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uair01 Great Old One Joined: 12 Apr 2005 Total posts: 1088 Gender: Male |
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| Quote: | It appears that both were indeed born when the tide was coming in.
Make of it what you will! |
This morning I read the following in Frazer's "Golden Bough":
| Quote: | | In Portugal, all along the coast of Wales, and on some parts of the coast of Brittany, a belief is said to prevail that people are born when the tide comes in, and die when it goes out. Dickens attests the existence of the same superstition in England. People can't die, along the coast, said Mr. Pegotty, except when the tide's pretty nigh out. They can't be born, unless it's pretty nigh in, not properly born till flood. |
Make of it what you will!  |
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| 586FAC75 Yeti Joined: 24 Jun 2006 Total posts: 45 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 14-09-2006 21:52 Post subject: |
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| Mulder1800 wrote: | | There's no shame in being a police officer, you guys do a job that is very hard and to me nearly impossible, I have full respect for the police services and always will. |
*Blush* Thanks, but as I said, it's something I don't like to talk about when of duty...It's amazing the amount of people who instantly don't like you for doing a certain job!
Anyhows....
I was chatting to some "more experienced" officers today and I recieved grunts of agreement. As far as they were concerned it was old news. |
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| OldTimeRadio Great Old One Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Total posts: 5539 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio USA Age: 71 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 16-09-2006 12:41 Post subject: |
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| glamour_dust wrote: | I had a fairly strange experience with the full moon.
My mother always said that exposure to the light of the full moon was bad, that it could give you a stroke and pregnant women should avoid it. Although she claimed to have known a woman who suffered a deforming stroke due to moonlight, I never quite believed her and considered it all "old talk." One full moon night I pulled dark curtains in front my window as usual and went to sleep. I woke up a little after midnight, feeling really sick in a weird way. Sort of nauseous, headachy, sore - a sickness that seemed to originate in my stomach and emanate throughout my body. I lay in bed with my eyes closed wondering why I felt so very strange and wishing I could go back to sleep. Finally I decided to open my eyes, and shining directly into my pupils was the light of the full moon. I could see it glowing brightly through a space where the curtain had shifted away from my window. It's light seemed to beat down on me and somehow I knew that it was making me feel really ill. I lay there for almost five minutes before I was able to move weakly to the window and adjust the curtain to block out the moonlight. As I lay back down I slowly started to feel better until gradually I returned to normal. I didn't even sleep immediately but just lay there wondering how moonlight could seemingly have such an effect on me. I have no idea what happened to me or why but even now I won't allow the moon to shine directly on me as I go to sleep for fear of feeling weird again. I've chalked it up to one of life's mysterious rules that I just have to follow.  |
I've long been interested in this matter of the danger of sleeping in the rays of the moon, which I first encountered in an article in a men's magazine at age 14 (it was in February or March, 1956, to be exact).
One of the cases mentioned in that article, a storywhich I've also come across a couple of times since, was the yarn of a French army patrol which rested overnight, tentless, directly beneath the full moon. Some of the men covered their faces with hankerchiefs, but others slept with the lunar rays striking their heads. In the morning only those soldiers who'd covered their faces were still alive. All the others were dead.
I've never seen any documentation or additional evidence for this one, which may be nothing more than an old French army legend. But is there anyone who can fill in some of the informational gaps here?
EDIT - I just realized that I'd posted this same information here several months ago. Well, now you know, my postings are the work of a senile and forgetful old man. Either that or I STILL want information on this topic. |
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| H_James Ancient Cow (&)
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| Posted: 16-09-2006 18:29 Post subject: |
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| I don't know if I've noted this before, but a friend who's a nurse in an ER in America thinks that it's indisputably true. |
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| OldTimeRadio Great Old One Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Total posts: 5539 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio USA Age: 71 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 17-09-2006 00:32 Post subject: |
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| H_James wrote: | | I don't know if I've noted this before, but a friend who's a nurse in an ER in America thinks that it's indisputably true. |
As I've noted here previously it tends to be only ivory tower academics who deny that the full moon can affect human behavior. Ward nurses (especially psych nurses), hospital psychiatrists, cops, nite club comedians, cabbies and so forth hold other ideas entirely. |
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| sunsplash1 Fortean and Proud
cognitively purposefuly I Joined: 09 Jan 2004 Total posts: 2074 Location: The Hills, overlooking a smallish antipodean city in South Australia Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 17-09-2006 05:36 Post subject: |
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| OldTimeRadio wrote: | | H_James wrote: | | I don't know if I've noted this before, but a friend who's a nurse in an ER in America thinks that it's indisputably true. |
As I've noted here previously it tends to be only ivory tower academics who deny that the full moon can affect human behavior. Ward nurses (especially psych nurses), hospital psychiatrists, cops, nite club comedians, cabbies and so forth hold other ideas entirely. |
Its a commonly held folk myth, and has probably more to do with the observer noticing the full moon and then paying attention to what is going on in their immediate environment:
Lots of research into a possible connection has been done. The most notable,
http://fampra.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/17/6/472
Which is a great piece of meta analysis...
