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PostPosted: 18-05-2008 23:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

The city of Troy was a myth until it was found
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And while Schliemann probably went through it by accident he seems to have been in the right place.....

I can recommend Peter Ackroyd's The Fall of Troy.

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PostPosted: 06-03-2010 09:43    Post subject: Reply with quote

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..according to Tudor Parfitt, a real life scholar-adventurer, Raiders of the Lost Ark had it wrong, and the Ark is actually nowhere near Egypt. In fact, Parfitt claims he has traced it (or a replacement container for the original Ark), to a dusty bottom shelf in a museum in Harare, Zimbabwe.

Long article about the Lemba:

Lost Jewish tribe 'found in Zimbabwe'
By Steve Vickers
BBC News, Harare

The Lemba people are easy to distinguish from most other Zimbabweans - they wear skull caps, pray in a language which is a mixture of Hebrew and Arabic, and put the Star of David on their gravestones.

Their oral traditions claim that their ancestors were Jews who fled the Holy Land about 2,500 years ago.

It may sound like another myth of a lost tribe of Israel, but British scientists have carried out DNA tests which confirm their Semitic origin.

These tests back up the group's belief that a group of perhaps seven men married African women and settled on the continent.

And they also have a prized religious artefact that they say connects them to their Jewish ancestry - a replica of the Biblical Ark of the Covenant known as the ngoma lungundu, meaning "the drum that thunders".

The object went on display recently at a Harare museum to much fanfare, and instilled pride in many of the Lemba.

"For me it's the starting point," says religious singer Fungisai Zvakavapano-Mashavave.

"Very few people knew about us and this is the time to come out. I'm very proud to realise that we have a rich culture and I'm proud to be a Lemba.

"We have been a very secretive people, because we believe we are a special people."

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The oral traditions of the Lemba say that the ngoma lungundu is the Biblical wooden Ark made by Moses, and that centuries ago a small group of men began a long journey carrying it from Yemen to southern Africa.

The object went missing during the 1970s and was eventually rediscovered in Harare in 2007 by Mr Parfitt.

"Many people say that the story is far-fetched, but the oral traditions of the Lemba have been backed up by science," he says.

Carbon dating shows the ngoma to be nearly 700 years old - pretty ancient, if not as old as Bible stories would suggest.

But Mr Parfitt says this is because the ngoma was used in battles, and would explode and be rebuilt.

The ngoma now on display was a replica, he says, possibly built from the remains of the original.

"So it's the closest descendant of the Ark that we know of," Mr Parfitt says.

Large crowds came to see the unveiling of the ngoma and to attend lectures on the identity of the Lemba.

For David Maramwidze, an elder in his village, the discovery of the ngoma has been a defining moment.

"Hearing from those professors in Harare and seeing the ngoma makes it clear that we are a great people and I'm very proud," he says.

"I heard about it all my life and it was hard for me to believe, because I had no idea of what it really is.

"I'm still seeing the picture of the ngoma in my mind and it will never come out from my brain. Now we want it to be given back to the Lemba people."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8550614.stm
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PostPosted: 13-03-2010 20:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can recommend the book by Tudor Parfitt. Very exciting reading and well documented. Almost unbeliveable it was written by a professor of semitic languages (or something like that). Very Happy
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PostPosted: 17-03-2010 04:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't the logical place for the "lost" Ark to be is in Ethiopia?

Wouldn't the best place to hide the Ark away from the Babylonians have been across a saltwater sea, high up in nearly-impregnable mountain fastnesses, guarded by fierce warriors who were also loyal and observant Jews and who would have willingly given their lives to protect it?
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Hi all

Its been 'found' again - in Yemen and is now protected by at least six SAM surface-to-air missile launchers.

http://www.henrymakow.com/gods_iphone_ark_of_the_covenan.html

Apparently, its in the still unexcavated palace of the Queen of Sheba.

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PostPosted: 27-08-2010 06:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

This time, it's turned up in Ethiopia:

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Famed Russian explorer shown Ark of Covenant

The world-famous Russian traveler and explorer Fyodor Konyukhov has become the first European to see the Ark of the Covenant where the stone tablets with the Ten Commandments communicated to Moses by God on Mount Sinai are believed to have been put.

The Ark is in an Orthodox church in Axum, the ancient capital of Ethiopia. Konykhov, who arrived in Africa at the request of the Ethiopian government to map out new tourist routes, has struck a deal with the authorities for the construction of an Orthodox Church of St. George-the-Victor in Addis Ababa.

An extensive traveler, he has made six solo yacht trips round the globe, climbed the Earth’s highest peaks, reached the North and South poles and circumnavigated Antarctica, before being ordained an Orthodox deacon a few months ago.


http://english.ruvr.ru/2010/08/26/17334491.html
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I've met Fyodor Konyukhov! He spent long periods in Falmouth with one of his boats, and once left his cap in the chandlery where I worked.

