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Posted: 31-08-2011 10:50 Post subject:

Ah, yes; the giant bubble of water floating in Jupiter's atmosphere. That intrigues me; what depth was it at, how big, and how did you know it was water - could it have been supercritical hydrogen, perhaps?

Posted: 31-08-2011 20:37 Post subject:

To a supercritical poster on FT, I can assure you that distinct liquid and gas phases did exist.
It was a huge bubble that was maybe an eighth of the planet, difficult to tell, although not the usual kind - a bubble, clearly defined, of water floating in gas and resting on a layer of denser gas.

At the time my guide and transport would take me to various places, I assume he thought would be of interest to me. On this particular journey, I expected that we would go to Mars. We touched down on the desert for a short time, but he seemed to be impatient beckoning me. We then continued to Jupiter and the thing he wanted to show me; the water. Smile

Posted: 01-09-2011 10:29 Post subject:

While (I'm afraid) being scepitcal of ghostisfort's trip to Jupiter (but no probs with being proved wrong!) I do share his frustration with science's ability to miss the point. Simulating an experience is not the same as having the experience. I really wonder what would happen if scientists actually found evidence of spiritual existence out of the body? Would they have the courage to publish it?

I have had mild experiences of being out of my body, once watching a train I was on snaking through the countryside. Nothing happened that I could not have simply imagined or dreamed, though. It's the cases where people have seen things that they couldn't (apparently) have known about or anticipated that are interesting.

Posted: 01-09-2011 15:54 Post subject:

I want a record for the sceptics.

Posted: 01-09-2011 22:02 Post subject:

the only times that i experienced anything that resembled an oobe i didnt realise until in one instance years later that this was the case.
while i was still living at home i had two very vivid dreams that were seperated by at least a few weeks, and must have occured in the early part of the year when i was 13 or 14. At the time i just presumed them to be normal dreams during which i was walking down a dark road. everything was normal, as it would be on a road at night, streetlights working etc, although there was nobody else around, or any cars as i was actually walking in the road.
In the first dream i remember arriving at a huge carved ornate door set between buildings looking at the carving and the size, and then being on the other side of the other side of the doorway looking into a building through a bowed georgian type window. (actually bending double and peering through the glass). i remember nothing else about the place itself, just again more walking down a dark road.
In the second dream i was again walking down a road at night, nowhere i recognised, just a normal two lane road bordered by first houses, then wooden fences and bushes onto fields.
On both occasions in the morning i felt very tired like id had interrupted sleep but thought nothing more of it apart from the vividness stayed with me.
Anyhoo later on that year we went on a family holiday to Scotland, there i was sitting in the back of the car with my brother with my mum in the front and my dad driving. At some point i looked out of the car window and realised that i recognised the road we were travelling on. i remarked as much to which my mum replied that i couldnt recognise it as we had never been there before. i then described the next part of the road, going round a bend and onto more open country, down to the type of fence and how the bushes were etc.
This was the road from my second dream.
A good few years later, maybe 10+ i had moved down south and had gone on a day trip to Canterbury. We wandered around and decided to look at the cathedral and it was then that i realised this was the place from my first dream, i even peered in the same window as before although the building was empty, not much to see.
I dont think this has happened since, tho i stopped being able to recall my dreams some years agoannoyingly enough.

Posted: 02-09-2011 00:10 Post subject:

Yes, I think this kind of experience is more common than most think.
We tend to rationalise such things away.

Posted: 02-09-2011 00:47 Post subject:

well it was these or rather the second dream as that was 'proven' to me sooner and a few other unrelated incidents that planted the conviction that there is more to the human condition that is worth trying to enourage and explore than the accepted number of senses (for want of a better term), and from there an interest in all things fortean.

Posted: 02-09-2011 04:51 Post subject:

Interesting. Even if there is a reservoir of water within Jupiter (which is, according to the results from the Galileo probe, unusually dry) the Juno probe is unlikely to penetrate deep enough to find it.

There probably is a layer of supercritical hydrogen, and a layer of liquid and then a layer of metallic hydrogen, but these would all be so deep that no man-made probe could see them without some sort of supernatural sense. I suspect we will have to wait a bit longer for the discovery of this feature.

Posted: 02-09-2011 19:36 Post subject:

The Jovian structure is theoretical and astronomical theory has a dodgy history.
As for the Galileo probe finding the atmosphere unusually dry: Jupiter is the planet that 'sweeps the solar system of comets', which are icy. Has it not occurred to someone that there is likely to be water there for this reason?

Posted: 02-09-2011 22:08 Post subject:

If it is there, it is buried deep beneath layers of unexpectedly dry hydrogen/helium mix.

I expect that there is some water there, by the way; the Galileo probe may have entered the planet at an unusually dry location. If remote viewing can determine the disposition of water in the complex atmosphere of this planet it would be a useful tool indeed,

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Posted: 18-01-2013 15:04 Post subject:

Not so much a blob, more a planet-sized cylindrical clear tube full of clear liquid.
With a screwtop lid.