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Posted: 13-01-2002 01:27 Post subject: Exorcism death

LONDON ,ONTARIO-- During the three days it took Walter Zepeda to die, neighbours heard "many" voices chanting and praying in his family's apartment.

Now police want to know how many people were inside to see the 19 year old strapped to a bed with neckties in what may have been a faith healing or exorcism gone horribly wrong.

[url]http://canada.com/national/story.asp?id={3C68948E-C995-413C-9051-444D71011C53}[/url]

Posted: 13-01-2002 02:23 Post subject:

[Donning glass eye and gaberdine raincoat]

Lady, whenever I see a nineteen year old strapped to a bed
wid neckties, exorcism ain't the foist woid dat springs to my
mind.

You got the photos? Surprised

Posted: 13-01-2002 02:25 Post subject:

Crap people are crazy.

Posted: 16-01-2002 21:46 Post subject: Everyman: Exorcism

Tonight at 9pm, BBC2 (UK) - Everyman's look at Exorcism, featuring the work of the Revd Tom Willis.

Posted: 16-01-2002 22:59 Post subject:

I've had it on for fifty odd minutes and keep hoping that at least
one of the sprogs will manage a little green puke before the end.

Managed to make Exorcist seem a rather dull job. Sad

Posted: 16-01-2002 23:06 Post subject:

Just caught the last 20 minutes of it. Was quite interesting because it showed how mundane these things actually are.

Posted: 16-01-2002 23:12 Post subject:

I got all set up to video this. But when I 'stopped' the VCR, I discovered I hadn't actually started it....

I guess this is down to my stupidity rather than anything spooky.
(No need to reply.)

Posted: 17-01-2002 00:10 Post subject:

Yes, it turned out to be a bit mundane and unsensational - not that I thought anything abnormal would be captured on camera.

I have on tape a program interview with Dominic Walker, a C of E Deliverance Minister (last I heard, he was based at Brighton), in which he calmly describes his own experience of seeing an old woman appear as he conducted a deliverance mass in a house that had been plagued with strange goings-on. She smiled at him and vanished - quite an experience, he admitted, for a priest who was a proponent of pyschological solutions to most seemingly supernatural maladies.

Posted: 17-01-2002 00:14 Post subject:

How the guy didn't notice the arrival of those two big bruises I don't know (that only happens to me when I've been drinking).

Those kids looked dodgy, especially the baby:devil:. I began to suspect it when the fountains of fire spat out of it's eyes and it's head began to Spiny

...Not really.

Wink

Posted: 17-01-2002 11:34 Post subject:

I thought it was hysterical!!
I mean - they were all actors - right??! Please say yes .. I mean, the Wayne and Waynetta/8 Ace family with 9 screaming foul kids telling the vicar-guy he looked like a girl in his blessing gear ... and the house full of screaming kiddy chaos ... until they moved then they like scrubbed em up and gave em both a facial and locked all the brats away somewhere so they were a picture of health and peace??? And all that "The peace of God be upon this cat" and "Bless this car" etc .... sorry ... I was in stitches!!!! .. and like the meeting of the ministry where all the church folk werte sitting sround going "well I think we need to talk about God more" heh heh heh ... sorry, I really enjoyed it but by about half way through I was pretty much convinced Chris Morris or someone was behind it, or maybe it was going to lapse into Ghostwatch-style bathos ....... oh I dunno ... maybe it's just me .....

Posted: 17-01-2002 23:07 Post subject:

Ten minutes in any classroom in any not-very-nice school will
show how evil the telly is. Kids will talk at you in a demented
way they have derived from soap-opera and "real-life" telly.

Hall of mirrors really. I'm scared at times. Surprised

Posted: 18-01-2002 10:30 Post subject:

I think it was funny actually. The hugely dramatic music to the pictures of nothing out of the ordinary happening whatsoever was really quite good...
And that Wayne guy (or whatever his real name is)...
"An' after we dug up the oija board and all the tarot cards with the devil on them, and we found the inverted cross written in blood, we definitly knew something strange had happened here..."

Az

Posted: 18-01-2002 18:56 Post subject:

9 kids in a nasty house in a shit part of Hull and not enough bedrooms between them, hmmmm rehousing scam anyone?

I particularly liked
Spooky village type:"look look, the curtains moving!"(to medium)
Interviewer:"Could that not be a draft?"

Posted: 15-02-2002 11:55 Post subject:

I remember reading, while on a media course, some of the ITC broadcast guidelines. The one i remember was how to handle this sort of material, i don't remember the actual wording but it basically said that things of this nature HAD to be treated as tounge-in-cheek so as "not to offend a persons beliefs" i remember this quite clearly as i wrote (in a defiant "studenty" sort of way) an essay on the subject.

I personally liked the thought of the old lady's psychic budgie. Wink

--kiel--

Posted: 05-03-2002 08:30 Post subject: Exorcism on TV

The problem with both the Reverend gentleman in question and the television programme in general is that there was little evidence of any exorcism taking place whatsoever. The Protestant world, particularly at its more evangelical end of the spectrum, makes a clear distinction between what they describe as "deliverance" and "exorcism." We certainly witnessed none of the latter in the true meaning of that rite. What viewers were subjected to was a painfully slow and tedious fifty minutes of an elderly minister of the Church of England visiting council estates, and what have you, for which his remedy was a blessing and a few prayers from the Anglican prayer book. This, believe me, is not the same as exorcism for which a very precise and quite long formula is required. That formula, not acknowledged in the Protestant world, save for a handful of anachronistic Anglo-Catholics, exists only in the pre-Vatican II Roman Ritual of the Catholic Church. The Pope has personally applied it thrice in his entire papacy, and formal exorcisms cannot be carried out by a priest of any denomination, Anglican included (though whether "exorcism" is a euphemism for "prayers" and "blessings" must remain open to question), without the permission of the diocesan bishop. The recent television programme was more about the ineffectiveness of watered-down religiousity to come to terms with something that is possibly a concentration of evil.