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PostPosted: 16-12-2001 23:01    Post subject: THEORIES ON CATTLE MUTILATIONS Reply with quote

Does anyone else out there actually think (for a change) that these cattle mutilations are actually nothing to do with UFOs ? I strongly believe in the unmarked helicopter theory with regards to possible military/government involvement, and some sort of secret testing going on, not necessarily with extraterrestrial technology, but our own inventions. Maybe we are keeping our eyes on diseases or local effects on cattle for future reference. But why such sinister operations, such as just dumping the cows ? Or, as some ufologists believe, is there a cover-up by the miltary etc, to distract us from real alien interventions ?
Also, has anyone read Timothy Good's books and what do they make of these reports of undersea bases etc, in places such as Peurto Rico ?
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PostPosted: 17-12-2001 12:05    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely if it was the goverment wouldn't they take the bodies, maybe incinerate them somewhere. It would be less suspicous if farmers just reported a few of their livestock vanishing then finding their bodies in their fields with strange wounds that are obviously not caused by predators. Or maybe the goverment is purposely trying to draw suspicion away from themselves by assuming people will jump to the conclusion that aliens are responsible.It's a very strange phenomenon.
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PostPosted: 17-12-2001 12:09    Post subject: Cattle mutilations Reply with quote

Does anybody else think that the numbers of these have gone down or have the press just got board of the whole thing and moved on to something else? - I seem to remember them being all the rage a few years ago.
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PostPosted: 17-12-2001 12:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

A recent issue of UFO magazine showed that quite a few still occur most years. This issue focused on UK cases, mainly involving sheep mutilations. I'm afraid I can't remember the issue number or date but it was fairly recent. I think they are mainly reported in local newspapers now,if at all.
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PostPosted: 17-12-2001 13:15    Post subject: Re: THEORIES ON CATTLE MUTILATIONS Reply with quote

NEIL wrote:

I strongly believe in the unmarked helicopter theory with regards to possible military/government involvement

Don't these reports pre-date manned flight?
I'm sure that I remember reading something which linked the wounds on the cattle to those wounds that would be found when performing ancient animal sacrifices. This of course doesn't explain the laser precission of the wounds and the lack of any pools of blood or the lack of ground disturbance around the dead animal.
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PostPosted: 17-12-2001 20:29    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the same amount of mutilations occur, it is just that some 'mysteries' die down within the media fraternity, i.e. abductions, crop circles, Nessie sightings, goatsucker etc. What we need is updates but books can be thin on the ground, video's are almost non-existent and so the net seems the best place.
There have been reports of farmers and ranchers seeing their cattle lifted by unseen 'abductors'. I wonder if cattle are the only animal to be treated in such a way ? I know that sheep were mentioned with regards to British mutilations, but in the States it does seem to be confined to cows...this just seems more militant than alien. It seems that more black helicopters have been sighted than UFOs. Strange lights have been seen at night over fields but silent unseen helicopters would look quite eerie. It also seems as though only certain parts of the cattle are taken, i.e. tongues, genital areas, jaw bones etc. I think we tend to blame everything on the aliens when we can't find a solution, i.e. Bermuda Triangle (whatever happened to that ?) and the crop circles which no-one has really explained.There just seems to be one mystery after another to keep the human race going.
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PostPosted: 17-12-2001 22:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm afraid that I can't back this reference up, but I believe that there was some talk of cattle mutilations being mentioned in Native American (note how vague I am on this) oral traditions.
They used to put it down to the Trickster, which is as good an explanation as any.
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PostPosted: 18-12-2001 00:03    Post subject: Reply with quote

There were accounts of mutilations & poisonings of horses in Britain, during the 1800's.

At the time, it was seen as the rural underclass in secret revolt & there were also claims of barns & ricks being burnt!!!!
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PostPosted: 29-12-2001 00:50    Post subject: Animal mutilations Reply with quote

Has anyone come across any reports of "wild " animal bodies discovered showing signs of intelligent(!?) mutilation?

