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Onix_Martinez Papá de Iñaki y Xhanté
Papá de Iñaki Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Total posts: 682 Location: Mexico City, Mexico Age: 45 Gender: Male |
 Posted: 03-03-2004 07:04 Post subject: |
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| lopaka wrote: |
I should also add I smell a subtext here. I saw her interviewd. Hispanic woman, her English isn't that great, probably not a real high income. That might be part of the reason the police/arson invesigations were so lame. Until the state leg guy helped her (also Hispanic, but a handsome, well-spoken, successfull man) she police were still ignoring her. Sad, but not far-fetched. She is resourcefull, I will say that. |
I agree to that, a bunch of Hispanics in the U.S. are simply ignored by the police, specially the new arrivals who hardly speak English. |
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| Anonymous |
| Posted: 10-03-2004 02:31 Post subject: Mother reunited with 'dead' child |
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A Philadelphia woman and her daughter have been reunited six years after the child was believed to have died in a house fire.
The reunion came six weeks after 31-year-old Luzaida Cuevas recognised the girl as her child at a birthday party; DNA tests later confirmed this.
Police say a distant relative kidnapped the girl and brought her up as her own.
The woman allegedly set fire to the house from which she abducted the child to cover up her crime.
Film script
Ms Cuevas and the child she called Delimar Vera were officially reunited on Monday.
She then took the girl home where the family planned "a small private gathering of friends and family" to celebrate, her lawyer told the Associated Press news agency.
The events leading to Ms Cuevas finding her daughter after such a long time could come straight from a film script - and producers are aiming to transform the real life story to the screen.
Mrs Cuevas was at a child's birthday party in January, when she noticed that one of the children there bore a striking resemblance to her own.
"When she smiled, when she was a baby, she drew a dimple, and the little girl, she smiled, and the dimple was there," Ms Cuevas said.
Delimar Vera was thought to have died in a fire in 1997, when she was only 10 days old.
Investigators assumed the baby's body was consumed by the flames.
Trauma
Ms Cuevas escaped the blaze with her other children, but she never accepted that her baby had died - pointing to the fact a bedroom window was mysteriously open, even though it was December.
Carolyn Correa, a cousin by marriage of the girl's father, is alleged to have kidnapped the girl and taken her to New Jersey to raise her as her own daughter.
She has been charged with arson, kidnapping and 13 other counts.
Child psychologists say the change could be traumatic for the girl, who has left the only home and family she ever knew.
AP reports that her parents have decided to minimise the confusion by calling her by the name she was given by her alleged kidnapper - Aaliyah Hernandez.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3545413.stm
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| Anonymous |
| Posted: 10-03-2004 11:29 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Child psychologists say the change could be traumatic for the girl, who has left the only home and family she ever knew. |
They showed some video of the kid back with her real mum - she looked very happy and was talking with the press.
"So what are you going to do now?"
"Uh... get some pizza?"
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| Mighty_Emperor Divine Wind
Joined: 18 Aug 2002 Total posts: 19943 Location: Mongo Age: 42 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 30-05-2004 13:31 Post subject: Back from the dead |
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For those stories about people bing pronounced dead bu being reluctant to accept the diagnosis:
| Quote: | Boy starts breathing as he's prepared for funeral
Toddler had been pronounced dead after drowning
The Associated Press
Updated: 1:53 p.m. ET May 28, 2004
BOISE, Idaho - A hospital worker preparing a 22-month-old for a funeral home noticed the boy was breathing — more than an hour after he had been pronounced dead from drowning.
Logan Pinto apparently wandered away from his baby sitter Thursday and fell into a canal near his home in Rexburg, about 275 miles east of Boise. He was submerged for nearly 30 minutes before police found him a half-mile downstream, said Rexburg police Capt. Randy Lewis.
Though an officer gave him CPR and emergency workers did everything they could to revive him, Lewis said, the boy was pronounced dead when it appeared the effort had failed. After giving the boy’s mother and stepfather — Debra and Joe Gould — some time to say goodbye, Madison Memorial Hospital nurse Mary Zollinger began to prepare Logan’s body for the funeral home.
But when she looked at the boy, she noticed his chest was slightly moving and realized that Logan was alive.
The boy was flown to Primary Children’s Medical Center in Salt Lake City, where he was listed in critical condition Friday. Late Thursday, he was breathing on his own and his color had returned, but he was placed back on a respirator Friday, Lewis said.
“I’m just amazed and overwhelmed with what took place,” Lewis said. “They aggressively worked on him for quite a bit of time, and of course it’s a bad situation when you have to let the parents know that their son has passed away.”
But despair turned to joy when emergency workers learned the boy was alive.
