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| Nambo wrote: |
Hi Jerry, I was looking to see if I could find anything to back up my claim to Fuhrer can also mean Messiah when I found this http://www.raptureme.com/terry/james10.html
The first three paragraphs show the view I gave is not just limited to me, though I dont know what he then goes on about.
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Then a 'Wanderführer ' isn't a walker's travel guide at all, it's a walking messiah!
Really, I think you'll find that 'führer' really is a mostly a 'leader', or 'guide' in German and can be applied to things that give direction as well as dictators.
http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&q=Wanderf%C3%BChrer&spell=1
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| Posted: 09-10-2004 13:16 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Philo T
...I was wondering how much of this "NAZI occultisim" mythology is the product of 60's men's magazines? |
in 1960, Louis Pawles and Jacques Bergier published the book Dawn of the Magicians (Le Matin des Magiciens), one section of which popularized the image of Nazi occultism. Pawles and Bergier also founded the French magazine Planete, which published a lot of science fiction, particularly Lovecraft. |
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| Posted: 09-10-2004 14:01 Post subject: |
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| Dr X wrote: |
in 1960, Louis Pawles and Jacques Bergier published the book Dawn of the Magicians (Le Matin des Magiciens), one section of which popularized the image of Nazi occultism. Pawles and Bergier also founded the French magazine Planete, which published a lot of science fiction, particularly Lovecraft. |
I read that book, in translation, decades ago and thoroughly enjoyed it. Even then large pinches of salt were necessary, but a great read.
If I remember correctly, it mentioned the Nazi belief in a solid Universe of eternal ice, containing firey bubbles in which places like the solar system could exist and of an eternal struggle between the prinicples of Fire and Ice. It seemed to lead on to Nazi expeditions to the South pole, to do experiments to bounce radio signals off the inside of the bubble of ice containing the Solar System and even a belief in the 'Hollow Earth Theory.'
That book is also the place where, amongst other wonderful things, I first came across the possibity of a special kind of 'poly-water,' which had a sort of memory of materials which had previously been dissolved in it.
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MrRING Android Futureman Joined: 07 Aug 2002 Total posts: 4196 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 27-01-2005 00:30 Post subject: Nazi Witchcraft? |
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Saw this blurb about a new indy horror film that had an interesting tidbit (which I'll bold):
http://newsroom.eworldwire.com/view_release.php?id=11273
| Quote: | NEW YORK, N.Y./EWORLDWIRE/Jan. 26, 2005 --- "Unholy," a new feature length thriller starring Adrienne Barbeau (Escape from New York, The Fog, Carnivale) and Nicholas Brendon (Psycho Beach Party, Buffy The Vampire Slayer) has begun shooting in Queens, N.Y., this past weekend. Under the directorial eye of Daryl Goldberg, and penmanship of Samuel Stephen Freeman, "Unholy" is the first in-house feature for Sky Whisper Productions. Sky Whisper Productions served as an associate producer on "Zombie Honeymoon" which is currently on the festival circuit. Joshua Blumenfeld and Freeman are Sky Whisper's executive producers.
The film deals with a grieving mother, Martha (Barbeau), trying to uncover the terrifying secret that is jeopardizing her family. Along with her son (Brendon), Martha becomes entwined in a conspiracy involving a fabled witch, Nazi occultists and the U.S. government. The film is inspired by an actual military document found discussing elements of Nazi witchcraft that were smuggled into small town Pennsylvania following World War II by the U.S. administration.
"We are thrilled to have actors of the caliber of Adrienne and Nicholas on Sky Whisper Productions' first feature film," said Blumenfeld, Sky Whisper CEO and "Unholy" executive producer. "Both stars have extraordinary followings and for good reason. I believe that this production will contain one of the best performances audiences have ever seen from both of these actors. There is already extraordinary buzz surrounding this film on dozens of Web sites, and we are confident that it will likely be one of the most successful horror films of the year."