And I really like Iosif & Ballon's Bad Moon Rising
http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/173/12/1498
Which is a nice bit of research...
A relative of mine, who works with a complaints organisation, cannot be un-convinced of the alleged connection.
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| H_James Ancient Cow (&)
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| Posted: 17-09-2006 15:57 Post subject: |
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| sunsplash1 wrote: |
Its a commonly help folk myth, and has probably more to do with the observer noticing the full moon and then paying attention to what is going on in their immediate environment:
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A relative of mine, who works with a complaints organisation, cannot be un-convinced of the alleged connection. |
Why are those studies necessarily more valid than the "commonly held folk myth", and why unconvince them? Maybe they're right. |
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| OldTimeRadio Great Old One Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Total posts: 5539 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio USA Age: 71 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 18-09-2006 01:07 Post subject: |
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| sunsplash1 wrote: | | Its a commonly help folk myth, and has probably more to do with the observer noticing the full moon and then paying attention to what is going on in their immediate environment: |
Sorry, I can't accept this without impugning the observational skills of psych ward RNs, let alone veteran street cops on the firing line.
If cops only pay attention to their surroundings during times of the full moon we are all in real trouble....and the cops themselves are in WORSE.
Once again, pragmatic knowledge trumps theoretical. |
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| OldTimeRadio Great Old One Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Total posts: 5539 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio USA Age: 71 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 19-09-2006 06:30 Post subject: |
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| This prediliction to summarily dismiss and then ridicule the eyewitness testimonies of clinical psychiatrists and psychologists, psych nurses, street cops and the like cannot help but remind me that for CENTURIES never-go-near-the-sea oceanic experts denied that "rogue waves" could even possibly exist and assured the world that the thousands of sailors and travellers who claimed that they'd personally encountered such waves were nothing more than big fat liars. |
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| painy2 Thar she blows
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| Posted: 06-11-2006 22:38 Post subject: |
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I work for the Ambulance service, and I can guarentee you 100% that full moons have an effect on a certain group of people.
Every full moon we are run off our feet by people having psychiatric episodes, some include overdose's, some include assaults and some are just very strange behaviour.
But trust me, it is no coincidence. |
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| Pietro_Mercurios Heuristically Challenged
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| Posted: 23-01-2007 16:00 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_technology/article2171687.ece
How the Moon rules your life
At last, scientists claim to have found a link between our satellite and human behaviour - like how it governs the size of your dinner By Roger Dobson
Published: 21 January 2007
For eons, folklore has blamed the Moon for everything from lunacy to bad luck. And, for the last few centuries, scientists have scoffed. Now, according to new research they're not so sure. The Moon may not be made of cheese, but it seems to influence a lot more down on Earth than we previously thought.
According to new research, the Moon affects not only the tides of the oceans but also people, producing a range of symptoms from flare-ups of gout to bladder problems. It may even lie behind the causes of car crashes and affect people's hormonal balances.
Having carried out new research and reviewed 50 other studies, scientists suggest that doctors and the police even need to prepare for how their work rate will increase at different points in the lunar cycle. Among the findings examined by the researchers were studies that showed GP consultations go up during a full moon, according to Leeds University. Appointments rise by 3.6 per cent, which works out at around three extra patients for each surgery. The researchers did not speculate on the nature of the moon-related problems or why they happened, but said that "it does not seem to be related to anxiety and depression".
Gout and asthma attacks peak during new and full moons, according to work carried out at the Slovak Institute of Preventive and Clinical Medicine in Bratislava, where attacks over a 22-year period were monitored.
Data from 140,000 births in New York City showed small but systematic variations in births over a period of 29.53 days - the length of the lunar cycle - with peak fertility in the last quarter. "The timing of the fertility peak in the third quarter suggests that the period of decreasing illumination immediately after the full moon may precipitate ovulation.''
