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PostPosted: 11-08-2001 23:46    Post subject: Reincarnation Reply with quote

Can anyone explain the theory of reincarnation, as I understand it, when you die you are reincarnated into a new persona.
Question:...do you get to choose who you become or is it left to chance, if so why is it that people who claim to remember past lives are always of the same ethnisitty, ie, white people never seem to come back as black, asian, or oriental.
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PostPosted: 12-08-2001 00:32    Post subject: Reply with quote

For Hindus, it's a part of their regular religion rather
than a weird and unusual event. I think most modern cases
come from India.

The race thing is interesting but modern sceptics have also
noticed that some Indian youngsters have attached
themselves to higher caste families by claiming to be
reincarnated sons or daughters.

People have been found to contain multitudes, especially
under hypnosis. In the nineteen twenties, an American
housewife called Pearl Curran started to write historical
novels dictated by an altar ego. They were said at the
time to have impressed the historians, though they are
seldom seen now.

Many anomalous phenomena seem to be classified under
different headings for different degrees of duration. The
temporary Spirit Guides and channelled entities of a medium
do not seem very different from the more extended identity
crisis of the "reincarnated" soul.

One of the classic early German cases had an orphan girl
who was able to recite swathes of Latin, though it turned
out that she had spent her earliest years in the care of a Pastor,
where she may have picked it up parrot fashion.

It is said that we forget nothing. It is also true that the split
mind can process information unconsciously and create competing
identities. How far we can tune in to other places and other
minds is always a matter of speculation.

I guess reincarnation is just another form of expanded consciousness.
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PostPosted: 12-08-2001 05:08    Post subject: Reply with quote

If reincarnation takes plave then shouldn't the world population be fairly constant? Or is there a mechanism to cover this?
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PostPosted: 12-08-2001 11:24    Post subject: Reply with quote

tinfoilpants wrote:

If reincarnation takes plave then shouldn't the world population be fairly constant? Or is there a mechanism to cover this?


Reminds me of an SF story I read years ago. Medical authorities are worried by the soaring rate of "idiot child" births -- children who are fully functional at the physical level, but are growing up showing no signs of a cogitating mind. You're prob'ly ahead of me with the explanation: There's only so many minds to go round (and round, and round), and with the ever-rising birth rate ...
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PostPosted: 12-08-2001 15:45    Post subject: i have heard.... Reply with quote

....that the number of "warrior soul,s" is 144,000.....but what do i know!!!!!
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PostPosted: 12-08-2001 16:04    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe the extinction rate and depletion of animal numbers makes up for it... there could be millions of children who are reincarnated great auks, quaggas, Galapagos tortoises and dodos.
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PostPosted: 12-08-2001 22:01    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don Mills wrote:



Reminds me of an SF story I read years ago. Medical authorities are worried by the soaring rate of "idiot child" births -- children who are fully functional at the physical level, but are growing up showing no signs of a cogitating mind. You're prob'ly ahead of me with the explanation: There's only so many minds to go round (and round, and round), and with the ever-rising birth rate ...
This is an interesting point, perhaps new souls are imported from other parts of the galaxy and that our Fortean names are correct after all.
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PostPosted: 13-08-2001 03:17    Post subject: Re: REINCARNATION Reply with quote

p.younger wrote:

do you get to choose who you become or is it left to chance, if so why is it that people who claim to remember past lives are always of the same ethnisitty, ie, white people never seem to come back as black, asian, or oriental.


Actually, not true. There's a book (which I can't remember the title of right now) in my University library. It was fascinating. This researcher had taken all these past life regressions and made a database of them. He (or she) then compared all the data. He found that the lives reflected the historical record. For example, the number of past lives one has that are poor compared to those that are wealthy co-relate to the percentage of people who are rich/poor in reality, meaning you're more likely to be poor in a past life than rich. Also the race of the past life was broken down into percentages that reflected the races throughout history, meaning that people were having past life regressions that are not only one race. This sounds a little muddled since it's been awhile since I've read this book.

As for the number of people being reincarnated, whoever said there was a set number of souls? Or that they all come to earth at the same time Smile

There are many books that discuss reincarnation, both pro and con, that can answer your questions. In particular check out books on children's past lives. Probably the most convincing evidence since children are less likely to experience cryptomnesia (remembering forgotten facts).

I don't believe every past life regression is true. One of the reason's I've never had one is because I'm highly imaginative and I wouldn't trust the regression as being real, and not made up. But I have seen regressions that are astounding, usually in their mundaneness.

I could go on and on, I'm fascinated by this Smile But I'll stop there. Others can express it better. Go to the library and see what they've got.

Michael.
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PostPosted: 13-08-2001 05:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps souls and minds get divided between the available new bodies. This would explain the rise in popularity of being a stupid scumbag. If animals have an effect p'raps we should go culling for the sake of humanity.
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PostPosted: 22-08-2001 20:55    Post subject: A Question of re-incarnation Reply with quote

When reincarnated, do you keep your personality from a previous life? Or do you become a totally new person both physically and mentally?
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PostPosted: 22-08-2001 23:40    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely the whole point of reincarnation is that something gets carried over from life to life. If nothing is then you have good old materialistic death.
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PostPosted: 23-08-2001 02:21    Post subject: Reply with quote

Life after death is full of social problems, I guess.

My mother used to ponder the notion of Eternity Catholic-
style and she was much troubled by the case of second
marriages. With which partner did one go on for ever?

Reincarnation means the same spirit in a different body. I
think the notion of awareness of past lives in detail as a
personal possession, so to speak, is very much a product of the
Me Generation.

The Hindu notion was that you could evolve or regress on the
spiritual plane. There have been no cases so far as I know
where people under hypnosis have admitted to having being
very aspirational slugs. Sad
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PostPosted: 28-08-2001 17:25    Post subject: Divided souls Reply with quote

Funnily enough, that sort of fits the Ancient Greek legend of humans originally having two heads and four arms and having been split by the gods - we're each destined to seek out other half.

However, if souls were divided up to fill the vacancies, surely we see more extremes in both directions - more scumbags and more saints. (As it reached critical, we'd have Ragnarok...
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PostPosted: 29-08-2001 09:58    Post subject: Reply with quote

What if we were all in some sort of constant subconcious telepathic communion with each other? Wouldn't it be possible to archive ones memories in other peoples' brains? In that case reincarnation might just be downloading the past experiences of dead people. The older the memories the more copies might be floating around, which would explain why Elizabeth I has been reincarnated so d+mn often, it's also possible that some memories are, subconciously, more popular than others.

It would be a kind of psychic internet! Just a thought... Wink

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PostPosted: 29-08-2001 10:26    Post subject: Sinister Reply with quote

Well there's a sinister thought - how do you tell the difference between reincarnation and possession from an early age? Is there a moral difference?

I read about a very nasty deathbed ritual (medieval?) where the mage OBEs and displaces the soul of a foetus in order to be reborn. His henchmen, meanwhile, mutilate his body to discourage his soul's return. Virgil supposedly attempted this.

The spooky thing about children's reincarnation experiences, is that - if true - they're all carrying around dead people [shudder].

Are people who collect stuffed toys really just filling the void left by children they had in a past life?

And check yourself for odd birthmarks - they're supposed to be the site of deathwounds. Not a cosy thought.

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