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The Hess Conspiracy (feat. I. Fleming and A. Crowley)
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PostPosted: 21-07-2011 18:42    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this the final chapter?

Top Nazi Rudolf Hess exhumed from 'pilgrimage' grave

The grave holding the remains of Adolf Hitler's deputy Rudolf Hess has been destroyed to stop it being used as a pilgrimage site by neo-Nazis.
Hess's bones were exhumed at the graveyard in the town of Wunsiedel, southern Germany, early on Wednesday.
The remains were later cremated and are to be scattered at sea.

Hess was captured after flying to Britain in 1941 and sentenced to life in prison. He killed himself in a Berlin jail in 1987 at the age of 93.
As he requested in his will, he was buried in the small Bavarian town of Wunsiedel, where his family had a holiday home and where his parents were already interred.

The local Lutheran church which supervises the cemetery gave its permission for the burial at the time, ruling that the wishes of the deceased could not be ignored.
But they and local people have since become concerned by the number of far-right groups visiting the grave.

Each year on the anniversary of his death, neo-Nazis have attempted to stage a march to the cemetery, saluting the grave with its epitaph "I dared", and laying floral wreaths.
A member of the church council, Hans-Juergen Buchta, told the Associated Press news agency: "The whole town was shut down and in turmoil and there was a huge police presence. We here at the graveyard were not always able to cope."

A 2005 court order banning such gatherings had little effect so the church decided to terminate the family's lease on the grave as of October 2011.
A granddaughter of Hess objected to the decision and filed a lawsuit in an attempt to prevent it going ahead, but was eventually persuaded by the parish council to drop the case and allow the exhumation to go ahead.
Roland Schoeffel, the deputy mayor of Wunsiedel, told AFP news agency that the monument had been razed "in an operation not open to the public".

Cemetery administrator Andreas Fabel told AP news agency on Thursday: "The grave is now empty. The bones are gone."
One resident, named as Mrs Koenig, said: "Perhaps we will now have some peace when he is gone. Perhaps they won't come any more, which is what Wunsiedel wants."

Charlotte Knobloch, the head of the Jewish community in Munich and Upper Bavaria, welcomed the move.
"For decades this town and its inhabitants were terrorised by far-right extremists from all over the world," she is quoted as saying by AFP.

Hess was one of Hitler's closest aides. But in 1941 he made a solo flight to Scotland, where his plane crash-landed, in an apparently unauthorised peace mission which was denounced by the fuhrer.
He was imprisoned by the British for the duration of the war.

At the Nuremberg Trials in 1946, Hess was cleared of war crimes and crimes against humanity but convicted of crimes against peace and jailed for life.
He spent 40 years in Spandau Prison in Berlin.
He was the last remaining inmate at the prison when he was found hanged there in August 1987.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14232768
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PostPosted: 21-07-2011 21:36    Post subject: Reply with quote

So unless there are medical specimens stored anywhere that's the end of the last chance of DNA testing to establish if it really was Hess. Sad
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PostPosted: 21-07-2011 21:58    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So unless there are medical specimens stored anywhere that's the end of the last chance of DNA testing to establish if it really was Hess. Sad

Could be. Sad, really - after all this time, would it hurt to learn the truth?

But it seems TPTB have already decided there is only one 'truth'...
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It could be quite a can of worms that was being opened if they admitted it wasn't Hess, if there was any truth to the allegation that he was here to meet a faction of the government who were prepared to negotiate a way out of the war for Britain.
A friend of mine was one of the last British servicemen to serve in Spandau, and he just doesn't believe 'Hess' managed to kill himself in the middle of what was essentially a massive suicide watch operation.
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A friend of mine was one of the last British servicemen to serve in Spandau, and he just doesn't believe 'Hess' managed to kill himself in the middle of what was essentially a massive suicide watch operation.

The British Army medic who examined 'Hess' in the 1970s or 80's confirmed that the person in Spandau could not be Rudolf Hess as he displayed no evidence of the wound he had received in the trenches WW1. Additional facts are that every time it was voted on by the Allied forces to release him, it was vetoed by the Soviet Union, supposedly because they wanted to keep a foothold in West Berlin; one year they didn't veto it, but another country did, Great Britain.

What may not be fact is that the plane RH took off in wasn't the one that crashed in Scotland.
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PostPosted: 17-08-2011 16:52    Post subject: Reply with quote

If there was a Hess double, how did they find someone else with that King Kong brow?
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Additional facts are that every time it was voted on by the Allied forces to release him, it was vetoed by the Soviet Union, supposedly because they wanted to keep a foothold in West Berlin; one year they didn't veto it, but another country did, Great Britain.



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Additional facts are that every time it was voted on by the Allied forces to release him, it was vetoed by the Soviet Union, supposedly because they wanted to keep a foothold in West Berlin; one year they didn't veto it, but another country did, Great Britain.


Very interesting, and highly suspicious seeing as Britain was so keen to portray the Soviet Union as the only intransigent power.