Has the incidence of domesticated animal mutilation reports decreased/increased since the Foot and mouth outbreaks?
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PostPosted: 21-07-2002 01:31    Post subject: New Wave Argentine Cattle Mutilations Reply with quote

I don't think I have seen any mention on the board of events in
Argentina, which seems to be in the middle of a cattle mutilation
epidemic. This is one of the latest reports. There are many more
on the Rense site:


http://www.rense.com/general27/incredible19cows.htm

Source El Diario del Sur de Cordoba-Villa Maria
July 9, 2002 _
Cows Found Inside a Water Tank
The Strange Case of Suco
Investigated by El Diario _ On the last Friday of June 2002, an event of truly strange characteristics took place in a field of the locality of Suco, located to the west of Rio Cuarto, very near the border with San Luis Province. In the aforementioned Cordoban locality, a well-known livestock producer respected by all for his responsibility and honesty, found 19 dead animals within an Australian-type water tank (translators note: steel-sided, sheet metal tank with a conical cap). Nine of the bovines were dead, according to subsequent medical-veterinarian examinations due to asphyxiation through immersion. The rest were alive, but affected by the low temperatures and near dead due to freezing. _ The news not only spread like wildfire throughout the area: it was confirmed by police officials of Regional Unit 7, headquartered at Rio Cuarto, who took over the investigation of the case employing personnel from the Sampacho District Sheriff's Office, located 50 kilometers west of Rio Cuarto on National Hwy. 8. What no one could explain is how the 19 animals could have entered the enormous water tank, bearing in mind that they first had to cross an electric drover (sic), then a 1.50 meter tall fence, and finally, "jump" over the tank wall. _ Two days alter, in a field bordering the first one, the farmhands and owners of the property found a cow that showed the same signs of mutilations suffered by bovines in ranches of Buenos Aires, La Pampa, Mendoza, Southern Cordoba, etc. This time, the mutilated animal had given birth to a calf, although it was stressed that only the mother was affected in this case, showing burns and precise incisions in different parts of the carcass, as though experts had deftly used a special type of scalpel. These cases, according to the statements of a veterinarian named Cumin, who lives in Sampacho, have been investigated from the onset by specialists from the School of Veterinary Medicine of the National University of Rio Cuarto, althought they have not received any report that allows them to explain what has really happened. _ Those who have dedicated themselves to the possible existence of other forms of life, of UFOs and their consequences, posited the challenging possibility that what they term "teleportations" occured in this case, thus "explaining" how a lot of 19 animals of large size and weight could have been conveyed by an unknown force from a common and accustomed place (a cow pen) to a strange one (the interior of a water tank), an action that is illogical in both method and objective. If so, these repeated events do away with the efforts aimed at explaining the events and which lay the blame on both "red-muzzled mice" and "carnivorous bees" and "cattle rustlers". _ It was acknowledged yesterday that a pasture owner in La Silleta, Province of Salta, found a dead pig showing the characteristics of a mutilated animal, lacking maxillaries, tongue or eyes. _This is how veterinarian Juan Carlos Gimenez Monje discussed the subject. He visited the farm after receiving a call from the owner and added: "I took the animal over to SENASA in Salta and they sent it off to Buenos Aires." The veterinarian explains the situation as being due to the fact that "the agricultural producers stopped using herbicides because of the high cost, then vermin and wild animals can reoccupy the fields once more. Agricultural activity," he added, "consists of zero farming nowadays, and the plough, which used to destroy rodent burrows, no longer enters the fields." _ What the expert could not explain was how wild animals could extract the organs in the fashion detailed earlier, with precise cuts, and further having cauterized the wounds. _ Translation (C) 2002. Scott Corrales, Institute of Hispanic Ufology.
Special thanks to Alicia Rossi and Jorge Luis Gorno, Villa Maria
UFO Research Group.
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PostPosted: 21-07-2002 06:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

A truly strange story.

But as usual we are left wanting to know more. The impossibility of the cattle jumping into the tank is stressed, but in any case the tank apparently hasa conical lid. Is there any opening large enough for cattle to enter?

