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PostPosted: 29-08-2005 13:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a story about a ghostly drummer in Staffordshire, whch I came across recently in a book about Staffordshire.

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PostPosted: 29-08-2005 14:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

Duntroon castel, Argylle.
In the seventeenth century a piper was sent to spy out the castle, but was captured, apparently managing to warn the invaders by playing ' The Pipers Warning to his Master ' , which caused him to have his hands cut off.
A skeleten was found there during restoration work, with no hand bones, allegedly, and people see the Piper and hear him in the tower.
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PostPosted: 30-08-2005 11:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drummers were used extensively for signalling orders during battles, this tends to put the drummers in a dangerous position, if you take them out, officers loose the ability to signal to troops/NCOs, they were also usually quite young so maybe it's just that there were so many of them were too young to understand the realities of war and that they are dead.
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PostPosted: 30-08-2005 12:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

And of course not forgetting the headless drummer boy of Dover Castle:

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High on these battlements, the ghost of a headless drummer boy is meant to walk. It is said that during the time of the Napoleonic Wars, the boy was carrying money for the garrison within the Castle's underground passages when he was set upon by thieves. He would not give up the money and was decapitated for his resistance. It is said that when the moon is full, the drummer boy still walks the Castle walls.


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PostPosted: 19-05-2006 02:09    Post subject: Re: Ghostly Drummers Reply with quote

MrRING wrote:
William Drury, Phantom Drummer:
http://www.genealogysource.com/druryghost.htm

And the probable hoax of the Ghostly Drummer of Tedworth:
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/tedworth.html


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Terrifying Haunting or Clever Hoax?

Was Mompesson's ghost a genuine spirit?
C.H.L. George (aeogae)

Published on 2006-05-18 11:24 (KST)


In 1662 English landowner John Mompesson began telling the world that his household was haunted by an evil and mischievous spirit.

In a letter to William Creed, Regius professor of Divinity at Oxford and a relation by marriage, he said that he had initially thought that the disturbances were the work of burglars, before being forced to conclude that they could only be supernatural.

He blamed the visitations on the witchcraft of William Drury, a drummer he had caused to be arrested in March for claiming money under false pretences.

The alleged events began in April, shortly after Drury's confiscated drum had been sent to Mompesson's house. However this is not the only reason why he held the drummer responsible. The haunting included unpleasant smells, increases in temperature, strange lights, moving objects and mysterious noises; but its defining feature was the loud beating of a drum.

In the same letter to Creed, Mompesson described the haunting in frightening terms. He said that the spirit shook his children's bed and drummed the tune to a popular song, then made scratching noises on the floor and further upset the youngsters.

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"It returned with mighty violence and applied it self wholly to my youngest children, whose bedsteeds it would beat, when there have been many strangers as well as ourselves present in the roome, that we did at every blow expect, they would have fallen in pieces, and we hold our hands upon those bedsteeds all the while and could feel no blowes but feele them shake extremely, and for an houre together play the tune called Roundheads and Cuckolds goe digge, goe digge, and never misse one stroke, as sweetly as skillfully as any Drummer in the World can beat . . . Then it will run under the bed-teeke [under the bed], and scratch as if it had iron talons, and heave up the children in the bed, and follow them from roome to roome, and come to none else but them."


Mompesson suggested that the spirit was particularly attracted to the children because the devil was drawn to innocence.

The events at Mompesson's house were widely publicised and even discussed at the royal court. The Earl of Chesterfield and the Earl of Falmouth were sent by King Charles II to investigate, but they did not see or hear anything. Chesterfield later claimed that when Mompesson met the King he confessed that the haunting was a hoax.

In another letter to Creed, Mompesson vehemently proclaimed his honesty. He told the Oxford professor about a group of disbelieving gentlemen who had mocked the spirit and searched the room for hidden trickery.

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"They rose and ran up into the roome, so they heard the knocking it usually made; they began to search and very curiously to look where or no they could discover any secret Angles or holes where any body might be put to make noises to deceive them, but found none: then they calld out Satan, Doe this and that, and Whistle if thou canst . . . I protest I was afraid at their cariage, and begd of them to be more sober and to withdraw."


Mompesson expressed outrage that anyone could think that he had fabricated the haunting.

