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PostPosted: 05-11-2013 19:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

The debate is getting polarised.
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PostPosted: 05-11-2013 19:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

All these puns! Not sure I can bear any more.
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PostPosted: 06-11-2013 09:43    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mythopoeika wrote:
All these puns! Not sure I can bear any more.


Are you sad, perhaps you are a bi-polar bear?
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PostPosted: 08-11-2013 22:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

"An octogenarian versus a hungry Russian bear. It was a confrontation that could have ended only one way, and yet shepherd Yusuf Alchagirov was sitting upright in bed this week and happily munching on the three traditional pies his family had baked in celebration at his survival."

A hungry Russian bear writes, "Sure, his family baked them! That's why they had Daddy Bear, Mummy Bear and Baby Bear on the top!"

Quite a detailed look at at a tale some see as a political parable.
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PostPosted: 09-11-2013 09:39    Post subject: Reply with quote

The old boy is hardly Goldilocks, is he? Smile
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PostPosted: 09-11-2013 11:08    Post subject: Reply with quote

Goldilocks, Schmouldilocks! She does not enter the picture until the early 20th Century. In Southey's version of 1837, the intruder is an old vagrant woman who is thrown from the window. No Mummy or Baby Bear either in the raw world of three property-owning bachelor grizzlies! That Wikipedia page is well worth a look. Smile
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PostPosted: 25-11-2013 14:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

Elderly couple found alive 12 days after car crashed into swamp
A husband and wife have been rescued in Japan, after surviving for 12 days on swamp water
Danielle Demetriou, Tokyo
12:01PM GMT 25 Nov 2013

An elderly couple in Japan survived on swamp water for 12 days after their car plunged 39 feet off a cliff leaving them stranded.
The husband, 65, was driving his 76-year-old wife in Higashiomi, Shiga prefecture, north of Kyoto, at around 7pm one evening earlier in the month when the mishap took place.
The driver reportedly swerved to avoid something he saw moving on the road, before the car crashed through a barrier and plunged into the swamp below.

Neither were seriously injured in the crash but they were unable to call for help as they did not have a mobile phone, according to Japanese media reports.

Instead, the couple stayed in the car, which was reportedly partially submerged, and survived by collecting nutrient-rich swamp water in plastic bottles and drinking it. Shocked

On at least one occasion, the husband tried to escape by crawling out of the marsh, but he reportedly returned to the car to be with his wife, who had injured her back in the accident.
The couple were eventually rescued after the husband managed crawl out of the swamp and was spotted by a passing driver who raised the alarm leading to their rescue.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/10472043/Elderly-couple-found-alive-12-days-after-car-crashed-into-swamp.html
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PostPosted: 25-11-2013 16:06    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to be frivolous, but why is mineral water such a big deal when we could be drinking swamp water instead if it's so healthy?
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PostPosted: 25-11-2013 21:03    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not to be frivolous, but why is mineral water such a big deal when we could be drinking swamp water instead if it's so healthy?


Yeah. 'Nutrient-rich' indeed. Shocked
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PostPosted: 25-11-2013 22:26    Post subject: Reply with quote

But mineral water isn't a big deal because it's 'healthy'. It contains no nutrients at all, just a trace of minerals that salesmen would like to persuade you are 'good for you', although if you eat a balanced diet you probably get enough already.

Swamp water, however, probably does contain nutrients in the form of water weeds and protozoa:
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Among well-known protozoans are amoebas, ciliates, paramecia, and dinoflagellates. Protozoa may live freely or as parasites, and may live as single cells or in simple colonies without any differentiation into tissues. While most are microscopic, some grow large enough to be seen unaided.

While some are known for causing disease (malaria is caused by parasitic forms), protozoans are vitally important ecologically as key links in food chains. Ubiquitous in aquatic environments and the soil, protozoans prey upon algae, bacteria, and other organisms and are themselves consumed by animals such as microinvertebrates.

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Protozoa

(Of course, a car in the swamp may well be leaking fuel and oil, and the trapped persons probably add various unmentionable substances, so it may not be an ideal diet... Wink )
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PostPosted: 26-11-2013 14:40    Post subject: Reply with quote

I live in Kiev, our taps seem to produce swamp water but we are advised not to drink it.
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PostPosted: 10-12-2013 12:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

Between life and death – the power of therapeutic hypothermia

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When Anna Bågenholm fell while skiing and became trapped in icy water, her body temperature plummeted and her heart stopped, but doctors were able to bring her back to life. Her extraordinary story has led to therapeutic hypothermia being used around the world


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Her extraordinary story has led to therapeutic hypothermia being introduced as a protective measure for victims of strokes, liver failure and epileptic seizures. Recent studies have also illustrated its effectiveness in newborn babies who have suffered a lack of oxygen at birth.

