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Cochise Great Old One Joined: 17 Jun 2011 Total posts: 1104 Location: Gwynedd, Wales Age: 58 Gender: Male |
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| The assistants could wear blindfolds, I suppose. If its the real Ark they'd better be careful - I seem to remember from the Old Testament that if the ungodly touch the Ark they get zapped. |
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gncxx King-Size Canary
Great Old One Joined: 25 Aug 2001 Total posts: 13555 Location: Eh? Gender: Male |
| Posted: 06-12-2011 21:34 Post subject: |
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| Cochise wrote: | | The assistants could wear blindfolds, I suppose. If its the real Ark they'd better be careful - I seem to remember from the Old Testament that if the ungodly touch the Ark they get zapped. |
You might be remembering Raiders of the Lost Ark more... |
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| rynner2 What a Cad!
Great Old One Joined: 13 Dec 2008 Total posts: 21362 Location: Under the moon Gender: Male |
| Posted: 06-12-2011 21:56 Post subject: |
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| gncxx wrote: | | Cochise wrote: | | If its the real Ark they'd better be careful - I seem to remember from the Old Testament that if the ungodly touch the Ark they get zapped. |
You might be remembering Raiders of the Lost Ark more... |
I didn't see that fillum, but there was discussion much earlier in this thread about the idea that the Ark may have been a battery or capacitor capable of delivering a powerful electric shock, and thus could have been used by the ancient Israelites as a terror weapon. |
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| gordonrutter The Indescribable Horror that is a
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| Posted: 07-12-2011 08:01 Post subject: |
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In the OT one of the sons of Moses attempts to stop the Ark from falling as it is being carried and he is killed as he touches it.
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| Cochise Great Old One Joined: 17 Jun 2011 Total posts: 1104 Location: Gwynedd, Wales Age: 58 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 07-12-2011 10:15 Post subject: |
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| gordonrutter wrote: | In the OT one of the sons of Moses attempts to stop the Ark from falling as it is being carried and he is killed as he touches it.
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That's what I was thinking of. |
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| Quake42 Warrior Princess
Great Old One Joined: 25 Feb 2004 Total posts: 5310 Location: Over Silbury Hill, through the Solar field Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 08-12-2011 14:57 Post subject: |
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| There's also a Xena episode along these lines. So it must be true. |
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| kmossel Give in
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| Posted: 08-12-2011 20:19 Post subject: |
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I remembered the story, but I didn't recall the details, so I looked it up (http://bible.cc/2_samuel/6-3.htm). Turns out the guy who was killed was Uzzah, son of Abinadab. It was during the time of David.
There's an interesting amount of sophistry to be found on the web, that tries to explain why it really was his own fault that he died... |
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| Timble2 Imaginary person Joined: 09 Feb 2003 Total posts: 7114 Location: Practically in Narnia Age: 58 Gender: Female |
| Posted: 08-12-2011 20:22 Post subject: |
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| If Fortean Times had been going then, he'd have been a candidate for the the 'Strange Deaths' column... |
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| ramonmercado Psycho Punk
Joined: 19 Aug 2003 Total posts: 17931 Location: Dublin Gender: Male |
| Posted: 09-12-2011 15:06 Post subject: |
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| Quake42 wrote: | | There's also a Xena episode along these lines. So it must be true. |
Hmmm, do you really look like Xena? |
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| Quake42 Warrior Princess
Great Old One Joined: 25 Feb 2004 Total posts: 5310 Location: Over Silbury Hill, through the Solar field Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 09-12-2011 16:00 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Hmmm, do you really look like Xena?
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Haha I wish  |
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| ramonmercado Psycho Punk
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| Posted: 09-12-2011 20:56 Post subject: |
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| Quake42 wrote: | | Quote: | Hmmm, do you really look like Xena?