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"If any be so uncharitable as to believe that a whole family can be monstrously impious as to fast and pray, and to desire the help of Ministers and other good people to remove that which themselves have contrived to deceive the world, I wish them better Christians And to no other end can it be, but to bring down the vengeance of God upon them, to expose themselves to the censure of the world, and so bring an irreparable damage upon their Estates."


It is possible that Mompesson was himself the innocent victim of a hoax orchestrated by his servants or other parties. In which case it is easy to understand why he was so upset by doubters. On the other hand, one can not help thinking of Shakespeare's famous line about the lady who "doth protest too much."

Many people did think that the haunting was genuine. Belief in the existence of witches was common and the infamous Salem witch trials were still thirty years away in the future.

In December 1662 Mompesson's cousin Thomas advised him that the witch could be attacked with swords, but he added, "doe not discourse of it in your house nor in any other place neer, nor yet make any shew of what you intend; for the Witch is often present there as well when there is no noise as when there is noise."

Thomas told his cousin of a case in France where a group of men had succeeded in making a witch visible by wounding her.

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"All presently fell to cutting and slashing in all parts and places of the roome both underfoot and overhead and in every corner; this sport continued for almost half an houre, and they never could hit her (by reason of the faculty Witches have of passing in the Aire) yet laying about them so fast, it happened at length that a blow lighted on her, which drawing bloud of her she presently fell down, and could no longer keep herself from being visible."


In 1668 the haunting was made even more famous by supporter and clergyman Joseph Glanvill, who included it in his book A Blow at Modern Sadducism. In Some Philosophical Considerations about Witchcraft.

British historian Michael Hunter suspects that Glanvill may be the author of an anonymous eye witness account found in the State Papers.

If the account is an accurate report of events it is difficult to imagine how hoaxers could have produced the following effect. Of course one explanation is that the author was highly suggestible.

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"I put my hand on the place where it seemed to bee & it bore up so strongly against it as if somebody had thrust against mee. The children use to feel it so under them sometimes like an Eale [Eel] and other times like a bowle which seemes to make a hole & passe through the Bed."


Was Mompesson's family haunted by a genuine poltergeist or was it an exceptionally clever trick? If you are still undecided you might like to read Michael Hunter's paper "New light on the 'Drummer of Tedworth:' conflicting narratives of witchcraft in Restoration England." It is freely available online and contains the full versions of the texts quoted in this article.

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©2006 OhmyNews


http://english.ohmynews.com/articleview/article_view.asp?article_class=5&no=292695&rel_no=1

Hunter, Michael (2005) New light on the ‘Drummer of Tedworth’: conflicting narratives of witchcraft in Restoration England. Historical Research, 78 (201). pp. 311-353. ISSN 0950-3471

http://eprints.bbk.ac.uk/archive/00000250/
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PostPosted: 25-06-2006 12:03    Post subject: Reply with quote

intaglioreally wrote:
Suprised, no one has mentioned Drakes Drum





except me


Is there any recent news of that? isn't supposed to beat when we're at war, or only when England is under attack? Either way, I should have thought it would have done a little something, given recent events.

All the acounts of the Demon Drummer of Tedworth I've read say it can't be explained. Pus its a really cool story!
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PostPosted: 05-07-2006 02:38    Post subject: dummer boy Reply with quote

Woah really interesting versions of the drummer boy story.
If i may i will tell you mine.
The drummer boy ghost is actualy the ghost of a young lad who was painted with phosphorus paint and made to march around a graveyard, lighting up the dark and frighteming people. This was perfect cover for smugglers who made a fortune.
The lead content of the paint killed the boy, wich is why he still drums about this place.
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PostPosted: 19-08-2006 22:22    Post subject: Re: dummer boy Reply with quote

BIg_Slim wrote:
Woah really interesting versions of the drummer boy story.
If i may i will tell you mine.
The drummer boy ghost is actualy the ghost of a young lad who was painted with phosphorus paint and made to march around a graveyard, lighting up the dark and frighteming people. This was perfect cover for smugglers who made a fortune.
The lead content of the paint killed the boy, wich is why he still drums about this place.


Ha ha. A hoax and a genuine ghost all in one bundle.