"I believe that this terrifying and unusual tale, along with cult genre icons such as Barbeau and Brendon, is sure to guarantee a creation like none other," said Freeman, scriptwriter and co-executive producer on "Unholy." "There has never been a genre film like this before. Audiences will leave the theater scathed." |
So - anybody got an idea what this is going to be about? Is it well known, or a Blair Witch-tyle ballyhoo, or what? |
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| illuminati37411 purple yeti with pockets
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Has anyone here read "The Occult and the Third Reich," by "Jean-Michel Angebert" (a pseudonym, I have read, for the aforementioned Bergiers and Pauwels). Orignally written in French and translated into English, it is out of print and rather expensive used if you can find it. The book seems to be a bit of a re-hash of "In the Court of Lucifer," by Otto Rahn, a book only available in French. He was a Nazi who ended up getting offed when he was too much trouble.
The book was translated into English by a fellow who was my French prof long ago in college, and quite an interesting fellow he was, "much older than he looked," as he liked to say! But I was very gullible then. For anyone who has the book, the photo of "Otto Rahn" in the caverns of Southern France is most decidedly *not* Otto Rahn, but my old French prof, altho much younger, & he denied it with a mysterious smile. There are photos of Otto Rahn now on the internet, and it's sure not *him*. |
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| Anafranil Yeti Joined: 18 Oct 2005 Total posts: 36 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 01-02-2006 17:50 Post subject: |
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| illuminati37411 wrote: | Has anyone here read "The Occult and the Third Reich," by "Jean-Michel Angebert" (a pseudonym, I have read, for the aforementioned Bergiers and Pauwels). Orignally written in French and translated into English, it is out of print and rather expensive used if you can find it. The book seems to be a bit of a re-hash of "In the Court of Lucifer," by Otto Rahn, a book only available in French. He was a Nazi who ended up getting offed when he was too much trouble.
The book was translated into English by a fellow who was my French prof long ago in college, and quite an interesting fellow he was, "much older than he looked," as he liked to say! But I was very gullible then. For anyone who has the book, the photo of "Otto Rahn" in the caverns of Southern France is most decidedly *not* Otto Rahn, but my old French prof, altho much younger, & he denied it with a mysterious smile. There are photos of Otto Rahn now on the internet, and it's sure not *him*. |
Not read this book, but I've started reading The Nazis and the Occult - by D. Shakar (spelling?) Have you read this? And, if so did you think well researched etc etc? |
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| illuminati37411 purple yeti with pockets
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| Posted: 01-02-2006 19:50 Post subject: |
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Not read this book, but I've started reading The Nazis and the Occult - by D. Shakar (spelling?) Have you read this? And, if so did you think well researched etc etc
I don't think I've read that one yet -- is it a new book? It's possible I read it a while back.
Did anyone get to see the show on the Nazis and Occult on History Channel last month? I taped it but then forgot and taped over it. It had a woman named Dusty Scklar or Schklar or something who wrote one book a few years back. Hmmm, is that the author of your book? Gad, I think it is. Yes, now I remember. I have read it and it isn't >quite< as good as the Angebert book. I knew I had read them all at one time or another. The brain starts to slip. |
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| Hospitaller Great Old One Joined: 29 Aug 2001 Total posts: 443 Location: The Pale Gender: Male |
| Posted: 01-02-2006 20:45 Post subject: |
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| Nicholas Goodricke-Clarke seems to have done the most scholarly treatment of this topic in "The Occult Roots of Nazism" http://tinyurl.com/99rom(on my to buy list) and "Black Sun" (on my bookshelf), subtitled: "Aryan Cults, Esoteric Nazism and the Politics of Identity" http://tinyurl.com/dk2pv. Black Sun is fascinating and it would seem that "The Occult Roots of Nazism" is mainly about the Ariosophists. |
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| Anafranil Yeti Joined: 18 Oct 2005 Total posts: 36 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 02-02-2006 12:26 Post subject: |
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| illuminati37411 wrote: | Not read this book, but I've started reading The Nazis and the Occult - by D. Shakar (spelling?) Have you read this? And, if so did you think well researched etc etc
I don't think I've read that one yet -- is it a new book? It's possible I read it a while back.
Did anyone get to see the show on the Nazis and Occult on History Channel last month? I taped it but then forgot and taped over it. It had a woman named Dusty Scklar or Schklar or something who wrote one book a few years back. Hmmm, is that the author of your book? Gad, I think it is. Yes, now I remember. I have read it and it isn't >quite< as good as the Angebert book. I knew I had read them all at one time or another. The brain starts to slip. |
Thats' the book. I flicked through the pages and the book seems (using my brief flick as a rule) to have a constant theme. The theme being all occult groups and organisations are/or potential Nazis.
