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PostPosted: 10-09-2004 08:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep - pretty much the same objections for this being a 'military thing' also count for the 'alien thing' too. If we take abduction stories at face value, it seems that the ETs can gather samples from humans less obtrusively and so one wonders why they don't do the same thing with livestock. Then again, these are the same ETs who fly around in brightly lit craft and have a tendency to land in the middle of roads. Obviously subtlety isn't their thing Wink Not that this means that the root cause of these events lies with alleged ETs, of course.
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PostPosted: 10-09-2004 09:54    Post subject: Reply with quote

TVgeek wrote:



P.S. Has anyone heard of the "supressed"
(by local law enforcement) rumors of humans
being found in this condition?


I'm sure I have heard of cases of human mutilations. I'm sure there was something in a police magazine my Dad brought home in about 1980 about a man being found dead with burns from an unknown acid after a spate of UFO encounters in Yorkshire - includin one reported by a Policeman.
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PostPosted: 10-09-2004 09:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is very strange that the perpetrator of these acts (whoever it is) doesn't try to be more discreet.
Killing livestock, cutting out huge chunks and leaving it all on display is very unsubtle.
Baffled I am.
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PostPosted: 10-09-2004 10:06    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I have found a link to the case in 1980:

http://www.prufos.co.uk/police_related_ufo_investigation.htm
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THE ZYGMUND ADAMSKI FILE - 1980

An elderly polish male popped out to the local shop in Tingley, Wakefield, West Yorkshire on June 6th 1980 and disappeared. Five days later his body was found at the top of a stack of coal over fifty miles away in the town of Todmorden. What follows is one of Britains' most bizarre missing person/sudden death cases. Coincidentally it features one of the police officers featured on the 'on duty' page of this website - ALAN GODFREY.


It also includes a case of cattle mutilation.
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PostPosted: 10-09-2004 10:09    Post subject: Reply with quote

IIRC, the 1980 case was discussed elsewhere on this forum.
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PostPosted: 10-09-2004 10:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

JerryB wrote:

IIRC, the 1980 case was discussed elsewhere on this forum.
Thanks, I shall look it up!

Edit: I have searched for it - I can't find it anywhere!


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if its not the military doing this,then how do we explain the sightings of unmarked helicopters seen in the area,prior to, or after,the mutilations have happened?
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Well, (a) they may be fabrications, and (b) whether they're truly 'unmarked' is open to question. Again, one has to question the logic behind this - why draw attention to whatever you're doing by buzzing the area in black helicopters?

It seems that some that look into this phenomena can't make up their minds - it's assumed to be either some govt/military thing (black helicopters) or ETs (anomalous lights, 'UFOs', etc.), depending on which 'theory' you buy into. There's probably some blending of both sides too.
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PostPosted: 04-10-2004 21:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great link with article on possible military/black ops involvement in mutilations:

http://www.nidsci.org/pdf/cattledeaths_tse_epidemic.pdf

Horrible story regarding potential human mutilations (beware - not for the faint of heart):

http://www.angelfire.com/zine/UFORCE/page74.html
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But that still brings us back to the question as to why such things are being done for all to see, when it would be much simpler to just do any experimentation covertly and in a controlled/secure environment. It seems a bit daft to do everything in secret, and then at some point dump the leftovers in a field and buzz the area in a helicopter roll eyes (sarcastic)
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Another good article on the helicopter/ufo connection to animal mutilations. http://www.nidsci.org/pdf/wolverton_report.pdf
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PostPosted: 14-10-2004 19:36    Post subject: Reply with quote

The NIDSCI article I pointed to a few posts ago suggests that the reason the military/black ops guys leave the cow carcasses lying around for us to find is to serve as a sort of clue or warning, so that we will figure out, eventually, that they're testing for mad cow disease. I don't find that at all convincing myself, though I could buy the rest of the "mad cow testing" theory.

It could be simple arrogance. Since the mainstream doesn't lend any credence to cattle mutilations anyway, why bother hiding the evidence? Or maybe their secret sleuthy helicopters that come silently in the night are not capable of lifting a cow on top of all the medical equipment they have to lug around. Or maybe thay have to do too many cows per night to haul them all away.