As a nipper I was reading one of those books about RAF ghosts and found one about a phantom bagpipe player at Manby in Lincolnshire. This delighted me as it was really near home so I told my mum and she was amazed as she said she used to hear someone practising the bagpipes as she drove past that very spot when she used to volunteer taking pensioners to the local hospital but had assumed it was a corporeal human practising not a long dead one (and of course it could all have been some spooky coicedence or a misfiring memory...)
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PostPosted: 07-10-2006 04:41    Post subject: Reply with quote

there is supposed to be a drummer boy under the bridge at potter heigham in Norfolk. When I was at first school there I remember there being a new village sign put up outside our school that displayed this boy. We were told a story about him in assembley, when the sign had been first put up. The drummer boy was apparently attatched to some army group, returning after service during a war. (I dont remember now which one but Napoleonic sounds plausibly familiar.) He was making his way home and was by the riverbank, close to the under pass of the little bridge. We were told he had drowned after falling through thin ice. The beating of drums, according to the story we were told, was his attempt to attract the attention of his fellow soldiers, also on the return march to there respective homes, so that he might be saved from an icy death.

We were told that on dark winter nights you can hear him drumming.

All publications and stories I have looked up about potter heigham ghostly goings on, dont seem to know this story, but all the locals do.
It was an odd place to live. It didnt strike me as strange that my friends and myself where always allowed to stay out late, on our own, to go ghost hunting. We were 7 yr olds at that time, so really not a normal thing to have been happening. Nor somthing that the majority of parents would consider safe.
After moving from there to a town, I was only allowed out on Girl Guides night up until the age of 14 and never at any other time. So quite a change. But I think it demonstrates the oddity of the village.
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PostPosted: 07-10-2006 07:27    Post subject: potter heigham Reply with quote

Skater of Hickling Broad

Location: Potter Heigham (Norfolk) - River Thurne
Type: Haunting Manifestation
Date / Time: Unknown
Further Comments: In love with a rich man's daughter, a drummer boy would skate across the frozen river to secretly rendezvous with his forbidden girlfriend. However, one winter night the ice cracked and the boy drowned - leaving his ghost to continue the drumming. A phantom female rower has also been seen on the river.

[url] http://www.paranormaldatabase.com/reports/riverdata.php?pageNum_paradata=1&totalRows_paradata=55




[url] http://www.norfolkcoast.co.uk/myths/ml_potterheigham.htm

[url] http://www.norfolkcoast.co.uk/myths/ml_napoleonicsoldier.htm

[url] http://www.edp24.co.uk/Content/Features/SpookyNorfolk/calendar.asp

Potter Heigham, Norfolk

Sir Godfrey Haslitt married the beautiful Lady Evelyn Carew on 31st May, 1742. At midnight, during the course of the wedding celebrations, the bride was seized from the Hall and carried out screaming to a waiting coach. The coach tore down the drive and headed along the road towards Potter Heigham. Arriving at the bridge, the coach, which was travelling too fast, smashed into the wall and was flung, with it’s occupants, into the River Thurne below.

At midnight, on the anniversary of the fatal wedding night, the journey is repeated by the phantom coach. It was certainly seen as late as 1930.

[/url] http://noir-folk.tripod.com/tales.html#Potterbridge
[url] http://www.norfolkcoast.co.uk/signs/index.htm
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PostPosted: 08-04-2013 11:02    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a bit late to this thread. Embarassed But the subject of phantom drumming or tapping happened to come up in rl conversation the other day, and I remembered this discussion. Since it's a percussion instrument, perhaps a drum is much more likely to be misidentified than another sort of instrument with a more distinctive or unmistakable sound? Any sort of vague rhythmic banging could be interpreted as a drum from a distance, so maybe some of these phantom drummers are just natural sounds being misinterpreted, with the legend to match being created or drafted in from elsewhere later?

I know water dripping through limestone can sound remarkably like a drum in the distance, if the acoustics are right- there's a natural cavern near me that's a popular tourist spot, and the tour guides specifically point out the sound. I'm sure other natural phenomena could fit the bill.

Not that this applies to cases like Tedworth, of course, but maybe some of those really short-on-details urban legend type stories about a phantom drummer could be explained this way.
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