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PostPosted: 12-02-2002 07:58    Post subject: Flooded Kingdoms Reply with quote

Flooded Kingdoms of the Ice Age (C4 last night), presented by Graham Hancock.

Couldn't see any other thread mentioning this, so here's one for your comments.

I think it's a fascinating hypothesis, and it was reasonably presented (ie, no shock-horror tactics) by a very modest GH.

This episode focused mostly on Malta, above and below water, and the 'Bimini Road'. Intrigueing stuff.


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PostPosted: 12-02-2002 09:33    Post subject: Curses Reply with quote

Foiled again. I had been planning on watching that, and every time I saw a trailer I thought "I must remember to watch that", and instead I seem to have watched The Wedding Singer. Which I enjoyed, but I'd have preferred to have watched that. Is it a series? Will it be repeated? Smile
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PostPosted: 12-02-2002 10:15    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must admit I enjoyed the program, I found Hancocks last series a bit on the suspect side and over played, but this seemed well put together and is certainly a fascinating idea.
I was particualy impressed by the squared off cave and the arch over a channel.

Looking forward to next week!Very Happy

Quite fancy a holiday in Malta too - looks lovely
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PostPosted: 12-02-2002 15:01    Post subject: Re: Curses Reply with quote

Colin wrote:

Foiled again. I had been planning on watching that, and every time I saw a trailer I thought "I must remember to watch that", and instead I seem to have watched The Wedding Singer. Which I enjoyed, but I'd have preferred to have watched that. Is it a series? Will it be repeated? Smile


Bugger, same here.Mad
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PostPosted: 12-02-2002 15:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw it and enjoyed it.
I thought his argument that there could be important early archeological sites under water, flooded at the end of the ice age etc was perfectly reasonable and well put but I didn't see anything in the presented evidence that was conclusive and he had a bad habit of making unsubstantiated claims in such a way as to try and make them seem perfectly reasonable too ... and he lost my sympathy completely when talking about the underwater "road" in the carribbean and how thousands of tons of granite had been removed from it ..... he said the only evidence available for this was the memory of some old guy watching it happen as a kid .... but surely there would have been all sorts of paperwork etc associated with this if it were true ... ships' logs, bills of sail etc etc... it was only the twenties for god's sake ... so he ended up sounding a bit of a shyster which is unfortunate as, as i said, the basic premise seems pretty sound.
Ah well.

Rasputin tonight - first in a series about great men drawn to the "dark side" or some such. Wonder if they will do Crowley?
After Crime n Punishment.
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PostPosted: 12-02-2002 20:42    Post subject: Reply with quote

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... and he lost my sympathy completely when talking about the underwater "road" in the carribbean and how thousands of tons of granite had been removed from it ..... he said the only evidence available for this was the memory of some old guy watching it happen as a kid .... but surely there would have been all sorts of paperwork etc associated with this if it were true ... ships' logs, bills of sail etc etc... it was only the twenties for god's sake ... so he ended up sounding a bit of a shyster


Documentation might be lacking if the removal of the granite might have been construed as an illegal act.

Bimini aside, there is now ample suggestive evidence in support of Hancock's arguments. The great difficulty, of course, for institutional archaeology, is the acceptance that architectural civilisation may be much older than supposed. Livelihoods and reputations rest on accepted dogma - which is a much stronger force than any new scientific evidence that might come along to challenge it, particularly if it arises in another discipline.
It seems to me that Geology is proving to be Archaeology's great nemesis, in danger of censure for overstepping boundaries - as with the case of Boston professor Robert Schoch, who offered geological weathering evidence of the Sphinx enclosure to suggest that that structure might conceivably have been carved as long ago as 10,500BC. Similarly, geological and geo-climatological evidence now gives dates for massive sea-level changes that may account for numerous drowned cultures, siding more with ancient flood legends than with land-based archaeological chronologies.
On the whole, I believe Hancock, a non-specialist, is doing a fair job. As he said on the programme, he doesn't have the resources of the archaeological institutes, but can merely point the way as best he can. The trouble is, those institutions are resentful of a maverick investigator embarassing them in their own area of expertise - which is why they will largely try to ridicule or ignore Hancock's findings rather than go look-see for themselves. Because if even one submerged site proves to be undeniably man-made, then it clearly demands a major revision of accepted archaeological history.
Like the Schoch-West case, I suspect this one will go the same course. It will be passed over, swept aside, - another instance of Damned data - until such time, at least, until the old archaeological guard dies off and is replaced with a new paradigm constructed by fresh minds that are not so fearful or constrained in their thinking.


