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Posted: 04-10-2004 14:22 Post subject: Titanic Conspiracy

Did anyone read the item in the Daily Mail last week suggesting the white star line swapped the olympic for the titanic and sank the olympic on purpose for an insurance scam becuase the olympic had been damaged in an accident?

I can't remember all of the article but there was supporting evidence..

Posted: 04-10-2004 14:35 Post subject:

Posted: 04-10-2004 14:44 Post subject:

Where is that quote from and what was the twist in the tale?

Posted: 04-10-2004 14:55 Post subject:

quote was from
http://www.guru-international.com/gray_monk/archives/002662.php

thought i had included the whole story obviously not blush

Posted: 04-10-2004 15:08 Post subject:

I heard about this a while ago. Can't remember when or where though Sad

Posted: 05-10-2004 01:07 Post subject:

There were just too many unfortunate coincidences with Titanic.

Icebergs weren't usually that far south that time of year. They forgot the binoculars. Not that they would have helped, because the sea was unnaturally calm, so they couldn't see the water breaking against the base of the berg. First Officer told them to switch the engines off, then tried to turn her. Big mistake. Then tried to reverse. Big mistake.

If she'd have hit head on, she'd have made it to New York. Dented, but unbowed. Imagine the press frenzy.

She lasted two and a half hours from impact before sinking. Any other ship would have sunk immediately.

She was carrying more lifeboats than the statutory requirement. Still not enough, of course. But more than necessary.

People didn't believe she was sinking and wouldn't get in the boats.

Arrogant prats like Cosmo Duff Gordon, one of the 12 people in a life boat built for 60-70. The boat refused to go back for survivors. There was him, his wife, the secretary, and the rest were crew members. Things like that make me angry.

And the captain of Carpathia. What an amazing guy! He knew Titanic was out there, unsinkable but sinking, with icebergs and growlers. He had a little Cunard liner, but he made it about 2 hours quicker than he said he could, through incredibly dangerous waters, at full speed. I remember reading that he found Titanic as the sun rose, and he looked out over the ocean and saw nothing but ice bergs and growlers. And he said that whoever had been guiding his ship, it wasn't him. Amazing.

And that twonk Cameron didn't put it in the sodding film. No - instead he made up some pathetic fictional piece of clap trap and ruined a beautiful looking film with fairytales, when there was more drama, tragedy and heartbreak in the true story than anything he could come up with.

Which is a very long winded way to say that I don't believe any conspiracy. Why would they? There was nothing to gain. They killed some of the cream of society. You don't do that deliberately. It was a complete disaster. There was no benefit to it at all.

Poor Bruce Ismay took all the flak, when all he was was a figurehead. His brother's horse won the National a few years later, and they stripped the win from him rather than announce the name Ismay over the tannoys. That's how high feelings ran.

Posted: 06-10-2004 23:24 Post subject:

My great grandfather was on one of the rescue ships. Cant remember which one, tho`

Posted: 06-10-2004 23:53 Post subject:

Posted: 07-10-2004 19:45 Post subject: Re: Titanic Conspiracy

Posted: 12-10-2004 14:02 Post subject:

The story was in fact in the Daily Express and based soley on a Sky One discussion programme from a week previous.
The "switch theory" has been investigated exclusively for 30 years by author Robin Gardiner, who has so far published two books, Riddle of the Titanic and The Ship That Never sank. Another explaining the reasons why the switch was made is out next year.
The Express story would have been more accurate if they had bothered to refer to Robin instead of quoting him indiscriminately and inaccurately. That's newspapers for you.
I'd be interested to hear views on this from anyone who has read the books. The Titanic purists think, of course, that Robin is bonkers. He isn't. I know him well.

Posted: 12-10-2004 14:29 Post subject:

There is a family legend or uncorroborated story more like that one of my family a few generations back was working on the Titanic as an engineer, probably the hammer and rivet sort rather than the blueprint sort. Anyhow the story went that he was given a return ticket for working hard to get the project finished on time.
Allegedly because he was awarded the ticket and didn't purchace the ticket, his name was not on the passenger register.
So the story goes uncorroborated:(
Needless to say he didn't make it back to tell the story.

Posted: 12-10-2004 14:44 Post subject: Easily dismissed

If you go over to the following weblinks, populated by hundreds of Titanic experts, you will see just how easily this bizarre theory can be very easily dismissed:

http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/discus/messages/5664/5664.html?1097581391

http://titanicmodel.com/

- have a look for the forums.

Posted: 12-10-2004 15:10 Post subject:

Yes it is very easily dismissed by people who set themselves up as experts but know little.
I was in fact thrown of this site for daring to differ with the "purist" line.
Robin proves every statement with evidence, they just make statements.

Posted: 12-10-2004 15:37 Post subject:

Actually, these experts on those websites, who have been following the ship since they were young, and are now advanced of age (!) have followed up their research with pages and pages of research. Have a look for a book called "Titanic - the truth behind the conspiracy".

Posted: 12-10-2004 16:22 Post subject:

Not too sure about the conspiracy aspects regarding the Titanic but my family also has an interesting story about it.

My great grandfather, before my grandfather was born, was a stoker on the Titanic. At least he would have been if he hadn't arrived at Southampton docks twenty odd minutes too late - the ship sailed without him. It was, allegedly, one of the few times he was ever late. If he hadn't have been I wouldn't exist.

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