“It’s called divine intervention, I think. I was dumbfounded. I couldn’t believe it hardly, especially after leaving there and seeing what had transpired,” Lewis said. “I don’t know how to explain it. It’s joyous and relieving.” |
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5085797/?GT1=3391
Small children and drowining (esp. in very cold water) are some of the 'best' circumsatcnes for this kind of thing.
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| Anome_ Faceless Man
Great Old One Joined: 23 May 2002 Total posts: 5380 Location: Left, and to the back. Age: 45 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 30-05-2004 14:43 Post subject: |
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Ahh, the dive reflex.
Wouldn't have thought the child would have been "dead" long enough to begin preparing the corpse for a funeral, but it's possible. |
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| Mighty_Emperor Divine Wind
Joined: 18 Aug 2002 Total posts: 19943 Location: Mongo Age: 42 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 11-07-2004 13:49 Post subject: |
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Yep it seems to be an old Fortean favourite (although I couldn't find too many other threads) and examples include people waking up at their funerals or worst during the postmortem!!
This is a sad story along these lines:
| Quote: | SAN FRANCISCO
Woman pronounced dead -- dies next day
Medics investigated for failing to take 90-year-old to ER
Jaxon Van Derbeken, Chronicle Staff Writer
Saturday, July 10, 2004
The San Francisco Fire Department is investigating why a paramedic crew pronounced a 90-year-old woman dead and left her for the medical examiner, only to rush back to her Marina District home an hour later when investigators discovered she was alive.
The woman, Divia Masetti, died the next day after being taken to California Pacific Medical Center, authorities said Friday.
Masetti was discovered Wednesday in her house on Avila Street, caked in dried blood and urine and covered with flies and ants.
The neighbor who found her, Anna Iriartborde, said she promptly called 911 at 5:27 p.m. "I really thought she was dead," she said.
A paramedic, identified by authorities as Paul Jug, and firefighters from a nearby station house who showed up at 5:32 p.m. came to the same conclusion. Authorities said that rather than running an extensive check of vital signs, Jug pronounced Masetti dead at the scene.
The crew members radioed to communications that they had an "obvious dead on arrival" case, and they were leaving.
The paramedic crew left at 6:09 after police arrived and the medical examiner was en route. "When the investigators were preparing to remove her to the medical examiner's office, she showed signs of life,'' said Alan Pringle, chief investigator with the office.
Specifically, Masetti moaned when the coroner's investigators moved her, authorities said.
Paramedics were summoned again at 6:18, this time with an ambulance. By 6: 33, the ambulance was taking Masetti to the hospital, where she later opened her eyes.
She died the next morning. The cause of death has not been determined, but it appears she died of natural causes, Pringle said.
Fire Capt. Pete Howes said the department was investigating the matter as a "nontransport of a patient.'' He declined further comment and would not say what might happen to the paramedic or other crew members.
Jug did not return a call Friday seeking comment.
Howes did say that after a meeting with internal regulators last week, before the Masetti case, the department had agreed to a policy that dictates that paramedics must contact San Francisco General Hospital and run through a checklist of medical signs before deciding not to take patients under age 5 or over 55 to the hospital.
Howes would not say whether the paramedic crew that checked on Masetti had followed the checklist, which Fire Chief Joanne Hayes-White had emphasized in a memo was "not voluntary."
Hayes-White ordered the policy put in place in June after reports she received suggested that paramedics had failed to take four patients to the hospital who should have gone there.
"There are a number of cases that are under investigation,'' said Michael Petrie, who is investigating those cases on behalf the Department of Public Health.
On Thursday, "in light of recent events," Fire Department medical director Dr. John Brown extended the policy to all patients.
Mayor Gavin Newsom said Friday that he had had a "tough conversation'' with Hayes-White "to make sure this doesn't happen again.''
"I'm very concerned about it,'' he said. "My heart goes out to her family. ''
It is unclear whether Masetti could have been saved had she been treated promptly. An autopsy is pending.