Maybe there's some disinformation value in leaving the carcasses around. Maybe they want us to believe its space aliens.
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Then again, why let us in at all on the fact that they're doing such experiments? Why not just do them in secure areas and not have to worry about anyone seeing the 'leftovers'? They could easily set up a facility in a secure area somewhere where the whole process could be carried out away from prying eyes, and the remians could be incinerated - and nobody would be any the wiser. None of it would be at all difficult to do. It seems to me that there are just too many logical arguments counter to all of the 'black ops' arguements.
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PostPosted: 15-07-2005 02:39    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mike Conley: Cattle mutilation alive and well today

By MIKE CONLEY
Thursday, July 7, 2005



Last week, the History Channel presented a new documentary on the weird phenomenon called cattle mutilations. Although I didn’t get to watch the entire program, I saw enough to let me know that the phenomenon is alive and well in 2005 - even if the cattle are dead.

Cattle mutilation is the term given to the thousands of cases where farm animals are found dead and their bodies mutilated in a strange way. The cause of death is undetermined (they don’t appear to have been shot or poisoned) and all of the blood has been removed from their bodies. And strangest of all, certain body parts are found surgically removed from the cattle, usually the reproductive and rectal organs. A cow’s udders are sometimes found removed as well. The incisions are always performed neatly and precisely with almost no blood at the scene.

Investigators will find abnormally high levels of radiation around the places where the dead animals are discovered. In some cases, the cattle are found marked with a kind of fluorescent paint. Buzzards and other scavengers will not touch the carcasses. No footprints or signs of a struggle are found around the scene. Investigators will often discover clamp marks on the animals’ legs that indicate they were taken from their pastures, killed and mutilated elsewhere and then brought back, according to a Web site.

People will report seeing UFOs at around the same time that the cattle mutilations occur. This has led many to suspect that aliens from outer space are responsible for the weird phenomenon. Most of the cases come from North America but other parts of the world have experienced it as well. Sheep and horses have also been the victims.

The phenomena began in the fall of 1973 when farmers in Minnesota and Kansas reported finding dead, mutilated cattle. The local police in both states looked into the matter but realized that this was nothing like anything else they had ever seen. They first suspected this was the work of some kind of satanic cult.

Later, more reported cattle mutilations occurred throughout the Midwestern United States and central Canada. Farmers and ranchers were concerned and afraid about what was happening to their livestock. They had heard nothing during the night when their valuable cattle were killed and mutilated. They wanted answers.

As the years went by, investigators put forward four theories to explain the cattle mutilations: satanic cults and ritual sacrifices, top secret government projects involving chemical weapons, mass hysteria blowing the thing out of proportion and most popular of all, experiments by alien visitors in UFOs.

In some cases, police were able to link the mutilations to satanic cults in Idaho, Montana, Iowa and Alberta, Canada. But that could not explain the other cases quickly coming from all over the world.

As for the secret government project theory, folks have reported spotting black, unmarked helicopters with tinted windows and searchlights at the same time when cattle mutilations are occurring. But again, this cannot explain the other cases that have come in from other countries. Are all the governments where this occurs involved in some kind of worldwide conspiracy?

And I don’t believe that these are natural deaths blown out of proportion. I have seen photos and video footage of the mutilated cattle. A farmer or rancher would have good reason to be concerned if he went out one morning and found this. Someone or something apparently drained the blood and neatly removed the sexual or rectal organs. This takes time and some degree of planning. A wolf or a coyote would not leave cattle in such a state.

So, we are still left with the extraterrestrial theory. Cattle mutilations often occur in such UFO-related places as northern New Mexico and near the secret government installation in Nevada called Area 51. Some folks have even reported seeing a UFO lift the animals off the ground with an invisible force. Two people who reported to have been abducted by aliens also said they witnessed a cattle mutilation inside the UFO, according to a Web site.

But this must bring little consolation to the farmer or rancher who has lost some valuable livestock and doesn’t know how to keep it from happening again.


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Tales of the Weird: Cattle mutilation column sparks much response

Marion McDowell News
Thursday, July 14, 2005



Editor's note: Tales of the Weird appears on The McDowell News Opinion Page. It is presented for entertainment purposes. Credible scientific evidence does not support paranormal claims.

For more than two years now, this column has highlighted such weird phenomena as ghosts and haunted places, UFO sightings, Bigfoot, the Bermuda Triangle, psychic abilities and unexplained disappearances. But none of my previous Tales of the Weird has provoked a national and even international response like last week’s column about cattle mutilations.

Since last Thursday, I have received at least 16 e-mails and one telephone call about the phenomenon. The column was placed on our Web site and in no time it had made the rounds across the entire world. A woman in Russia and another person in British Columbia have sent me inquiries. The phone call came from a guy in Toronto, Canada.

