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PostPosted: 07-11-2009 18:21    Post subject: THE COMING RACE? Reply with quote

High style controversy from author Dan Green who has studied both Tibetan buddhism and the neurological mystery of autism for over twenty years;
www.ellisctaylor.com/cjthecomingrace.html
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PostPosted: 07-11-2009 20:11    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funnily enough, I just read this yesterday and wondered if people who are into a special branch of something see the world and all answers to mysteries from their viewpoint only?
Now instead of new people being autistic, this text [very much further down], claims that humanity is turning into Psychopaths [makes for interesting reading regardless, it mentions indigo children and how they might all be psychopaths hehe].

http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath.htm

I also wonder, people who are into artifical intelligence might have evidence that we are all being programmed, others, who are completely gaga, might think that trange behaviour results from being posessed by aliens etc etc etc....
Rolling Eyes

However, somewhere, they are all [apart from the reptile brigade] right and wrong. They should all talk to each other.
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PostPosted: 07-11-2009 22:11    Post subject: coming race Reply with quote

. a thoughful reply, Dingo, and keep the humour - we need it! At least you may be of the opinion that at least SOMETHING is going on. When people all across the globe who had never met where having identical 'alien abduction' experiences and didn't believe in UFO's...I wondered if the human race where slowly being infiltrated by a global mental illness we knew nothing of, before realising its just a spin off from the incoming consciousness changes and was most probably a form of enforced epilepsy.

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PostPosted: 08-11-2009 03:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was most interested in many of the comments and links given in this subject...

There was a Dutch psychiatrist named Bernard Lievergood, awarded the Golden Quill Award, who, along with others, including much earlier, Rudolph Steiner (early in the 20th Century), highlighted the impact that electronic media was having on young children, often exposed to hours of input.

Steiner had said the exposure of people to excessive EMR fields would make 'them dumb' and result in sclerosis - ie limit their skills socially and perhaps have pathological impacts... interestingly he also warned never to feed cows meat as it would drive them mad.

Lievergood spoke of measurable changes in the brain's neurology which were resulting in a separation of feeling, empathy and will. He felt that children under 9 years absorb information like sponges. But the young mind does not have the capacity to filter out information and differentiate reality from the virtual at a deeper level.

Computer exposure is also of concern as it impacts on intuitive thinking and programs the child to think sequentially. Computers in the Human Context - edited by Tom Forrester - Hubert and Stuart Dreyfus Chapter 4 Minds and Machines: The AI debate-

Lievergood said this ERM exposure was leading to an increasing section of subsequent generations who would, for example, film someone drowning but not offer assistance. Interestingly EMR fields also have a relationship to depression.

An example of this was at a small public event, a person was singing and the child next to me turned to her parent and said "Turn her off Mommy."

In the silicon valley there is a dramatic increase in the percentage of people with autism and it was found many of their parents had Asberger's. It was found that many with Asberger's, my daughter included, have an incredible capacity for mathematics, but problems arise when they meet someone else in the same field and then have an increased likelihood of a child with autism.

Luckily my daughter is happily married to a carpenter.

Felicity
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PostPosted: 08-11-2009 04:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not at all sure that confusing high energy electromagnetic fields and an individual's solitary absorption in the content of electronic media is a good idea. They may be two quite separate and only distantly related things. I do have anecdotal evidence, that sitting in the metallic Faraday cages, created by the radio hut of ships, surrounded by high tension radio equipment, had a reputation for slightly fritzing the brains of radio operators. However, even there, the necessary isolation and long hours of concentration, by smart people (radio operator being a highly responsible and technically skilled job), reputed to read books and generally indulge in other intellectually anti-social activities, may have been to blame.
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PostPosted: 08-11-2009 07:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Pietro,

I was surprised as you to find the Electromagnetic fields 2 meters from a television were the same as standing under a 275 KV power line.

The reading was 5 milligauss- research done in this field indicated the fields to be concerned about lie between 2-10 milligauss... the readings were similar to computer monitors- the situation for children is aggravated by use after 4pm and also in classrooms in back to back situations. The clock/radios next to beds also have a large field.

A childs cells are far more active during rapid growth and their arms much shorter- so not only do they breath in more toxic free radicals, which accumulate and are ionised in the field around the computer, their immune system is compromised.

Unfortunately safety standards are based on short term industrial exposure not long term exposure. Also the fields generated in the lower distribution networks was still within this range at 10 meters from domestic supply lines.

I was asked by a regional hospital to conduct a survey due to a cancer cluster in their area- It was near high voltage power-lines but also a substation... the high voltage power-lines do encourage a corona effect but the survey indicated the cluster around the substation was due to incoming domestic lines in higher concentration.

There is established research to the effect that exposure to computers after 4 pm has a serious impact on melatonin levels. This is particularly important as it impacts on the child's sleep quality, also melatonin is a very important oncogenic agent, cleaning up mutated cells that form during the course of the day.

This does not relate to the autistic issue but is another side effect of too much time spent in a virtual world with limited opportunity to learn social coping mechanisms and the research into pathological changes is worth considering.

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PostPosted: 08-11-2009 07:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

Relating to autism and EMR fields, an interesting article

www.buergerwelle.de/pdf/emr_autism_acnem_final_1.pdf

Felicity- so maybe the aliens are here, we already worship them- technology and the virtual world!
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PostPosted: 08-11-2009 10:52    Post subject: Re: THE COMING RACE? Reply with quote

spearjig1 wrote:
High style controversy from author Dan Green who has studied both Tibetan buddhism and the neurological mystery of autism for over twenty years;


Dan Green being you, IIRC - not a criticism as such, but that may be worth pointing out when you're posting, as citing yourself can lead to a credibility gap.

