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PostPosted: 04-08-2010 07:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...There were errors of fact too..

That's often the problem with this kind of documentary - glossy and slickly-produced they may be, but when they get basic, established facts wrong then any extrapolations are immediately thrown into serious doubt as well.
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PostPosted: 04-08-2010 10:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The idea that the infamous Flight 19 crashed in a swamp in Florida also didn't discuss why five planes should go down there without any survivors.


Well it could have been 'gators or banjo playing Cajuns.
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PostPosted: 04-08-2010 11:50    Post subject: Reply with quote

These channel five documentaries do tend to fall into a pattern of big title, shotgun full of unfounded theories, snazzy graphics, no conclusion. Last night's one had a classic 'expert' on it, introduced as a metrologist he then espoused a theory of time warps. Rolling Eyes

Could be worse though, the Channel Five Egyption ones fall into an even more predicatable pattern of expensive looking but endlessly repeated reconstruction, outlandish theory, then Zahi Hawass pops up and declares he thinks it's true. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 04-08-2010 11:54    Post subject: Reply with quote

What puzzles me about the triangle is that some experts come out with the methane bubble theory etc to explain why there are so many disappearances,while other experts say that they are no more disappearances then in any other heavily trafficked area. Confused
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PostPosted: 11-08-2010 15:35    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Salem-News.com (Aug-06-2010 14:30)

How Brilliant Computer Scientists Solved the Bermuda Triangle Mystery

Terrence Aym Salem-News.com

(CHICAGO) - According to two research scientists the mystery of vanished ships and airplanes in the region dubbed "The Bermuda Triangle" has been solved.

Step aside outer space aliens, time anomalies, submerged giant Atlantean pyramids and bizarre meteorological phenomena ... the "Triangle" simply suffers from an acute case of gas.

Natural gas—the kind that heats ovens and boils water—specifically methane, is the culprit behind the mysterious disappearances and loss of water and air craft.

The evidence for this astounding new insight into a mystery that's bedevilled the world is laid out in a research paper published in the American Journal of Physics.

Professor Joseph Monaghan researched the hypothesis with honour student David May at the Monash University in Melbourne, Australia.

The two hypothesized that large methane bubbles rising from the ocean floor might account for many, if not all, of the mysterious disappearances of ships and aircraft at specific locales around the world.

Researcher Ivan T. Sanderson identified these mystery areas during the 1960s. Sanderson described the actual shape of these regions as more like a lozenge rather than a triangle. Some of the more famous spots include an area in the Sea of Japan, the North Sea, and of course the infamous "Bermuda (or Devil's) Triangle."

Oceanographic surveyors of the sea floor in the area of the Bermuda Triangle and the North Sea region between continental Europe and Great Britain have discovered significant quantities of methane hydrates and older eruption sites.

Because of the correlations and existing data, the two envisioned what would happen when gigantic methane bubbles explode from natural fissures on the seafloor.

The methane—normally frozen at great pressure as gas hydrates embedded within subterranean rock—can become dislodged and transform into gaseous bubbles expanding geometrically as they explode upwards. When these bubbles reach the surface of the water they soar into the air, still expanding upwards and outwards.

Any ships caught within the methane mega-bubble immediately lose all buoyancy and sink to the bottom of the ocean. If the bubbles are big enough and possess a high enough density they can also knock aircraft out of the sky with little or no warning. Aircraft falling victim to these methane bubbles will lose their engines-perhaps igniting the methane surrounding them-and immediately lose their lift as well, ending their flights by diving into the ocean and swiftly plummeting.

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PostPosted: 11-08-2010 22:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

How does an aircraft lose it's lift if it hits a methane bubble?

I can see the engines would fail if too much oxygen is displaced, but the aircraft would still be intact and have forward momentum. And presumably at say a modest 120mph for a prop, they'd be out of a big bubble quite quickly anyway, and could restart the engines?
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PostPosted: 12-08-2010 18:06    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Bermuda Triangle? I used to play one of those (it had four sides)
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PostPosted: 26-03-2012 20:34    Post subject: Reply with quote

On steam radio:

Inside the Bermuda Triangle: The Mysteries Solved - Episode 1

Broadcaster and investigative journalist Tom Mangold begins an epic quest to uncover the truth behind one of the world's most famous mysteries.