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Haha I wish |
I look like Thor apart from not having a beard or long locks. |
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| OldTimeRadio Great Old One Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Total posts: 5539 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio USA Age: 72 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 11-12-2011 09:23 Post subject: |
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I think that Ethiopia makes far rore sense that recent suppositions about the Greek islands
When the Jews in a besieged Jerusalem decided to move the Ark to a place of safety, what would have made more sense than sending it to observant Jews high in a nearly-impregnable African mountain fastness, among fierce warriors who would have pledged their lives to defend it? |
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| rynner2 What a Cad!
Great Old One Joined: 13 Dec 2008 Total posts: 21362 Location: Under the moon Gender: Male |
| Posted: 12-02-2012 11:31 Post subject: |
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More on the QoS and her gold:
Archaeologists strike gold in quest to find Queen of Sheba's wealth
A British excavation has struck archaeological gold with a discovery that may solve the mystery of where the Queen of Sheba derived her fabled treasures
Dalya Alberge
The Observer, Sunday 12 February 2012
A British excavation has struck archaeological gold with a discovery that may solve the mystery of where the Queen of Sheba of biblical legend derived her fabled treasures.
Almost 3,000 years ago, the ruler of Sheba, which spanned modern-day Ethiopia and Yemen, arrived in Jerusalem with vast quantities of gold to give to King Solomon. Now an enormous ancient goldmine, together with the ruins of a temple and the site of a battlefield, have been discovered in her former territory.
Louise Schofield, an archaeologist and former British Museum curator, who headed the excavation on the high Gheralta plateau in northern Ethiopia, said: "One of the things I've always loved about archaeology is the way it can tie up with legends and myths. The fact that we might have the Queen of Sheba's mines is extraordinary."
An initial clue lay in a 20ft stone stele (or slab) carved with a sun and crescent moon, the "calling card of the land of Sheba", Schofield said. "I crawled beneath the stone – wary of a 9ft cobra I was warned lives here – and came face to face with an inscription in Sabaean, the language that the Queen of Sheba would have spoken."
On a mound nearby she found parts of columns and finely carved stone channels from a buried temple that appears to be dedicated to the moon god, the main deity of Sheba, an 8th century BC civilisation that lasted 1,000 years. It revealed a victory in a battle nearby, where Schofield excavated ancient bones.
Although local people still pan for gold in the river, they were unaware of the ancient mine. Its shaft is buried some 4ft down, in a hill above which vultures swoop. An ancient human skull is embedded in the entrance shaft, which bears Sabaean chiselling.
Sheba was a powerful incense-trading kingdom that prospered through trade with Jerusalem and the Roman empire. The queen is immortalised in Qur'an and the Bible, which describes her visit to Solomon "with a very great retinue, with camels bearing spices, and very much gold and precious stones ... Then she gave the king 120 talents of gold, and a very great quantity of spices."
Although little is known about her, the queen's image inspired medieval Christian mystical works in which she embodied divine wisdom, as well as Turkish and Persian paintings, Handel's oratorio Solomon, and Hollywood films. Her story is still told across Africa and Arabia, and the Ethiopian tales are immortalised in the holy book the Kebra Nagast.
Hers is said to be one of the world's oldest love stories. The Bible says she visited Solomon to test his wisdom by asking him several riddles. Legend has it that he wooed her, and that descendants of their child, Menelik – son of the wise – became the kings of Abyssinia.
Schofield said that as she stood on the ancient site, in a rocky landscape of cacti and acacia trees, it was easy to imagine the queen arriving on a camel, overseeing slaves and elephants dragging rocks from the mine.
Schofield will begin a full excavation once she has the funds and hopes to establish the precise size of the mine, whose entrance is blocked by boulders.
Tests by a gold prospector who alerted her to the mine show that it is extensive, with a proper shaft and tunnel big enough to walk along.