A study in Florida of murders and aggravated assaults showed clusters of attacks around the full moon. A second study of three police areas found the incidence of crimes committed on full-moon days was much higher than on all other days. And a four-year study into car accidents found that the lowest number happened during the full-moon day, while the highest number was two days before the full moon. Accidents were more frequent during the waxing than the waning phase.
Another study of some 800 patients with urinary retention admitted to hospital over a period of three years found higher retention during the new moon compared with other phases of the cycle. Interestingly, patients didn't show any other daily, monthly or seasonal rhythms in their retention problems.
Even what we eat and drink is affected by the lunar cycle, according to a study at Georgia State University. Researchers looked at lunar variations in nutrient intakes and the meal patterns of 694 adults. They concluded: "A small but significant lunar rhythm of nutrient intake was observed with an 8 per cent increase in meal size and a 26 per cent decrease in alcohol intake at the time of the full moon relative to the new moon.''
While scientists have been trying to prove for some time that the Moon does exert an effect, what has not been established is why. Scientists have until now examined the theory that the Moon triggers changes through its gravitational pull. But the latest research points to an effect on people's hormones. "The lunar cycle has an impact on human reproduction, in particular fertility, menstruation and birth rate. Other events associated with human behaviour, such as traffic accidents, crimes, and suicides, appeared to be influenced by the lunar cycle,'' said Dr Michael Zimecki of the Polish Academy of Sciences.
"Although the exact mechanism of the Moon's influence on humans and animals awaits further exploration, knowledge of this kind of biorhythm may be helpful in police surveillance and medical practice,'' he said.
The researchers also found links between the lunar cycle and the likelihood of people being admitted to hospital with heart or bladder problems and with diarrhoea. The menstrual cycle, fertility, spontaneous abortions and thyroid disease were also affected. Just how the Moon could have an effect needs further research. Dr Zimecki suggests that it may be the effect of the Moon's gravity on immune systems, hormones and steroids.
He said: "At this stage of investigation, the exact mechanism of the lunar effect on the immune response is hard to explain. The prime candidates to exert regulatory function on the immune response are melatonin and steroids, whose levels are affected by the Moon cycle.
"It is suggested that melatonin and endogenous steroids [which are naturally occurring in humans] may mediate the described cyclic alterations of physiological processes. Electromagnetic radiation and/or the gravitational pull of the Moon may trigger the release of hormones.''
Whatever the root cause of the Moon's influence over us, its hold over the imagination will endure as long as the shining sphere of rock remains in the sky.
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| OldTimeRadio Great Old One Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Total posts: 5539 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio USA Age: 71 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 24-01-2007 03:59 Post subject: |
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| This particular debate is going to go on forever, with never quite enough evidence to convince the Skeptics but always more than enough to satisfy the rest of us. |
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| many_angled_one Haunter of the Dark Joined: 18 Jan 2002 Total posts: 439 Location: Glasgow, Scotland Gender: Male |
| Posted: 24-01-2007 14:42 Post subject: |
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I have always just put it down to the incidince of heightened light levels at night.
The same scientists that dismiss the effect of the Full Moon will accept SAD disorders, Seasonal Affective Disorder where moods are lowered at winter due to the lack of sunlight etc.
I have always assumed it is similar but with a different area of the brain, specifically that the light of a full moon heightens the "Fight or flight" mechanism of the brain affectign behavious somewhat amongst some people.
It would make sense from an evolutionary viewpoint that animals, and us would be programmed to be more jumpy on nights with a full moon when night predators have a much greater advantage than on any other night. |
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| 586FAC75 Yeti Joined: 24 Jun 2006 Total posts: 45 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 05-06-2007 18:39 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Tuesday, 5 June 2007 - Crackdown on lunar-fuelled crime
Extra police officers are to patrol the streets of Brighton on nights when there is a full moon.
It follows research by the Sussex force which concluded there was a rise in violent incidents when the moon was full - and also on paydays.
Insp Andy Parr said he compared crime statistics for Brighton and Hove with lunar graphs to discover the trend.
Source: BBC News http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/6723911.stm |
I like the collation of more violence on full moons...and, uh...paydays. |
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| ghostdog19 |
| Posted: 05-06-2007 23:11 Post subject: |
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| OldTimeRadio wrote: | | This prediliction to summarily dismiss and then ridicule the eyewitness testimonies of clinical psychiatrists and psychologists, psych nurses, street cops and the like cannot help but remind me that for CENTURIES never-go-near-the-sea oceanic experts denied that "rogue waves" could even possibly exist and assured the world that the thousands of sailors and travellers who claimed that they'd personally encountered such waves were nothing more than big fat liars. |
not the same. |
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