It is commonly used around the world in open heart operations where surgeons will cool the body down to as low as 10C, allowing them to cut off the arterial supply to the brain for up to 15 minutes without any notable brain damage.
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PostPosted: 31-12-2013 09:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swedish man survived in snowed-in car for two months
Doctors say 'igloo effect' kept 44-year-old driver in northern Sweden alive despite temperatures of -30C
Lizzy Davies theguardian.com,
Sunday 19 February 2012 18.23 GMT

A Swedish man who spent two months snowed inside his car as temperatures outside dropped to -30C is "awake and able to communicate", according to the hospital treating him, where stunned doctors believe he was kept alive by the "igloo effect" of his vehicle.

The man, believed to be Peter Skyllberg, 44, who was found near the north-eastern town of Umeå on Friday by passers-by, told police he had been in the car since 19 December without food, surviving only by eating snow and staying inside his warm clothes and sleeping bag.

Dr Ulf Segerberg, the chief medical officer at Noorland's University Hospital, said he had never seen a case like it. The man had probably been kept alive, he said, by the natural warming properties of his snowed-in car which would have acted as "the equivalent of an igloo".

"This man obviously had good clothes; he's had a sleeping bag and he's been in a car that's been snowed over," said Segerberg. "Igloos usually have a temperature of a couple of degrees below 0C and if you have good clothes you would survive in those temperatures and be able to preserve your body temperature. Obviously he has managed to preserve his body temperature or he wouldn't have made it because us humans can't really stand being cooled down like reptiles, for instance, which can change the body temperature."

Two months was at the "upper limit" of what a person would be able to survive without food, added Segerberg.

Skyllberg was found emaciated and very weak by a pair of snowmobilers who thought they had found a crashed car. They dug down through about a metre of snow to see its driver lying on the back seat in his sleeping bag, according to Ebbe Nyberg, a local police officer.
"They were amazed at what they found: a man in his mid-40s huddled inside in a sleeping bag, starving and barely able to move or speak," Nyberg, working in Vaesterbotten county, was quoted as saying.

A rescuer told the local newspaper Västerbottens-Kuriren: "It's just incredible that he's alive considering that he had no food, but also since it's been really cold for some time after Christmas."

Police said temperatures around Umeå had fallen to -30C. One doctor, Stefan Branth, said Skyllberg may have survived by going into hibernation mode. "A bit like a bear that hibernates. Humans can do that. He probably had a body temperature of around 31C which the body adjusted to. Due to the low temperature, not much energy was used up."

But Segerberg said he was "sceptical" of this suggestion. "We can't lower body temperature very much. A little bit we can, but if we lower body temperatures more than just a little bit, we lose consciousness and go into a coma," he said, cautioning that it was not his area of expertise.

Skyllberg is being treated in an ordinary ward in the University Hospital, where Segerberg said he was "feeling well". It was unclear how he had come to be stranded in the deserted lane.

Segerberg said that, even in a part of the world where sub-zero temperatures and heavy snow are the norm, this case was unusual. "There have been cases of people caught out in the mountains, and if they can dig themselves down in the snow they are able to survive and be found. But there must be something special in this case."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/feb/19/man-trapped-snowed-car-hospital
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PostPosted: 03-02-2014 00:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mexico castaway dreams of home after '13-month' sea ordeal
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-26010553

Swimmers in the Pacific Ocean in December 2013

Jose Ivan reportedly travelled 5,000 miles (8,000km) across the Pacific Ocean
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A Mexican castaway, who says he spent more than a year adrift in the Pacific, has pleaded to be taken home after washing up in the Marshall Islands.

"I want to get back to Mexico," Jose Ivan reportedly said as he was taken to the islands' capital, Majuro, for a medical examination.

Mr Ivan said he left Mexico with a friend for a trip in a fibre-glass boat in December 2012.

He was found by people living on the island of Ebon Atoll on Thursday.

'Bad shape'
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When we got there we first found his boat, which was... grown over with shells and other sea animals”

Ola Fjeldstad
Norwegian student on Ebon Atoll
Emaciated and wearing only ragged underpants, Mr Ivan washed ashore when his boat floated onto a reef at the small, isolated island.

He apparently survived the 5,000-mile (8,000km) ordeal by catching fish, birds and turtles with his bare hands.

He said his travelling companion died at sea many months ago.

No details have emerged about how the 24ft (7m) boat ran into trouble or how his companion died.

Ola Fjeldstad, a Norwegian anthropology student on Ebon Atoll, told the BBC how the castaway was apparently discovered: "A group of us got into the boat... and went over to meet him."

Map of Marshall Islands
"And when we got there we first found his boat, which was... grown over with shells and other sea animals. It had a live baby bird, a dead turtle, some turtle shells, and fish leftovers inside."

"He was in really bad shape in terms of strength and in terms of mental health."

As he boarded a Marshall Islands patrol vessel to Majuro on Sunday, he said: "I feel bad. I am so far away. I don't know where I am or what happened."

AFP news agency reported that Mr Ivan, who only speaks Spanish, had been communicating with Ione deBrum, Ebon Atoll's mayor, by drawing pictures.

Three Mexican fishermen were rescued off the Marshall Islands in August 2006 after what they said was about nine months drifting across the Pacific Ocean.

They survived on rain water, sea birds and fish.
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PostPosted: 03-02-2014 00:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's obvious that nobody really believes him!
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