"I sincerely hope you will continue to research this extremely sensitive phenomenon. It deserves at least that," read an e-mail from someone called "Truthseeker."

A number of the readers who contacted me pointed out some of the inaccuracies and misconceptions contained in my column. For that, I am very grateful. Though the subjects of this column are often fantastic in nature, I strive to give an accurate account of what I find. And I realize that there are plenty of people out there who know a lot more about cattle mutilations than I ever will.

For example, I referred to the documentary on the History Channel as being new. A man told me that the program had been shown a few times since 2004. I appreciate the e-mail and I apologize for my mistake. This was the first time I had seen the documentary and it was apparently new to me.

Another reader points out how my column is filled with popular misconceptions about "this strange but very real phenomenon." This man writes that he has investigated more than 200 reports of Colorado and New Mexico livestock mutilations since 1992 and has worked extensively with law enforcement and scientists on this problem. My column was based on information from a couple of Web sites and cannot match this man’s level of expertise.

The reader points out that there have been cases where the cause of death has been determined for the mutilated cattle. He says more than a dozen cases in Colorado in the 1970s involved cattle that had been shot and then mutilated.

My column also referred to investigators finding abnormally high levels of radiation around the places where the dead animals are discovered. The reader, who considers himself an authority on the subject, states that this is not true. He added that he has only heard of a single case where the cattle were found marked with a kind of fluorescent paint. It happened in New Mexico in 1977. He also disputes the notion of scavengers refusing to touch the carcasses of mutilated cattle.

I especially appreciate hearing from this man who has dealt with the weird phenomenon first-hand many times. He offered to supply me with "accurate material, photographs and cases that can be backed up by hard scientific data." Although he pointed out the mistakes in my column, he realized that I was simply repeating stuff that has entered the popular culture.

"Thanks again for your efforts, but don’t believe everything you see on TV or find on the Web," he said. To that I say amen.

In addition, more than one reader has stated that the phenomenon dates back much earlier than 1973. One person said it could have been around in the 1940s while another said it dates back to the 16th century.

Perhaps the most interesting response came from another man who says that demonic forces, not UFOs, are behind the strange mutilated cattle.

"A fifth possibility you should consider as the cause of the mutilations are the Devil himself," he writes. "These could be the fallen angels, the evil spirits, who are behind these horrific deaths. "

I must confess I have not considered that possibility. Still another reader directs me to a religious Web site that looks at how UFOs, crop circles and mutilated cattle are signs of demonic deception.

A woman asks me if we have had any reports of mutilated cattle in Marion. So far, we have not heard of any.

And numerous readers thanked me for having the courage to take on this highly controversial subject. "Don’t be surprised if you get a lot of ridicule from your readers and maybe even a visitor from the government," read one e-mail.

So far, the only contact I have with the federal government occurs when I file my income taxes. I hope it stays that way.


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PostPosted: 22-12-2005 16:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

December 22........

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The strange deaths of deer in a hunting preserve in the department of Uruguay has become a source of concern to local residents. These are female specimens that turned up mutilated and whose gentalia and reproductive organs were removed.

During recent days at the La Medalla Milagrosa ranch, located some 50 km from Concepción del Uruguay, near the banks of the Uruguay River, the events became a source of great concern among locals and left authorities mystified..............

.............Juan Rios has been in charge of the site for some 10 years and is aware of what this represents, but what took place in recent days has left him intrigued. "We have found dead does along a 1000 meter stretch, [all of them] presenting strange incisions. No blows or bullet holes are visible, and there are no bloodstains in the are," he told Uno worriedly.

Rios assured us that a round and luminous object that rises and moves in an irregular manner can be seen periodicaly over the area, which has drawn his attention. Moreover, he said that local residents have seen black, unmarked helicopters descending, which are thought to be persons visiting the site to study what is going on.

"No one can explain what is going on. They say it already happened with other animals and that they took samples for analysis. The incisions are perfect and identical over the same part of the body. Burn marks produced by an electrical element are visible," he said, waiting for some sort of answer to the enigma, which has produced curiosity in the media. "We are constantly on watch every night, but nothing could be found. The animal that was killed early this morning (yesterday) we found with you, but in spite of being on guard, we neither heard nor saw anything."



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If they are on watch each night, why dont they take a little more time and effort and capture a deer themselfs, plant all sorts of cameras on it, and and a shock color on it like a dog so that it has to stay in a certain boundaries. They could keep it out in the open so it would be the obvious choice for any ET's, and then see what the film gives them the next day. A little farfetched but why not do that?
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