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What may not be fact is that the plane RH took off in wasn't the one that crashed in Scotland.


the version of the story that intrigues me is that in "Double Standards: the Rudolf Hess Conspiracy" by Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince. This claims the Sunderland made an unscheduled stop on Loch Mor, on the shores of which is a house used to harbour the Kaiser just after WW1 ended. They suggest this was to collect Hess. The steering gear of the plane had been sabotaged, causing it to fail to clear the high ground north of the Loch. there was one more body in the wreckage than there should have been given that there was a survivor, the tail gunner. He ignored standing orders and left the scene - rescuers arrived only about 45 minutes after the crash so he must have seen them. He presented himself at a local croft 36 hours later minus most of his uniform and insisted the crofter phone the local police, not the Air Force.
He remained silent about the incident afterwards, Picknett and Prince suggest he fled in fear of being eliminated by the assassins, the pro-Churchill faction in the government.
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PostPosted: 19-08-2011 15:25    Post subject: Reply with quote

i worked with someone the absolute double of him for years
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PostPosted: 19-08-2011 16:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i worked with someone the absolute double of him for years


What makes you think it was just a double....
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might have been a relation lol
but the origianl might have been a bit older than this guy ..
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Report into Rudolf Hess death fails to answer unexplained questions about Nazi prisoner's 'suicide'
It has been 25 years since leading Nazi Rudolf Hess died in a Berlin prison but a newly-declassified report into how it happened has apparently failed to answer unexplained questions about whether he really did kill himself.
By John-Paul Ford Rojas and Murray Wardrop
7:00AM GMT 17 Mar 2012

The publication of what is said to be a suicide note written “a few minutes before my death” by Hitler’s former deputy appears to add weight to claims that it had actually been penned nearly 20 years before when he was seriously ill.

Photographs of the “summer house” in the ground of Spandau Prison where the 93-year-old died – and the electrical cord he was said to have used to take his own life – seem to deepen the mystery even further.

Conspiracy theories have long suggested that he was murdered and the evidence covered up amid fears he was on the brink of being released – and might disclose embarrassing secrets about his time in British captivity.

His son Wolf Hess has claimed that the UK, US and France - who had long said they were prepared to consent to his release were it not for a Soviet veto - feared a new mood of openness in Gorbachev’s Kremlin would call their bluff.
He also claimed that the contents of the “suicide” note actually refer to a period in 1969 when he had a perforated ulcer in the duodenum and feared he could die.

One historian says the official text of the note in the report by the Royal Military Police’s Special Investigation Branch lends weight to the allegation.
Sceptics claim clues in the note suggest it refers to events 20 years earlier.
At that time Hess was concerned to express his regrets over his behaviour towards his one-time private secretary “Freiberg”, during the Nuremberg trials when he said: “I had to act as though I didn’t know her.”
The note was also said by his son to have used a sign-off “Euer Grohser”, or “your eldest”, that he had not used for about 20 years.

Peter Padfield, an historian who persuaded the Ministry of Defence to release the documents under Freedom of Information law, said: “The ‘suicide note’ in German appended to the report is surely bogus from the content.
“For instance, passing his regrets to Freiberg – he had done this some twenty years before when his wife and son visited him for the first time in Spandau.
“And by contrast there is no mention in the note of his grandchildren.”

The report also states that Hess killed himself using an electrical extension cable fastened to a rear window handle just 1.4m from the floor.
His son noted in 1992: “Hess was a frail 93-year-old man with no strength left in his hands, who could just barely drag himself from his cell into the garden.
“How was he supposed to have killed himself in this way? Did he hang himself with the cord from a hook or a window latch? Or did he throttle himself?”

The report states that no marks or “material of evidential value to suggest criminal involvement” was found at the scene.
But it adds: “Because of free access to the summer house by all concerned with the prisoner, the lifting of latent finger impressions was not considered practical.”

Hess was jailed for life in 1946 after being convicted of war crimes at Nuremberg.
The circumstances of his detainment at Allied hands are perhaps even more mysterious than those of his death.

Formerly Hitler’s loyal deputy, he took it upon himself to fly a plane to Scotland in 1941, apparently in an attempt to secure peace – parachuting from his Messerschmitt and being arrested by a farmer with a pitchfork.
One theory mooted last year suggested that he had been the victim of an elaborate MI6 sting, when he was persuaded that members of the Royal Family were willing to broker a peace deal with the Nazis.

He died in Berlin’s Spandau Prison on Aug 17, 1987. The report on his death was originally filed between August 25, 1987 and January 1988.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/9149066/Report-into-Rudolf-Hess-death-fails-to-answer-unexplained-questions-about-Nazi-prisoners-suicide.html
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PostPosted: 21-03-2012 02:05    Post subject: Reply with quote

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One theory mooted last year suggested that he had been the victim of an elaborate MI6 sting, when he was persuaded that members of the Royal Family were willing to broker a peace deal with the Nazis.


Implausible IMO. Why go to such lengths to capture him and then fail to maximise the propaganda value of doing so? He disappeared under a cloud of secrecy as soon as he landed, surely the government would have been parading him as a trophy.
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