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Jerry_B Great Old One Joined: 15 Apr 2002 Total posts: 8265 |
 Posted: 04-11-2004 13:38 Post subject: Has Arafat been poisoned? |
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As Arafat's health seems to be in a somewhat sharp decline, and for reasons unknown (so far) I wonder what will happen if he dies, WRT conspiracy theories? One possible conspiracy that occurs to me is that he's been poisoned, as the reasons for his ill-health don't seem to be all that clear at the moment and AFAIK it's been confirmed that he doesn't have leukemia or gastric flu'. One could also speculate that that's why Israel allowed him to leave his compound and would allow him to return - because he's not coming back...
Of course, this is all idle speculation, but I wonder what will be said if he dies. I wonder what, if any, accusations may be made... |
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| Onix_Martinez Papá de Iñaki y Xhanté
Papá de Iñaki Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Total posts: 682 Location: Mexico City, Mexico Age: 45 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 04-11-2004 14:00 Post subject: |
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| Has anyone considered the possibilty he has AIDS or a similar desorder? French medicine is very good, and I find it hard to believe they haven't find what's wrong with him. Maybe they are not telling the world because of the implications. Some Cuban friends told me some "funny" stories about him when he visited Havana. |
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| theyithian Keeping the British end up
Joined: 29 Oct 2002 Total posts: 11704 Location: Vermilion Sands Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 04-11-2004 14:35 Post subject: |
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Well, there are confliciting reports today as to whether he's lapsed into a coma or not.
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| Onix_Martinez Papá de Iñaki y Xhanté
Papá de Iñaki Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Total posts: 682 Location: Mexico City, Mexico Age: 45 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 04-11-2004 14:39 Post subject: |
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| The Yithian wrote: |
Well, there are confliciting reports today as to whether he's lapsed into a coma or not.
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He has, it's confirmed by a high level palestinian officer. |
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| marslight avatarically challenged Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Total posts: 416 Location: The Big Orange Gender: Male |
| Posted: 04-11-2004 16:38 Post subject: |
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| Is this high-ranking Palestinian officer the same one who yesterday denied that Arafat was worsening and claimed the report was Israeli propaganda? |
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| Anonymous |
| Posted: 04-11-2004 17:49 Post subject: bush makes hasty comment on "death of arafat" |
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I am watching the speech by bush this morning, and a reporter just stood up and said to bush that arafat was dead and asked if he had any comments. bush replied, "god bless his soul"
and then, peter jennings voice pops in stating that arafat is infact, not dead???????
and no one corrected bush!? |
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| Mighty_Emperor Divine Wind
Joined: 18 Aug 2002 Total posts: 19943 Location: Mongo Age: 42 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 04-11-2004 17:55 Post subject: |
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The ticker tape on BBC News 24 says "Arafat not dead".
| Quote: | Arafat Reported Clinically Dead; PM Denies
Thu Nov 4, 2004 11:39 AM ET
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Palestinian President Yasser Arafat was declared clinically dead on Thursday in a French hospital, Israeli television said citing French sources.
But Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qurie denied the report, saying: "I have just spoken to the officials in Paris and they say the situation is still as it was. He is still in the intensive care unit."
Israel's Channel Two television cited unnamed sources in Paris saying that Arafat underwent a brain scan and was found to be "no longer alive."
Palestinian sources earlier told Reuters that the Palestinian president, who was admitted to hospital last week with a mysterious stomach illness, had slipped into a coma.
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http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=6717761 |
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| Mal_Adjusted Hardware Fault Joined: 06 Aug 2003 Total posts: 1759 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 04-11-2004 18:42 Post subject:
Rising crisis over Arafat health |
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Hi
another update -
source:
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3980903.stm
Last Updated: Thursday, 4 November, 2004, 17:36 GMT
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Rising crisis over Arafat health
Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qurei outside Yasser Arafat's Ramallah HQ
PM Ahmed Qurei and other officials tried to put a brave face on events
French doctors treating Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat have denied Israeli TV reports that he has died.
Mr Arafat's health has deteriorated sharply in the last two days and he is being treated in intensive care.
Israel's Channel Two television quoted unnamed sources in Paris which said Mr Arafat underwent a brain scan and was "no longer alive".
Mr Arafat, 75, was flown to a military hospital in Paris last week. He has led the Palestinians since the 1960s.
"Mr Arafat is not dead," said head physician Christian Estripeau in a brief statement outside the Percy hospital.
"His clinical situation has become more complex. President Arafat remains in the Percy hospital, where he was transferred on Wednesday afternoon to a unit suited to his pathology," he said.
Sources close to Mr Arafat's entourage in Paris had earlier reported that he was in a coma, but this was denied by officials at his Palestinian Authority headquarters in the West Bank city of Ramallah.
Officials in the West Bank held emergency meetings to discuss the crisis.
Prime Minister Ahmed Qurei was reported to have taken over some of Mr Arafat's powers over security and financing.
'Difficult condition'
BBC correspondent James Reynolds said that, while public statements from Palestinian officials in Ramallah were positive, their expressions suggested the situation of their leader was serious.
Officials gathered for meetings of the Palestinian Liberation Organisation decision-making executive committee and the Fatah movement central committee - both of which have been headed by Mr Arafat for more than 40 years.
Yasser Arafat
Arafat seemed frail as he left the West Bank last week
"The condition of the president is difficult, but he is stable and doctors are continuing their tests," senior Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat told the AFP news agency.
Mr Arafat was flown to the French capital last Friday from his headquarters in Ramallah with a mystery illness.
