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sherbetbizarre Great Old One Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Total posts: 1418 Gender: Male |
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| JamesWhitehead Piffle Prospector Joined: 02 Aug 2001 Total posts: 5779 Location: Manchester, UK Gender: Male |
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| BlackRiverFalls I wear a fez now.
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And who can imagine what that feels like, kids?  |
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| gncxx King-Size Canary
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| Posted: 17-11-2012 19:38 Post subject: |
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Wasn't sure whether to put this here or in the WTF? thread, but check out the Children Medieval Band:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqpRoVxH2jc
Heard about this on 6 Music this morning and it's every bit as weird as they said. The drummer! |
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| Mythopoeika Boring petty conservative
Joined: 18 Sep 2001 Total posts: 9109 Location: Not far from Bedford Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 17-11-2012 20:02 Post subject: |
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| gncxx wrote: | Wasn't sure whether to put this here or in the WTF? thread, but check out the Children Medieval Band:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqpRoVxH2jc
Heard about this on 6 Music this morning and it's every bit as weird as they said. The drummer! |
Those kids are awesome! Excellent find.  |
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| JamesWhitehead Piffle Prospector Joined: 02 Aug 2001 Total posts: 5779 Location: Manchester, UK Gender: Male |
| Posted: 18-11-2012 21:13 Post subject: |
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Somebody has posted the whole of Sorabji's Opus Clavicembalisticum on YouTube in John Ogdon's recording. That is to say the whole damn four hours and forty-seven minutes of it:
Sorabji's Opus Clavicembalisticum NSFW!
You may consider that a bit excessive but the poster has chosen to illustrate it with a photograph of some old bloke's fatal misadventure with giant dildos!
Maybe sitting through the piece will leave your bum sore but that has to be one of the oddest things on Youtube. Needless to say, some of the comments express puzzlement and annoyance. Those of a squeamish disposition had better not look! 
edit: "Fatal" in place of "Sexual" misadventure, since viewers may need warning of the post-mortem nature of the photograph. |
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| ramonmercado Psycho Punk
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| Posted: 19-11-2012 13:30 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Brain scans of rappers shed light on creativity
http://www.nature.com/news/brain-scans-of-rappers-shed-light-on-creativity-1.11835
Functional magnetic resonance imaging shows what happens in the brain during improvisation.
Daniel Cressey
15 November 2012
Open Mike Eagle, one of the authors of the latest study, performs on Knocksteady TV.
Rappers making up rhymes on the fly while in a brain scanner have provided an insight into the creative process.
Freestyle rapping — in which a performer improvises a song by stringing together unrehearsed lyrics — is a highly prized skill in hip hop. But instead of watching a performance in a club, Siyuan Liu and Allen Braun, neuroscientists at the US National Institute on Deafness and Other Communication Disorders in Bethesda, Maryland, and their colleagues had 12 rappers freestyle in a functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) machine.
The artists also recited a set of memorized lyrics chosen by the researchers. By comparing the brain scans from rappers taken during freestyling to those taken during the rote recitation, they were able to see which areas of the brain are used during improvisation. The study is published today in Scientific Reports1.
The results parallel previous imaging studies in which Braun and Charles Limb, a doctor and musician at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland, looked at fMRI scans from jazz musicians2. Both sets of artists showed lower activity in part of their frontal lobes called the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex during improvisation, and increased activity in another area, called the medial prefrontal cortex. The areas that were found to be ‘deactivated’ are associated with regulating other brain functions.
“We think what we see is a relaxation of ‘executive functions’ to allow more natural de-focused attention and uncensored processes to occur that might be the hallmark of creativity,” says Braun.
He adds that this suggestion is “a little bit controversial in the literature”, because some studies have found activation of the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex in creative behaviour. He suggests that the discrepancy might have to do with the tasks chosen to represent creativity. In studies that found activation, the activities — such as those that require recall — may actually be less creative.
“We try to stick with more natural creative processing, and when we do that we see this decrease in the dorsal lateral regions,” says Braun.
Pump down the volume
Rex Jung, a clinical neuropsychologist at the University of New Mexico in Albuquerque, has also studied the link between brain structures and creativity, finding an inverse relationship between the volume of some frontal lobe structures and creativity3. “Some of our results imply this downregulation of the frontal lobes in service of creative cognition. [The latest paper] really appears to pull it all together,” he says. “I’m excited about the findings.”
Jung says that this downregulation is likely to apply in other, non-musical areas of creativity — including science.
The findings also suggest an explanation for why new music might seem to the artist to be created of its own accord. With less involvement by the lateral prefrontal regions of the brain, the performance could seem to its creator to have “occurred outside of conscious awareness”, the authors write.
Michael Eagle, a study co-author who raps under the name Open Mike Eagle, agrees: “That’s kind of the nature of that type of improvisation. Even as people who do it, we’re not 100% sure of where we’re getting improvisation from.”