So I guess that puts me one degree of separation from the Ark of the Covenant - cool! Cool
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Off topic but - I must admit I had to google "chandlery" - I had no idea what it was!
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PostPosted: 27-08-2010 13:29    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've met Fyodor Konyukhov! He spent long periods in Falmouth with one of his boats, and once left his cap in the chandlery where I worked.

So I guess that puts me one degree of separation from the Ark of the Covenant - cool! Cool


Did you get to keep his cap?
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PostPosted: 27-08-2010 13:42    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Did you get to keep his cap?

No, he came back for it! It had a very interesting Russian badge on it - I wish I'd photographed that.
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Off topic but - I must admit I had to google "chandlery" - I had no idea what it was!


So did I. I'd long assumed that the word meant "candle-maker," but it's apparently also so much more than that.

Albert Benjamin "Happy" Chandler was twice Governor of Kentucky and in between his administrations was the man who racially-integrated American Rounders.
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PostPosted: 03-09-2010 17:24    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zilch5 wrote:
This time, it's turned up in Ethiopia


Wasn't it always in Ethiopia? The Coptic Church has been saying that it is in Ethiopia for a very long time.

And, it makes psychological sense in a sort of made-for-television-apocalyptic-drama kind of way that one of the poorest countiries would be keepers of one of the greatest treasures.
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Will this be the first time the world sees the Ark of Covenant? Leaking roof in Ethiopian chapel 'will lead to relic being revealed'
By Rick Dewsbury
Last updated at 5:58 AM on 5th December 2011

A very British problem of a leaky church roof could be about to give the world the chance to glimpse the legendary Ark of the Covenant.
That's because the claimed home of the iconic relic - a small chapel in Ethiopia - has sprung a leak and so the Ark could now be on the move.

The Ark - which The Bible says holds God's Ten Commandments given to Moses on Mount Sinai - is said to have been kept in Aksum, in the Chapel of the Tablet, adjacent to St Mary of Zion Church, since the 1960s.
According to the Old Testament, it was first kept in the Temple of Solomon in Jerusalem for centuries until a Babylonian invasion in the 6th century BC.
Since then it's been the goal of many adventurers and archaeologists to find it. Most-famously, but also fictitiously, Indiana Jones was shown in the 1981 Steven Spielberg film Raiders of the Lost Ark.

There has also been a long-running claim from the Orthodox Christians of Ethiopia that they have had the Ark for centuries, and since the 1960s it has apparently been kept in the chapel.
This small and curiously-styled building is surrounded by spiked iron railings, and situated between two churches, the old and new, of St Mary of Zion in central Aksum.

No one has been allowed to see the holy object, described in scripture as being made from acacia wood, plated with gold and topped with two golden angels, except one solitary elderly monk, who must watch over the Ark for the remainder of his life, and is never allowed to leave the chapel grounds.

But now the chapel - which was designed by the Ethiopian leader Emperor Hailie Selassie - has had to be covered in a tarpaulin to stop rain getting in.
The water damage could mean the Ark will be moved for the first time in decades giving religious worshippers and adventurers alike a chance to see it.

British photographer Tim Makins, 54, who is a travel photographer for publications like Lonely Planet, discovered the church had sprung a leak whilst travelling through Ethiopia last September.
He believes the moving of the Ark could be one of the best ways to discover if there's any truth in the claims of the East African state.
Tim said: 'During my most recent visit to the church, I was surprised to see some ground adjacent to the ''Chapel of the Tablet'' being cleared and levelled by workmen, and some quantities of building stone being assembled nearby.
'Asking around, I managed to discover that a new temporary chapel is due to be built, and the Ark is to be moved into it while the original chapel is repaired.

'It seems that the builders of the 1960s were not as careful as the builders of centuries past, and the roof of the chapel has developed some serious leaks that now need comprehensive repair work.
'To protect the Ark, a tarpaulin now covers the roof of the chapel but this is just a temporary measure.
'To renovate the building thoroughly, the roof must be stripped back to the bare bones and so a replacement chapel is to be built next door providing a temporary home for it.'

Tim said the construction of the new temporary chapel would take about three months according to workers and religious figures at the site, though he suspects that it will probably take much longer.
He added: 'When the work is finished, the Ark of the Covenant will be carried to its new resting place.'

'That this can be done by the one person allowed to see it is unlikely, as The Bible describes the size of the Ark as 2.5 cubits in length, 1.5 in breadth, and 1.5 in height.
'Cubits in today's measurements translate to about 1.31 metres x 0.79m x 0.79m and it is normally carried on two long wooden poles.
'If it really is this size, and still contains the two stone tablets that list God's Ten Commandments, then the elderly monk will no doubt need some help to transport it.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2069765/Ark-Covenant-revealed-leaking-roof-Ethiopian-chapel.html#ixzz1fevCdSAI
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rynner2 wrote:

'If it really is this size, and still contains the two stone tablets that list God's Ten Commandments, then the elderly monk will no doubt need some help to transport it.'


I'd place a bet that it will be moved on a moonless night without aid of candles, torches, or electrics, only placing such a bet would be sacrilegious, no?
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