Felicity wrote:
It was found that many with Asberger's, my daughter included, have an incredible capacity for mathematics,


Some with Asperger's (with a "p") Syndrome, not many. It's one of the oft-repeated myths, like all people who have autism have some wild savantic talent. The spectrum does often make those who have it quite systematic in their behaviour, so many find dealing with things that have predictable and consistent causes and effects a more comfortable environment, and as a result tend to gravitate in that direction - but that doesn't infer an innate "incredible capacity".

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...but problems arise when they meet someone else in the same field and then have an increased likelihood of a child with autism.


That's a new one on me - have you any sources to back that up?
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PostPosted: 08-11-2009 16:59    Post subject: coming race Reply with quote

Stunneville. friend. point taken,apologies to those who are unaware that spearjig = callum jensen = Dan Green...I often refer to myself in such a casual way and most on this forum are aware of that!
Anyway - delighted to see some excellent commentary and effort going into the topic. I honestly believe that all we have to do is sit back and watch the new generation of Aspies being born, what their talents will be and where it will take us, as the neurology of the PWA is beginning to refine. We need to remove ourselves from the Dark Ages of declaring these kids are 'suffering' and are 'trapped in their own nightmare world'. If they do suffer in any way, its because of the 'normal' folks lack of concerted understanding of the persons with alternative brain wiring. I do, of course, believe it is Evolution providing the alternative wiring and in this respect have the support of a well known expert on autism who agrees with me personally but can't disclose public as they receive funding to effect a 'cure'.
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PostPosted: 09-11-2009 03:34    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the spelling correction Stuneville,

I hear your point, but should point out my daughter is no savant, but you may find this interesting...

www.autismresearchcentre.com/docs/papers/1998_BCetal_Maths.pdf

Often children with autism have little opportunity to have their talents realised. A classic example is a 11 year old girl I know, labelled as uncooperative, high function autistic- she told me- they have her in a class with children with disabilities- Down's etc, and they had to fold paper to a basic design- she did a really complex one, and the teacher patronisingly said, how lovely dear, how did you do it? She relied 'Because I am 3 times as intelligent as you stupid!" and was punished.

Interestingly she shared with me the fact- on the day Steve Irwin died," Didn't I feel the vibrations in the air? and surely he would have know he was taking a risk trying to be with aggressive animals on that particular day?'... also, she shared with me the connections with other realities, people other people can't see, which is why, as a child she banged her head to try and block 'all the stuff out'.

So maybe they are part of a new evolutionary phase- maybe this is why some are intolerant of all the duel messages and hypocrisy that surrounds them... my daughter interestingly also was sensitive to 'vibrations', at about 3 she'd start the day by opening the door and waving her hand vigorously and tell me what the weather was going to do for the day- she also played with imaginary friends doing quite complex 'rituals'...

She was labelled backward because she could not read much until 7 years, and was dreading law as part of engineering but then told me it had turned out to be easier once she had realised reading 'was all patterns'. Even in Year 10 her teacher said she wouldn't be able to do Year 12 maths- yet, once at University- she did 4th year maths in 1st year and got High Distinctions.

So often we make assumptions based on our standards of what is normal- many people who don't fall in that range have amazing stories to tell you when you are really prepared to listen and not judge.

Felicity
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PostPosted: 09-11-2009 09:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

Felicity wrote:
Thanks for the spelling correction Stuneville,


Pedantry is just one of my vast array of anti-social habits Smile.

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I hear your point, but should point out my daughter is no savant, but you may find this interesting...

www.autismresearchcentre.com/docs/papers/1998_BCetal_Maths.pdf

Thank you for that - I wasn't doubting you. I've read an awful lot of autism and Asperger's research (my son has autism), I just hadn't come across this particular piece before.

And I agree, people on the spectrum do have a distinct and unique slant on what they see and feel, that's too easily dismissed.

As to whether or not it's an evolutionary stage (as has been argued), a lot would depend on whether actual cases are on the rise, or in fact the rate has remained constant but diagnostics have changed.
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PostPosted: 09-11-2009 20:44    Post subject: coming race Reply with quote

Stuneville, my friend,
I can tell you that cases ARE on the rise, even allowing for better diagnostic criteria..the latter is the 'get out' clause for the neurologists not wanting to have to come up with an explanation for the rise. As Dan Green, I think I've provided it. sooner or later everyone will either have an Aspie in their own family or will know someone who has - maybe put that to the test right now!
It's a little similar to the experts failing to explain the global rise in asthmatics - that's easy, and the governments won't want to answer that one...the world is running out of oxygen. Oh dear, I feel another feature coming on..
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PostPosted: 09-11-2009 20:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats it! The Rothschilds are cornering the worlds oxygen supply!
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PostPosted: 12-11-2009 21:27    Post subject: coming race Reply with quote

..gasp!
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PostPosted: 13-11-2009 00:56    Post subject: Re: coming race Reply with quote

spearjig1 wrote:
Stuneville, my friend,
I can tell you that cases ARE on the rise, even allowing for better diagnostic criteria..the latter is the 'get out' clause for the neurologists not wanting to have to come up with an explanation for the rise. As Dan Green, I think I've provided it. sooner or later everyone will either have an Aspie in their own family or will know someone who has - maybe put that to the test right now!
It's a little similar to the experts failing to explain the global rise in asthmatics - that's easy, and the governments won't want to answer that one...the world is running out of oxygen. Oh dear, I feel another feature coming on..

You'll be able to back up those statements with some proof, facts, references, or links, of course.

Or, is it just something you KNOW? confused
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