Liu says that the researchers are now working on problems they were unable to explore with freestylers — such as what happens after the initial burst of creative inspiration.
"We think that the creative process may be divided into two phases," he says. "The first is the spontaneous improvisatory phase. In this phase you can generate novel ideas. We think there is a second phase, some kind of creative processing [in] revision."
The researchers would also like to look at how creativity differs between experts and amateurs of a similar artistic ilk to freestylers: poets and storytellers.
Nature doi:10.1038/nature.2012.11835
References
Liu, S., et al. Sci. Rep. http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/srep00834 (2012).
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Limb, C. J. & Braun, A. R. PLoS ONE 3, e1679 (2008).
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Jung, R. E., Grazioplene, R., Caprihan, A., Chavez, R. S. & Haier, R. J. PLoS ONE 5, e9818 (2010).
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| gncxx King-Size Canary
Great Old One Joined: 25 Aug 2001 Total posts: 13561 Location: Eh? Gender: Male |
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Maybe should have put this in Notes and Queries, but I'll see if anyone here knows what I'm on about. There was a "song", or a piece of music, I heard on John Walters' show Walters' Weekly back in the 1980s which consisted of the "musician" "playing" his body parts.
So what you heard was a lot of slapping and knocking, along with - and this is what was so memorable - farting. But no singing, oddly. Must have been from the 70s, but does anyone know what that might have been? |
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| escargot1 Joined: 24 Aug 2001 Total posts: 17896 Location: Farkham Hall Age: 4 Gender: Female |
| Posted: 30-09-2013 18:44 Post subject: |
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The great John Otway - Body Talk!  |
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| HenryFort Bad Craziness - Wide Asleep at the Wheel
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| Posted: 30-09-2013 19:16 Post subject: |
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| gncxx wrote: | Maybe should have put this in Notes and Queries, but I'll see if anyone here knows what I'm on about. There was a "song", or a piece of music, I heard on John Walters' show Walters' Weekly back in the 1980s which consisted of the "musician" "playing" his body parts.
So what you heard was a lot of slapping and knocking, along with - and this is what was so memorable - farting. But no singing, oddly. Must have been from the 70s, but does anyone know what that might have been? |
bobby mcferrin ? although i think he drew the line ... |
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| JamesWhitehead Piffle Prospector Joined: 02 Aug 2001 Total posts: 5779 Location: Manchester, UK Gender: Male |
| Posted: 30-09-2013 20:04 Post subject: |
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I had clean forgotten about that Youtube posting of Sorabji's marathon work accompanied by a photograph I described but - understandably - never saved!
Now it has been removed from Youtube. Did anyone ever click on that link?
It was possibly the most surreal combination I have ever seen - no indication it was intended as parody.  |
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| gncxx King-Size Canary
Great Old One Joined: 25 Aug 2001 Total posts: 13561 Location: Eh? Gender: Male |
| Posted: 01-10-2013 22:44 Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the replies, it was more likely to be John Otway than Bobby McFerrin (!), but from what I recall it wasn't a proper song, it was more an experimental piece, no lyrics, just slapping and farting. |
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| sherbetbizarre Great Old One Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Total posts: 1418 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 02-10-2013 01:12 Post subject: |
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It may have been track 1 on Roger Waters & Ron Geeson's Music From The Body
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOXcHI36Otk
It's the soundtrack to a very "of-the-time" 70's documentary finally coming out on DVD next week:
Amazon
So I guess my old pre-cert video is no longer worth anything!
| Quote: | Made in 1970, this remarkable study of the human body is neither scientific nor medical; it is, rather, a deeply intimate feature-length film exploring the physical experience of being human.
Narrated by Vanessa Redgrave and Frank Finlay with a commentary by poet and playwright Adrian Mitchell, The Body traces the human life-cycle from conception to death. Photographic techniques never seen by cinema audiences at the time of release - including the use of internal cameras - allow an unprecedented insight into the body's functions; these visuals are beautifully complemented by a soundtrack by Pink Floyd's Roger Waters and pioneering composer Ron Geesin, incorporating the latter's experiments in biomusic - in this case, sounds created by the human body itself. |
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| gncxx King-Size Canary
Great Old One Joined: 25 Aug 2001 Total posts: 13561 Location: Eh? Gender: Male |
| Posted: 02-10-2013 17:56 Post subject: |
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That's it! What an amazing coincidence I was reminded of it the week before it's out on DVD! I'd forgotten there was a piano on the track, but otherwise it's just as I recalled, farting and all.
Thanks, SB! Might have to get that DVD... |
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| Mythopoeika Boring petty conservative
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| Posted: 02-10-2013 20:22 Post subject: |
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| I used to work with a guy who collaborated with Ron Geesin on his Tune Tube project, 22 years ago... |
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