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PostPosted: 01-06-2010 20:26    Post subject: Reply with quote

A magnificent book on this subject is Lost Continents - The Atlantis Theme in History, Science and Literature by L. Sprague de Camp - Dover Publications - New York.
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PostPosted: 02-06-2010 10:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

TANGRAM wrote:
A magnificent book on this subject is Lost Continents - The Atlantis Theme in History, Science and Literature by L. Sprague de Camp - Dover Publications - New York.


I'll look out for that. LSDC was certainly a great SF/Fantasy writer.
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PostPosted: 03-06-2010 17:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Has the real Atlantis finally been found... under a modern holiday paradise?
By Bettany Hughes

Atlantis: the Evidence is shown on BBC 2, 9pm, 2 June.


Yeah, Caught that last night on TV, very interesting, and a very likely possibility too. Certainly even if it is not the fabled Atlantis, the peoples of that island were very advanced on so many levels. Loved the art work.

Well I guess my theory that Atlantis was located off the west coast of Ireland won't float anymore... Razz
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PostPosted: 06-06-2010 04:04    Post subject: Atlantis Neighbors? Reply with quote

Here is my insight on Atlantis. Assuming that Plato's story is true; researchers should be looking for the neighbors. Atlantis was at war with ancient Athens and Egypt. Why haven't any researchers tried to find these civilizations? Also since the story originated at the Temple at Sais in Egypt. Researchers should be looking for this Temple. Which might have more evidence, and stories about Atlantis. The Atlantis story was much longer than what we have; but Plato only had or gave a portion of the legend. Smile
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PostPosted: 06-06-2010 07:16    Post subject: Re: Atlantis Neighbors? Reply with quote

Carljr wrote:
... Atlantis was at war with ancient Athens and Egypt. Why haven't any researchers tried to find these civilizations?


I think they may have been found already. Either that or Channel 4 are overpaying Bettany Hughes, and Zahi Hawass is going to be very, very cross.
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PostPosted: 07-06-2010 02:54    Post subject: Re: Atlantis Neighbors? Reply with quote

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Carljr wrote:
... Atlantis was at war with ancient Athens and Egypt. Why haven't any researchers tried to find these civilizations?


I think they may have been found already. Either that or Channel 4 are overpaying Bettany Hughes, and Zahi Hawass is going to be very, very cross.


Sorry, I should clarify that the Athens and Egypt we should be looking for are around 10,000 BC. Since the original story was given to Solon, and passed down to PLato. Solon lived around 600 BC; the original story was 9000 years before his time! All this assumes Plato is right; otherwise the evidence might be in the history of the Egypt and Athens we know of. Smile
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PostPosted: 07-06-2010 07:26    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plato wasn't writing history, he's writing a didatic story. The 10,000 years ago is probably the ancient Greek equivalent, of "Once upon a time.." or "A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away..."

The eruption of Santorini/Thera and the disappearance of a civilization practically overnight, passed on slightly mangled in the oral history of the Mediterranean, is a more likely candidate than a super civilization has left absolutely no trace. (Athens didn't exist 10,000 years ago by the way)

When asked Tolkien once said that the events of LOTR were about 10,000 years ago, I don't think looking for the ruins of Mordor would be very useful...(though some have tried)
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Timble2 wrote:
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The eruption of Santorini/Thera and the disappearance of a civilization practically overnight, passed on slightly mangled in the oral history of the Mediterranean, is a more likely candidate than a super civilization has left absolutely no trace. (Athens didn't exist 10,000 years ago by the way)

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The destruction of Santorini/Thera certainly fits the bill as a possible real source for the destruction of Atlantis, in many major aspects. The advanced (by the standards of the day), Bronze Age, Minoan civilisation,was probably largely destroyed in the huge catastrophe. Not 9000, but 1000 years before Plato wrote down his tale. In comparison, that's still from here back, a whole generation, before the Battle of Hastings.
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PostPosted: 07-06-2010 08:08    Post subject: Reply with quote

There have also been suggestions that the ancient Egyptian records did not in fact refer to years but to lunar months, which brings the date of the destruction of Atlantis much closer to the Thera eruption.
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PostPosted: 07-06-2010 09:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

Timble2 wrote:
When asked Tolkien once said that the events of LOTR were about 10,000 years ago, I don't think looking for the ruins of Mordor would be very useful...

I don't know - I drove through Moseley the other day...
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PostPosted: 07-06-2010 09:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

On a slight side note,tolkiens tale of numenor was inspired by atlantis and by a dream of a huge wave engulfing him which ceased when he finished the story.
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Last time I went to Santorini the diggings at Akrotiri were closed for safety reasons, which was a bit disappointing- but they have a nice museum in Fira with full-size reproductions. The fresco wiith the fleet of ships is fascinating - a cartoon strip showing Bronze Age sea-going technology in some detail.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Minoan_fleet_freeze_from_Akrotiri_fragment.gif

This was a major civilisation on Thera, not just an obscure Minoan colony.
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Lost city of Atlantis, swamped by tsunami, may be found

By Zach Howard Zach Howard – Sat Mar 12, 11:36 am ET

NORTHAMPTON, Mass (Reuters) – A U.S.-led research team may have finally located the lost city of Atlantis, the legendary metropolis believed swamped by a tsunami thousands of years ago in mud flats in southern Spain.