In this first of two omnibus editions of his series from 2009, Tom Mangold begins an epic quest to uncover the truth behind one of the world's most famous mysteries.

The Bermuda Triangle is one of the great iconic stories of our time. Within its half million square mile borders between Bermuda, Florida and Puerto Rico some 1000 people are said to have perished in the sixty or so ships and planes that have vanished without trace since 1854.

The stories are legend.
From the USS Cyclops en route from Barbados to Baltimore with 300 people which vanished in 1918 and has never been found - to the most recent Triangle event in 2002 - the disappearance of a small Piper Pawnee airplane over the Bahamas - the mystery persists.

Tom Mangold turns his journalistic skills to the myth of the Bermuda Triangle - and separates fact from fiction, speculation from recorded history, and barefaced lies from long forgotten truths. He discovers just was the genesis of the story, how it grew, and why it persists to this day.

In the process he'll be speaking to the authors who first spun the tales of inexplicable events in the area, investigating some of the supposed mysteries in the light of new evidence, and travelling around the Triangle itself to find out if there really is anything out there.

Think you know the truth behind the mystery? Think again. And join Tom Mangold as he travels - Inside The Bermuda Triangle.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01dljk3/Inside_the_Bermuda_Triangle_The_Mysteries_Solved_Episode_1/
Broadcast on BBC Radio 4, 9:00PM Fri, 23 Mar 2012

Available until 11:00PM Fri, 30 Mar 2012
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http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/broward/fl-bermuda-triangle-bunk-20140208,0,2887142.story

Now it's official: The Bermuda Triangle is a bunch of bunk.

For decades, rumors persisted that hundreds of ships and planes mysteriously vanished in the area between Miami, Puerto Rico and Bermuda because it was cursed or patrolled by extraterrestrials.

Most of us already suspected that was a myth. Yet, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration just posted a story declaring the Devil's Triangle, as it's also known, is no different than any other open ocean region — and that foul weather and poor navigation are likely to blame for any mishaps.

"There is no evidence that mysterious disappearances occur with any greater frequency in the Bermuda Triangle than in any other large, well-traveled area of the ocean," the agency stated this month on noaa.gov.

Ben Sherman, spokesman for NOAA's National Ocean Service, said the agency wrote the story as part of an educational program where it responds to readers' questions.

The story was based on information from the U.S. Navy and U.S. Guard, which make no bones about saying the mythological area is so much balderdash.

"The Coast Guard does not recognize the existence of the so-called Bermuda Triangle as a geographic area of specific hazard to ships or planes," the military branch said. "In a review of many aircraft and vessel losses in the area over the years, there has been nothing discovered that would indicate that casualties were the result of anything other than physical causes."

Not everyone is in full agreement, including Minerva Bloom.

She's a volunteer docent at the Naval Air Station Fort Lauderdale Museum, which pays homage to Flight 19, perhaps the highest-profile incident involving the Bermuda Triangle. The five U.S. Navy torpedo bombers took off from Fort Lauderdale on a routine training exercise in December 1945, never to return.

"I don't think there are aliens or anything like that, but I do think there's something going on there," Bloom said.

One reason for that: In the early 1990s, she and her family flew in a seaplane operated by the now defunct Chalk's International Airlines from the Bahamas to Fort Lauderdale.

"The pilot said, 'We're going over the Bermuda Triangle,' and all of the sudden, a screw fell from his panel," she recalled. "He said, 'that's happened before, don't worry about it.' But it was just spooky."

Otherwise, more scientific study should be done to determine if the Bermuda Triangle is inhabited by "some form of energy that hasn't been explained yet," Bloom said. "The Earth is full of pockets of energy, and there might be some sort of scientific explanation."

Since the early 1950s, some outrageous theories have surrounded the Bermuda Triangle. Among them: Space aliens hunt for human study subjects there; the lost continent of Atlantis exerts an evil influence there; or black-hole vortices pull objects into other dimensions from there.

There also are more reasonable explanations, such as methane gas, erupting from ocean sediments, have overwhelmed vessels or that strong magnetic forces can confuse sailors and pilots.