But it's best I read the book first before I pass judgement.
The author mentions Ron L. Hubbard a lot - is she on the enemy list?  |
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| MrRING Android Futureman Joined: 07 Aug 2002 Total posts: 4196 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 29-05-2011 20:43 Post subject: |
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Could this incident, if true, be what led Hitler to believe in the occult?
http://aconstantineblacklist.blogspot.com/2009/07/pravda-hitler-was-hypnotized-during.html
| Quote: | Pravda: Hitler was Hypnotized During World War I
Pravda
03.11.2003
This sensational viewpoint has been stated by writer and historian David Lewis in his new book The Man Who Invented Hitler.
The author cites unknown facts of conducting psychological and hypnotical tests over [Adolf Hitler] resulted in developing his perception himself as an exceptional person. The tests were made by German leading psychologist Edmund Foster in November 1918.
The future Fuhrer was hypnotized in the military hospital where he was brought in October 1918 in a difficult psychological condition: he persuaded himself that he had lost his eyesight after the gas attack. Hitler considered himself to become completely blind although the doctors claimed his eyesight was normal.
Dr Foster understood the patient's problem and decided to cure him with hypnosis. He told Hitler that he had become blind indeed, but as God made him an exceptional person he could obtain eyesight again by his will power.
The professor was able to make the patient to believe in himself and Hitler recovered his eyesight.
It impressed him so much that for the rest of his life he believed in his extraordinary abilities.
Admund Foster was killed by Gestapo in 1933 when he tried to publish outside Germany the psychological portrait of Chancellor Hitler and tell about the psychological tests he underwent. |
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| guestus Great Old One Joined: 08 Jun 2010 Total posts: 127 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 29-05-2011 21:46 Post subject: |
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| darn, you mean it's a conspiracy and not true? Here I was starting to be afraid of all those teens with occult symbolism in their art...undercover nazis I tell ya! |
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| Mythopoeika Boring petty conservative
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| Posted: 29-05-2011 22:14 Post subject: |
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It is known that Hitler formulated his ideas during his time in hospital, but not much else is known about that period.
The thing about psychopaths is that they think they're special. Coming out of the 1st World War alive may have convinced Hitler that he was indestructible and somehow chosen by destiny for something big - i.e. confirming his delusions.
Before his time in hospital, he was deemed to have no leadership ability. Afterwards, he was a more confident man with a plan for the future of Germany.
So - something happened to him while he was in hospital. What, I guess we'll never know.
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| EnolaGaia Joined: 19 Jul 2004 Total posts: 1304 Location: USA Gender: Male |
| Posted: 29-05-2011 23:13 Post subject: |
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Note that the hypnotized Hitler story traces back to Pravda. Having said that ...
If you want to read more about it:
(1) The psychologist's name is almost universally misspelled - it's actually Edmund Forster.
(2) The book's author has set up a website dedicated to Forster at:
http://www.dredmundforster.info/ |
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| guestus Great Old One Joined: 08 Jun 2010 Total posts: 127 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 30-05-2011 21:32 Post subject: |
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| I am suspicious of the "psychopath" conspiracy theories. Why not just call them evil/evil people? A psychopath is what they used to call a person with anti-social personality disorder, and still do in popular magazines like psychology today. Now...can't you just imagine them convincing us psychopaths are awful, then schizophrenics are awful, then bipolars are awful...? Like in that little poem/saying "first they came for the communists...". Let's just call Hitler Pure Evil. He needs a category of his own. |
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| gncxx King-Size Canary
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| Posted: 30-05-2011 22:24 Post subject: |
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Calling Hitler or any other dictator with vast amounts of blood on their hands "evil" is reasonable, but if you want to study what made them so and ensure those circumstances do not happen again you're going to have to come up with a scientific basis for them better than simply insulting them decades later.
Psychology, where Hitler can be labelled as a psychopath, is one of those sciences, but there can be a problem where anyone who cuts in front of you in a queue can be described by you as a psycho means such terms lose their usefulness. I don't know if Hitler would be accurately described as a psychopath now, he'd probably be called a rampant egotist or something. Most of us can agree he was not the sort of person to be running a country. |
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