And how were they discovered there in a closed tank? If I was a rancher who was missing 19 cattle, I'd probably think "Rustlers!". I don't think a closed water tank would be high on my list of places to search.

If this story is true, I hope and expect to hear more about it.
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PostPosted: 23-07-2002 02:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny you should mention rustlers, rynner . . .

I didn't expect to be posting a follow up tale from the UK,
but this weird one is in this morning's Guardian:


Rustlers fear as cows found dead

Tania Branigan
Tuesday July 23, 2002
The Guardian

Police fear that cattle rustlers are on the loose in Gloucestershire after 14 valuable cows were found dead in a listed building close to their grazing land.
The rotting corpses of the Belgian Blue, Limousin and Charolais cows, which were worth around £9,000, were found on July 19 after a resident investigated the stench in the area. They had been missing from their herd for four days.
Vets believe the two-year-old animals, destined for the slaughterhouse, suffocated within a few hours of being pushed into a room only 4m by 4m in the unoccupied Cotswold stone building at Woodchester, near Stroud.
"It was a horrible sight. They were all lying on top of each other," said Maria Montesdeoca, who runs the farm with her partner, David Excell. "It was really upsetting. I know at the end of the day they are put on your table, but you don't like to think of them suffering as they did."
She added: "It's obviously someone professional who knows what they were doing. The other 14 cattle in the herd would not have been as valuable because they were Aberdeen Angus."
It would also take considerable experience to herd the cattle into such a tiny space.
She added: "It looks as if they were put in there to move on. Whether they were disturbed and couldn't come back or they came back and the animals were already dead, we don't know."
Ms Montesdeoca fed the animals on the Sunday evening, but found they had vanished when she returned the following morning.
"We searched high and low and had the local farmers out looking on the neighbouring common," she said.
"The vet's report was that they probably suffocated within a couple of hours."
Gloucestershire police said the RSPCA was involved in the investigation and warned farmers to be vigilant.
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PostPosted: 23-07-2002 06:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blimey!

I'm looking around me as I type - this room is about the size mentioned, and I can't imagine 14 cattle in here...

A listed building... Cotswold stone... I imagine a neglected country mansion. Something surreal about that, somehow reminiscent to me of the final scenes in 2001.

Again, I'd like more info. Does this room have a door direct to the outside, or did the cattle have to come in through a hallway? (I hope they wiped their feet.)

I think I'll stick with "They were teleported by Aliens" for the time being.... Smile

There were several reported cases of mass cattle teleportations involved in the Welsh Triangle UFO flap, back in the 70s, although in that case the cattle were all still alive (and unmutilated). IIRC, a herd of cattle disappeared from a securely locked enclosure and were discovered several miles away. This apparently happened far faster than possible, if you consider the time taken to load the cattle into a transporter (all without the farmer noticing) drive elsewhere and unload again.

There was no suggestion of rustling in this case, and the whole thing seems motiveless as a prank - there are far easier ways to wind someone up. Likewise the farmer had no reason to make up the story and attract ridicule. (I lived in the area myself a few years after these events, and I know the local people are very level-headed.)

Edit: The case I was referring to was in Pembrokeshire (Dyfed), south west Wales (This link details the whole UFO flap, with pictures and maps.)


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PostPosted: 23-07-2002 08:30    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's another Welsh Triangle link (But I cannot find if the book itself is still available anywhere.)

This is about RAF Brawdy, which is at the NE corner of St Brides Bay. (Ripperston farm is on the S side.) The allegations here are that the US Navy had a submarine listening post there, where various undersea cables came ashore, and was all very hush-hush...

I have not been able to find anything else about the nuclear shelter mentioned in the link in my previous post.
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PostPosted: 23-07-2002 20:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

We may be missing the political dimension to this. The Guardian
is currently flagging the story as follows:

Rustlers fear as cows found dead
Police fear that cattle rustlers are on the loose in Gloucestershire after 14 valuable cows were found dead in a listed building close to their grazing land.
Special report: the Conservative party


Clicking on the bottom line takes you to a page with a picture of
Anne Widdecombe! Eek Eek
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