At the time, he was said to have collapsed after suffering from what was first described as severe gastric flu.
Doctors say they have found no trace of leukaemia or any other cancer. They have been checking for a viral infection.
French President Jacques Chirac has visited Mr Arafat, but a presidential spokeswoman who announced the visit did not give any details about the patient's state of health.
It was a brief visit in which the president "expressed his best wishes" to Mr Arafat's wife, his office said.
Tests have shown that he has a low count of blood platelets, which are needed for clotting, but doctors are unsure of what is causing the condition.
Trouble spots
On Thursday, Israeli security chiefs discussed Mr Arafat's condition at their weekly briefing.
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Mythopoeika Boring petty conservative
Joined: 18 Sep 2001 Total posts: 9109 Location: Not far from Bedford Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 04-11-2004 21:15 Post subject: |
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He's an old man, and any number of illnesses could strike him down.
Lots of old people are reported as having died of 'old age' because the coroner didn't know exactly what had killed them. |
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| Guest |
| Posted: 05-11-2004 02:38 Post subject: |
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I'm putting my money on poisoning by 'deathcap toadstool' (amanita phalloides) , or it's related toxins. | Quote: | [B]...
"Amatoxins are cyclopeptides composed of a ring of amino acids that inhibit the production of specific proteins within liver and kidney cells. Without these proteins, cells cease to function. Following ingestion...five to twenty-four hours (average, twelve hours) pass before nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, and diarrhea begin. These initial symptoms are followed by a brief period of apparent improvement, but without treatment, severe liver damage and kidney failure often result in coma and death."
--Edible Wild Mushrooms of North America by Fischer and Bessette (1992, Univ. of Texas Press, Austin)
The delay before onset of symptoms, coupled with the intitial symptoms' mimicry of influenza and other gastrointestinal viruses and the marked (albeit temporary) improvement of most patients beginning two or three days after ingestion, pose inherent problems in prompt diagnosis and treatment.
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I wonder if Yasser was fond of mushroom omlet?  |
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| Mighty_Emperor Divine Wind
Joined: 18 Aug 2002 Total posts: 19943 Location: Mongo Age: 42 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 05-11-2004 16:33 Post subject: |
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| Seems just about everyone is admitting he is between life and death in what is being described as a "reversible coma" (although how they know this until it is actually reversed I don't know). It seems he is doing one last duty for his people - being kept on ice until the succession is in place and then they'll let him slip away. |
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| Anonymous |
| Posted: 05-11-2004 20:58 Post subject: If he has been poisned. |
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Then it came at the right time and my guess is that is was done by one of his own people,it's time for new blood.
Bill
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Besides i got tired of seing him in the same scarf (joking)or am i. |
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| Mighty_Emperor Divine Wind
Joined: 18 Aug 2002 Total posts: 19943 Location: Mongo Age: 42 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 06-11-2004 19:43 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Arafat poisoned?
BY CORKY SIEMASZKO
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Candles are lit for Yasser Arafat at Paris hospital, where he lies in a coma.
A Palenstian diplomat accused the Israelis yesterday of poisoning Yasser Arafat.
"The doctors until now could not diagnose precisely what is wrong with him, but it is believed there is a poison," Ali Kazak, who heads the Palestinian delegation to Australia, told the Herald Sun newspaper in Melbourne.
"It could be poison because they have checked everything, and his body is in good health, there is no cancer, it is not leukemia."
Arafat's doctor, Ashraf Kurdi, told the Al Jazeera satellite TV network that, "Arafat's health condition makes poisoning a strong possibility."
Israelis, who gave Arafat safe passage from his West Bank compound to a French military hospital last week, denied the charge.
"It's absolute nonsense; it's completely ridiculous," an Israeli government source said. Kurdi has not yet diagnosed Arafat's mysterious blood ailment, and last night the 75-year-old Palestinian leader was hovering "between life and death."
"He is in a coma," Leila Shahid, the Palestinian envoy to France, said. "We don't know the type, but it's a reversible coma. He may or may not wake up. All vital organs are functioning."
But other Arafat aides insisted their 75-year-old leader was brain dead and on life support. They said his wife, Suha, is weighing whether to pull the plug.
"He is being aided by respiratory machines and his condition appears irreversible," a high-ranking Palestinian official told the Israeli newspaper Haaretz.
Arafat jealously guarded his power and never appointed a successor. As he lay near death, Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia and Mahmoud Abbas, Arafat's No. 2 in the Palestine Liberation Organization, were taking the reins of the government.
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Originally published on November 6, 2004 |
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/250134p-214174c.html
| Quote: | Poison theory aired
06nov04
AILING Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat may have been the victim of an Israeli poisoning, according to Palestine's delegate to Australia Ali Kazak.
Mr Kazak, who was yesterday in regular contact with Palestinian Authority officials in the Middle East, said doctors were running tests specifically to look for poison traces in Mr Arafat's body.
"The doctors until now could not diagnose precisely what is wrong with him, but it is believed there is a poison," said Mr Kazak, the head of the general Palestinian delegation to Australia and ambassador of Palestine.
"It's not guessing, it's something the doctors believed . . it could be poison because they have checked everything and his body is in good health, there is no cancer, it is not leukemia." |
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,11298953%255E663,00.html |
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| mendhak Smoker Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Total posts: 277 Age: 32 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 06-11-2004 20:39 Post subject: |
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| Not a conspiracy, but I see the whole region spiralling downwards when he goes... |
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