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theyithian Keeping the British end up
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| Ronson8 Things can only get better.
Great Old One Joined: 31 Jul 2001 Total posts: 6061 Location: MK Gender: Male |
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| Thanks for that, very interesting, it's quite long but if anyone watches it I'd be interested to here their views. |
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| rynner2 What a Cad!
Great Old One Joined: 13 Dec 2008 Total posts: 21365 Location: Under the moon Gender: Male |
| Posted: 02-08-2013 22:02 Post subject: |
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I'm fascinated by all such reincarnation stories, but this one is not about India, or America, but about somewhere I've been to a few times (well, I've been to Castlebay on Barra a few times).
But as usual with Youtube the image doesn't always sync with the sound, and my hearing is poor anyway, so I probably missed some of the subtleties of the Glasgow accent!
Like most such stories, there's enough to intrigue, but not quite enough to stand up in a court of law.
And perhaps reincarnation is just a simplified explanation of a deeper and more complex phenomenon, maybe something along the lines of the Akashic Records:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akashic_records |
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| Ronson8 Things can only get better.
Great Old One Joined: 31 Jul 2001 Total posts: 6061 Location: MK Gender: Male |
| Posted: 02-08-2013 22:40 Post subject: |
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| Yes, as with many of these reports, they get tantalisingly close to being convincing but always with an element of doubt. |
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| kamalktk Great Old One Joined: 05 Feb 2011 Total posts: 705 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 08-08-2013 19:36 Post subject: |
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| Ronson8 wrote: | | Thanks for that, very interesting, it's quite long but if anyone watches it I'd be interested to here their views. |
There were a lot of what a psychic would call hits, but at the end they emphasized the few misses on the most specific details.
One "miss" was the father's name being Shane instead of what it was, but they also said his full name was Seamus xxxx xxxx, apparently he went by his middle name. Seamus/Shane is not so far apart and I suppose could be chalked up to the child using the father's real first name. I found it odd that he knew the name of his Barra father, but not his Barra mum, he always referred to his father by name, but his mum was always "Barra mother". If he knew his mum's name it was something they could check for a match, but it was not mentioned.
The next was the father dying in a car accident. Didn't happen according to the family member.
The third miss was the program asked the family member about a dying boy and she said there weren't any childhood deaths. However, the boy never said that he died (at least during the show), he always said he "fell down a dark hole and wound up here" with his family in Glasgow. If you're already going to entertain the idea of reincarnation, this leaves alternate fortean explanations open. For instance did the Barra version of the boy suddenly have a change in personality at some point (perhaps because his soul had left his body without dying only to wind up reincarnated in Glasgow)?
He had a lot of "hits", but many of these are rather generic, for instance a white house near the sea, on an island where most all the houses are white and near the sea.
There were some intermediate level hits such as the family name, given enough people you would be very likely to find someone with the right family name. The existence/color of the dog (which wasn't the family dog but apparently a friend/neighbor's dog, though a young child might not get the difference). |
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| Ronson8 Things can only get better.
Great Old One Joined: 31 Jul 2001 Total posts: 6061 Location: MK Gender: Male |
| Posted: 08-08-2013 23:07 Post subject: |
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| Yes it's all very confusing it's as if he was mixing up more than one previous life. |
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| kamalktk Great Old One Joined: 05 Feb 2011 Total posts: 705 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 09-08-2013 00:16 Post subject: |
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| Ronson8 wrote: | | Yes it's all very confusing it's as if he was mixing up more than one previous life. |
Yes, I believe someone in the video alluded to that as a possibility. The boy did get a lot of things correct, but I suppose they wouldn't have made a show about a boy who got everything wrong.
When the family found the actual house of the family and went to it, he seemed to identify it though the mum says they didn't tell him it was the family house. On the other hand they didn't show him going into other houses, so he could have known consciously or not that this house was special. |
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| escargot1 Joined: 24 Aug 2001 Total posts: 17896 Location: Farkham Hall Age: 4 Gender: Female |
| Posted: 09-08-2013 09:08 Post subject: |
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When we saw it a few years ago I had the impression that it was all baloney, as one'd expect. All the 'hits' were predictable, like the 'white house near the sea' mentioned above, and the boy didn't get any really crucial details right.
What I found most interesting was why the child was insisting that he'd had another life in the first place. I've met people whose children have talked like this, British people with no culture of reincarnation, and they're just baffled. Unlike the family in the documentary though, without a specific location to investigate they just have to be content with the kid's nightmares and tall tales.
It's a puzzle. As this programme shows, there aren't any solid answers. |
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| Ademordna Grey Joined: 02 Aug 2013 Total posts: 16 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 22-09-2013 22:24 Post subject: |
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I didn't get a chance to read the entire thread, but has anyone read Allen Kardec?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Kardec
I don't really gel with the Christian slant, but a lot of what he described really resonates with me. I can't recall very much of the details, but I think he claimed to converse with higher spirits via a medium.
Some of the concepts struck me as quite fascinating, many even 'before their time', so to speak.
Worth a look, if you can bear wading through the spiritism stuff to get to the gems. I think the actual conversations with spirits are online somewhere, I read them back in 2006....... |
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| JamesWhitehead Piffle Prospector Joined: 02 Aug 2001 Total posts: 5779 Location: Manchester, UK Gender: Male |
| Posted: 23-09-2013 00:23 Post subject: |
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Kardec's Spiritism struck a chord with many people, especially in Latin America, though it seems only to be fully acredited as a religion in Canada:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritism
The prolific Chico Xavier seems to have been responsible for the spread of Spiritism in Brazil.
"Wading through the Spiritism stuff," might be time-consuming - Xavier wrote some 450 books - but as these were supposedly dictated by the spirits, I don't see how you can really skip them!  |
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