Iriartborde said she doesn't know what to make of it all. "I'm not surprised that they thought she was dead," she said. "But they must check. . . . I guess they did, because they spent some time up there.'' |
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/07/10/BAGUU7JAL620.DTL |
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| anne_of_28_days Great Old One Joined: 31 Oct 2003 Total posts: 215 Location: minneapolis/st. paul, minnesota Gender: Female |
| Posted: 12-07-2004 02:09 Post subject: |
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| seems to be a fairly common event. and those are the ones we hear about. i'm sure some go unreported and are even covered up. |
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| fluffle9 Great Old One Joined: 01 May 2004 Total posts: 979 Location: somewhere over the rainbow Age: 30 Gender: Female |
| Posted: 12-07-2004 02:55 Post subject: |
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then there must be an awful lot who aren't dead when declared dead, but die soon after, the mistake never being discovered, or who are buried alive.
i heard that the victorians were really paranoid about being buried alive and had all kinds of little bells and signs and windows on their coffins so that people buried alive could alert those on the surface to their predicament. |
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| Mighty_Emperor Divine Wind
Joined: 18 Aug 2002 Total posts: 19943 Location: Mongo Age: 42 Gender: Male |
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| Posted: 12-07-2004 09:20 Post subject: |
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My mother made us promise to cremate her as she was terrified of being buried alive.....  |
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| escargot1 Joined: 24 Aug 2001 Total posts: 17897 Location: Farkham Hall Age: 4 Gender: Female |
| Posted: 12-07-2004 09:34 Post subject: |
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I'm not afraid of being buried alive but wish to be cremated anyway. Hygiene and all that.
S'funny, at the turn of the last century cremation was being pushed as the hygienic alternative to burial and now cremation is being seen as polluting. Woodland burial is the coming thing. |
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| athyra Great Old One Joined: 24 May 2003 Total posts: 149 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 12-07-2004 10:24 Post subject: |
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There was a famous case, don't know specifics, it's my anecdotal recollection...
During the late 17th or early 18th century many of the cadavers used for medicine were from people who had been executed.
Apparently, one of the professors while teaching his class, noticed signs of life in one of the convicts. He decided to go ahead with the dissection anyways. If the pseudo-dead subject of dissection was found to be alive, he would just be carted away and executed again. What would be the point, other than a whole lot of bother?
pretty sure this is a famous account, the doctor was either british or french. Other people on the board probably know much more about this. |
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| TheQuixote Joined: 25 Sep 2003 Total posts: 4085 Gender: Female |
| Posted: 14-07-2004 22:45 Post subject: |
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Seven-hour fight to save toddler
A toddler was revived more than seven hours after he was found face down in his family's pond.
Doctors believe the fight to save two-year-old Joe Towey, from Birmingham, was the longest resuscitation ever carried out in the UK.
Eight doctors and nurses led by Dr Nick Makwana revived the boy at Heartlands Hospital in the city.
His father Michael said: "I don't know if he survived because of his strength or because he is lucky."
Using cardiac massage equipment, the medical team worked for more than five hours to make his heart beat again and another two stabilising him.
The youngster was then taken to North Staffordshire Hospital in Stoke-on-Trent where he stayed on a life-support machine for two weeks.
Joe had been found in the pond by his father and mother, Jennifer Nock, at his home in the Hall Green area of Birmingham on Boxing Day morning last year.
'Best moment'
Dr Makwana said the boy survived because the cold water, coupled with the chilly winter weather and his small size, caused his temperature to plummet suddenly.
He said this sent him effectively into a deep freeze which had prevented significant brain injury.
The doctor added: "Even when we managed to find his heartbeat, it was still a very critical situation.
"We had to be very guarded. We were very conscious that he could be brain damaged."
Mr Towey said it was the "best moment" of his life when he knew Joe had pulled through.
He said: "I don't know if he survived because of his strength or because he is lucky."
But Joe's father said his two large ponds will not be filled in despite the near tragedy.
He added: "I don't see that it benefits anybody to be so scared of everything. Accidents happen."
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BBCi News 14/07/04 |
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| H_James Ancient Cow (&)
Creepy thing Joined: 18 May 2002 Total posts: 5624 |
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| Anonymous |
| Posted: 19-08-2004 14:57 Post subject: |
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http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,10497911%255E1702,00.html
| Quote: | Child kidnapper wakes up in coffin
From correspondents in Beijing
August 19, 2004
A MAN who was shot by police after kidnapping two children and then shipped off to be cremated was found to be alive by funeral workers who heard him groan, state media and local officials said today.
Zhang Kailin, 36, was shot at point-blank range and fell to the ground from a five-storey window ledge after a tense two-hour standoff at a school in central Hebei province Tuesday, the Beijing Daily Messenger said.
He had taken two children hostage and demanded 2500 yuan (2.5) ransom before police moved in.
The paper said his body was put in a coffin and taken to a funeral home where it was to be refrigerated before being cremated.
But funeral home workers heard a groan on opening the coffin and were shocked to find the man still alive. They rushed him to hospital.
"This has never happened before. Workers were opening the coffin for a photo examination and heard the man groan," the funeral home director surnamed Zhang said. "We were shocked."
Police in Shijiazhuang city refused to comment. There was no word on Zhang's condition nor whether the children were hurt.
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