Schofield was instrumental in setting up the multinational rescue excavations at the Roman city of Zeugma on the Euphrates before it was flooded for the Birecik dam. Her latest discovery was made during her environmental development work in Ethiopia, an irrigation, farming and eco-tourism project on behalf of the Tigray Trust, a charity she founded to develop a sustainable lifestyle for 10,000 inhabitants around Maikado, where people eke out a living from subsistence farming.
Sean Kingsley, archaeologist and author of God's Gold, said: "Where Sheba dug her golden riches is one of the great stories of the Old Testament. Timna in the Negev desert is falsely known as 'King Solomon's Mines', but anything shinier has eluded us.
"The idea that the ruins of Sheba's empire will once more bring life to the villages around Maikado is truly poetic and appropriate. Making the past relevant to the present is exactly what archaeologists should be doing. "
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/feb/12/archaeologists-and-quest-for-sheba-goldmines |
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| Zilch5 Vogon Poet
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The rabbi, the lost ark and the future of Temple Mount
In Jerusalem, rabbis are designing a new hi-tech temple. There's only one problem: they want to build it on the holiest place in the city for Muslims
Rabbi Chaim Richman shows me into a darkened room, strokes his beard and pulls out his smartphone. He has a specially designed app that works the lights. The room illuminates. He taps the screen again, and a heavy curtain slides open. There, resplendent in brilliant gold – and rather smaller than I expected – lies the Ark of the Covenant.
“This isn’t the real lost ark,” he says. “The real one is hidden about a kilometre from here, in underground chambers created during the time of Solomon.” I look at him askance. “It’s true,” he says. “Jews have an unbroken chain of recorded information, passed down from generation to generation, which indicates its exact location. There is a big fascination with finding the lost ark, but nobody asked a Jew. We have known where it is for thousands of years. It could be reached if we excavated Temple Mount, but that area is controlled by Muslims.”
Welcome to the Temple Institute exhibition, in the heart of the Old City of Jerusalem. A plush, hi-tech gallery, spanning 600 sq ft, it hosts a collection of vestments and sacred vessels to be used by the Jewish high priest. This is not a museum, insists Rabbi Richman, 54, the international director of the organisation. Apart from the Ark of the Covenant, every artefact on display has been painstakingly created in accordance with Biblical instructions and is intended for actual service in a “third Jewish temple", which will be built as soon as possible.
Central to the collection is a high priest’s costume made out of azure and gold thread with a breastplate featuring 12 large gems. Cost: £160,000. There are also intricate silver trumpets and wooden lyres, pans to collect the blood of the sacrificial lamb and a large stand for the ritual bread. Outside, on a platform overlooking the Western Wall, stands an ornate 1.5-ton candelabra covered in 90kg of gold worth £1.3 million.
All have been designed in consultation with 20 full-time Talmudic scholars, who the institute pays to study the elaborate, 2,000-year-old laws governing the construction of temple artefacts. But, before you accuse Richman and his colleagues of being old-fashioned, the Temple Institute has drawn up plans for the new temple that include two very contemporary features: a monorail, to transport visitors right to the door, and a 6ft-high computerised water dispenser with 12 taps so that an entire shift of priests can wash their hands at once. This, Richman tells me, has been designed so that a twist of the tap will release the precise amount of water stipulated in Jewish law.
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More at the link: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/10287615/The-rabbi-the-lost-ark-and-the-future-of-Temple-Mount.html |
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| JamesWhitehead Piffle Prospector Joined: 02 Aug 2001 Total posts: 5779 Location: Manchester, UK Gender: Male |
| Posted: 18-09-2013 00:02 Post subject: |
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All a bit gaudily material for an object so spiritual that it burned those who came into close proximity:
The Ark in Judaism
Lots of modern "scientific" interpretations of this Holy of Holies. It was a machine for making the manna that fed the Jews in the desert. It was radioactive. Or it was just a giant battery - the last was a feature in FT!
I suppose they needed a battery, just in case a Messiah might bring Christmas and a lot of otherwise-useless toys!  |
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