"This is the power of tsunamis," head researcher Richard Freund told Reuters.

"It is just so hard to understand that it can wipe out 60 miles inland, and that's pretty much what we're talking about," said Freund, a University of Hartford, Connecticut, professor who lead an international team searching for the true site of Atlantis.

To solve the age-old mystery, the team used a satellite photo of a suspected submerged city to find the site just north of Cadiz, Spain. There, buried in the vast marshlands of the Dona Ana Park, they believe that they pinpointed the ancient, multi-ringed dominion known as Atlantis.

The team of archeologists and geologists in 2009 and 2010 used a combination of deep-ground radar, digital mapping, and underwater technology to survey the site.

Freund's discovery in central Spain of a strange series of "memorial cities," built in Atlantis' image by its refugees after the city's likely destruction by a tsunami, gave researchers added proof and confidence, he said.

Atlantis residents who did not perish in the tsunami fled inland and built new cities there, he added.

The team's findings will be unveiled on Sunday in "Finding Atlantis," a new National Geographic Channel special.

While it is hard to know with certainty that the site in Spain in Atlantis, Freund said the "twist" of finding the memorial cities makes him confident Atlantis was buried in the mud flats on Spain's southern coast.

"We found something that no one else has ever seen before, which gives it a layer of credibility, especially for archeology, that makes a lot more sense," Freund said.

Greek philosopher Plato wrote about Atlantis some 2,600 years ago, describing it as "an island situated in front of the straits which are by you called the Pillars of Hercules," as the Straits of Gibraltar were known in antiquity. Using Plato's detailed account of Atlantis as a map, searches have focused on the Mediterranean and Atlantic as the best possible sites for the city.

Tsunamis in the region have been documented for centuries, Freund says. One of the largest was a reported 10-story tidal wave that slammed Lisbon in November, 1755.

Debate about whether Atlantis truly existed has lasted for thousands of years. Plato's "dialogues" from around 360 B.C. are the only known historical sources of information about the iconic city. Plato said the island he called Atlantis "in a single day and night... disappeared into the depths of the sea."

Experts plan further excavations are planned at the site where they believe Atlantis is located and at the mysterious "cities" in central Spain 150 miles away to more closely study geological formations and to date artifacts.

SOURCE: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_tsunami_atlantis
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Lost city of Atlantis, swamped by tsunami, may be found

By Zach Howard Zach Howard – Sat Mar 12, 11:36 am ET

NORTHAMPTON, Mass (Reuters) – A U.S.-led research team may have finally located the lost city of Atlantis, the legendary metropolis believed swamped by a tsunami thousands of years ago in mud flats in southern Spain.

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SOURCE: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_tsunami_atlantis

More:

http://first-news.blogspot.com/2011/03/has-university-of-hartford-professor.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycKF-bOGnUA
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Lost city of Atlantis 'buried in Spanish wetlands'
The lost city of Atlantis is buried under marshland on the South Atlantic coast of Spain, a new documentary has claimed.
By Edward Owen in Madrid 4:41PM GMT 14 Mar 2011

The film, Finding Atlantis, was screened by the National Geographic Channel in the US on Sunday and fronted by Professor Richard Freund, from Hartford University in Connecticut.

Professor Freund explained how he led a pursuit to find the lost civilisation, believed by many to be an ancient Greek myth, by using deep-ground radar, digital mapping and satellite imagery.

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His film company, Associated Producers of Canada, added: "Besides identifying the location of the city, they discovered a stele that may have stood at the entrance to the ancient civilisation. It records the long lost symbol of Atlantis."

The film's claims however were on Monday dismissed as having no reliable basis in scientific fact and of misinterpreting partial results [from] an investigation by a team of distinguished Spanish scientists. Since 2005 they have been working on the site at a huge national park and bird sanctuary near Cadiz.

Juan Villarías-Robles, an anthropologist with the Spanish government's scientific research body, CSIC, says Professor Freund appeared [to have] sensationalised their work.
Mr Villarías-Robles was part of a team investigating ancient geomorphology and settlements in Donaña, Europe's largest wetlands.
He said satellite photos of Donaña's massive wetlands, west of Gibraltar, seemed to show buried rectangular buildings and concentric circles of a buried city near a beach.

"Richard Freund was a newcomer to our project and appeared to be involved in his own very controversial issue concerning King Solomon's search for ivory and gold in Tartessos, the well documented settlement in the Donaña area established in the first millennium BC.
"He became involved in what we were doing and provided funding for probes through his connections with National Geographic and Associated Producers.
"He left and the film company told us the documentary would be finished in April or May. But we did not hear from him and are very surprised it has appeared so soon and makes such fanciful claims."

Mr Villarías-Robles, who also dismissed claims of the "memorial cities", said his team planned to offer their own conclusions later this year

The theory that Atlantis is buried in the Spanish wetlands is the latest in a long line of suggested locations. In 2004, US ocean researchers said they were convinced they had found evidence of Atlantis off the coast of Cyprus. Others include various Mediterranean islands, Central America and even Antarctica.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/8381219/Lost-city-of-Atlantis-buried-in-Spanish-wetlands.html
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