NOAA contends that hurricanes and tropical storms, which frequently churn through the triangle, and other bad weather are more likely explanations for ships or planes getting into trouble.

Additionally, the Gulf Stream, a fast-moving current that runs parallel to the U.S. East Coast, can cause "rapid, sometimes violent, changes in weather" — and that numerous shallow water areas near Caribbean islands can be treacherous to ship navigation, the agency said.

"The ocean has always been a mysterious place to humans, and when foul weather or poor navigation is involved, it can be a very deadly place," NOAA said. "This is true all over the world."

NOAA noted the U.S. Board of Geographic Names does not recognize the Bermuda Triangle as an official name. Further, the U.S. Navy and Coast Guard have no official maps to delineate the boundaries of the Bermuda Triangle.

"Their experience suggests that the combined forces of nature and human fallibility outdo even the most incredulous science fiction," NOAA said.
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PostPosted: 09-02-2014 16:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the early 70's I was stationed aboard a U. S. Coast Guard Weather High Endurance Cutter for two years. Our primary mission at that time was performing Ocean Station Patrols, but we did some other things as well. Our travels during my time aboard took us all up and down the eastern seaboard, above the Arctic Circle, Europe and the Caribbean. We passed through the Bermuda Triangle several times and never noticed anything unusual while traversing it. We DID, however, encounter some unusual phenomena from time to time while at sea. On my first trip aboard we were sailing from Boston to Guantanamo Bay and I was being trained on lookout duty. The seaman who was breaking me in told me, "By the way, if you ever see a green flare over the horizon, don't even bother reporting it". He went on to explain that he'd seen a green flare rise up from the water over the horizon, arc around and come back down again. He reported his sighting and the ship diverted course and spent a long time performing a search of the area. Nothing was ever found. After that first trip I noticed that during most every voyage we made that someone on lookout duty would report seeing a green flare over the horizon. I never witnessed this phenomenon myself, but I heard about it when someone else did. Years later I read in a book that the green flare problem started during WWII and it was generally assumed that it was German U-boats sending signals. But WWII eventually ended and the green flare phenomenon continued on. Much more recently, my brother was aboard a sailboat racing with a bunch of other sailboats from Galveston to Cancun. Somewhere in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico they spotted a green flare arc up into the sky and fall back down again. It was dead astern of them. Thinking maybe another of the boats in their race was signaling distress, they turned around and went back to search. They found nothing and finally turned around again to continue the race.

I personally don't put much stock in the Bermuda Triangle 'mystery'. But I do believe there are some things in this world we don't understand.
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PostPosted: 09-02-2014 18:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fascinating account!
I wonder what the green flares are?
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PostPosted: 09-02-2014 18:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did it look like any of these:
http://bragalia.blogspot.com/2012/07/return-of-incredible-green-fireballs.html

Also:
http://www.forteantimes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=55186
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I have no clue what the green flares might actually be. I've never seen one, myself. I've only heard descriptions and it's always simply a green flare in the distance that rises up and arcs back down again and disappears. It looks like a flare shot from a Very pistol. I've never heard of them described as fireballs in the sky.

I first heard of them on that trip from Boston to Cuba during my lookout training. I heard of them being seen by shipmates on subsequent cruises. I read about them in a book a year or so after I got out of the Coast Guard. And then more recently my brother and his fellow crewmen saw one in the Gulf of Mexico and he described it exactly such....as a green flare far off in the distance arcing up into the sky and falling back down again.

I do remember when I was just little, looking up into the night sky and seeing what I thought was a satellite. For some reason it left an intermittent green streak of light behind it. I wondered if it was skipping on the edge of the atmosphere and beginning to burn up. But thinking back on it now, I recall it traveling from south to north. That's not a typical satellite orbit, is it?
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PostPosted: 09-02-2014 19:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting! The flare ingredients (green from Barium nitrate) usually leave a smoke trail, though, right? Maybe something was getting a look at you while you were seeing it?
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There's an optical phenomenon called 'Green Flash' which I believe is most likely (although not exclusively) to be observed at sea over the horizon - wonder if it could have been that.

Wiki page on Green Flash here.
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