Incidentally, I've visited some of the sites in Malta. Well worth a visit - for these and all-round.


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Speaking of flooded kingdoms, can anyone shed any light on the legend of a lost city off the south coast of Menorca, at Son Bou? I read a tiny bit about it, but can't find anything else.

Any info gratefully received.

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PostPosted: 13-02-2002 11:01    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Hermes ... you managed to speak much more eloquently and knowledgably than myself and I agree wholeheartedly with what you say - and regarding the Maltese sites - they are fantastic and the programme made me want to go again so I would recommend a visit to anyone.
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I watched the flooded kingdoms programs and thought that Gramham Hancock had some really interesting views about the flooding, Noah's Ark and Atlantis etc, though I do find him a little shallow (no pun intended)…
I wonder if, in the next couple of episodes he'll mention the lost underwater city which has been found off the west coast of Cuba? Some more info at the address below.

http://www.andrewcollins.net/page/articles/lostcity.htm
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PostPosted: 14-02-2002 10:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

lizard23 wrote:


Rasputin tonight - first in a series about great men drawn to the "dark side" or some such. Wonder if they will do Crowley?
After Crime n Punishment.


Crowley is on next week.
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PostPosted: 18-02-2002 18:33    Post subject: Reminder Reply with quote

Hancock's programme is on again tonight, C4, 9 pm
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PostPosted: 18-02-2002 23:32    Post subject: Reply with quote

Watched part 2 tonight and he still hasn`t jumped to any wild conclsions yet! quite fasinating!

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PostPosted: 19-02-2002 09:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It seems to me that Geology is proving to be Archaeology's great nemesis, in danger of censure for overstepping boundaries - as with the case of Boston professor Robert Schoch, who offered geological weathering evidence of the Sphinx enclosure to suggest that that structure might conceivably have been carved as long ago as 10,500BC.


Just as a point of history, Professor Schoch actually believes that the weathering is consistant with 7000-8000 BCE, and the 10,500BCE is 'stretching it', especially as 10500BCE was, according to the geological record, quite cold and dry in that area.

As to the series, I saw the second one last night. Mr Hancock seems to have had something of a shakedown in is beliefs. Either that, or he's taking a new tack and keeping them to him self. Over all, I rather enjoyed the content, and was impressed with how circumspect Mr H was, although clearly excited.



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PostPosted: 19-02-2002 09:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was very sad to have missed the first in this series, but found last nights programme was very interesting and definately worth the wait. However I was very disappointed that the promised 'question and answer session' on channel4.com was cancelled at the last minute.

Incidentally.. Although I found most of the artifacts credible - I don't know if any of you clocked the 'stone slab possibley showing an example of a mysterious and ancient writing' found by the oceanographic team ??

Well I have worked extensively with samples of this type and can state that it is undeniabley an example of the trace fossil 'Thalassynoides' (which are fossilised remnants of burrows made by crustaceans) and not a man-made script at all !!

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......It seems to me that Geology is proving to be Archaeology's great nemesis........
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The Question & Answers for the Flooded Kingdoms etc… is going to take place next week after the final program. According the Graham Hancock (he posted a thread on his message board) he was recording the commentary for the final program and he totally forgot about the web chat though he did apologise. Just in case you want to go there, the address is…
www.grahamhancock.com
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