that hub of code breaking and well worth a trip if you're close enough.

Also a couple of good April fools wind up's from the Citizen local rag. Best one's were giant worms tunneling under Linford Wood (about the time that Tremors came out i think) Also, a picture of a Spitfire crashing into Willen Lake in WWII (very strange as the lake wasn't there then!)

Anyway, sorry that i haven't had time to dig out any links to the above (no idea even if there is anything on the 'net about them) but i'm trying to get a 40 page report written and answer the phone non-stop whilst checking out the vastly more interesting things on here, that's what happens when you tell your Boss it'll be fine to work from home for a bit Laughing

Anyway, check out MK for yourselves if you're close enough, it's not all concrete cows and stolen footie teams.
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PostPosted: 13-08-2014 21:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have a Shriners temple here that's a scale replica of the Taj Mahal.

I've toured it; it's quite beautiful.

Read into that what you like.

http://tripolishrine.com/

And Stu, I'd like to hear all of the above, when you get time....
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PostPosted: 15-08-2014 12:09    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was just doing a spot of idle googling to see if I could find Stu's obelisk and -- lo and behold -- there's an entire site dedicated to "Mysterious Milton Keynes".

Here's the page on landscapes, not sure how serious the author is but it's a diverting read anyway.
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Cheers for that, it was quite a laugh. Not sure about the initials MK being particularly ominous. Lucky for the Illuminate that there had been a village called Milton Keynes sitting there all along eh? Cool
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Met, for a few very long-winded pints, with an old acquaintance who is an ex-Mason. 33rd degree, Scottish Rite. I assumed once a Mason .... apparently not. What's the board's views on "retirement" from the Fraternity?
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