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PostPosted: 23-07-2004 10:23    Post subject: Evidence proves "Monster Waves" theory Reply with quote

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Freak waves spotted from space

The shady phenomenon of freak waves as tall as 10 storey buildings had finally been proved, the European Space Agency (Esa) said on Wednesday.
Sailors often whisper of monster waves when ships sink mysteriously but, until now, no one quite believed them.

As part of a project called MaxWave - which was set up to test the rumours - two Esa satellites surveyed the oceans.

During a three week period they detected 10 giant waves, all of which were over 25m (81ft) high.

Strange disappearances

Over the last two decades more than 200 super-carriers - cargo ships over 200m long - have been lost at sea. Eyewitness reports suggest many were sunk by high and violent walls of water that rose up out of calm seas.

But for years these tales of towering beasts were written off as fantasy; and many marine scientists clung to statistical models stating monstrous deviations from the normal sea state occur once every 1,000 years.

Wolfgang Rosenthal, GKSS Research Centre, Germany
"Two large ships sink every week on average," said Wolfgang Rosenthal, of the GKSS Research Centre in Geesthacht, Germany. "But the cause is never studied to the same detail as an air crash. It simply gets put down to 'bad weather'."

To prove the phenomenon or lay the rumours to rest, a consortium of 11 organisations from six EU countries founded MaxWave in December 2000.

As part of the project, Esa tasked two of its Earth-scanning satellites, ERS-1 and ERS-2, to monitor the oceans with their radar.

The radars sent back "imagettes" - pictures of the sea surface in a rectangle measuring 10 by 5km (6 by 2.5 miles), which were taken every 200km (120 miles).

Around 30,000 separate imagettes were produced by the two satellites during a three-week period in 2001 - and the data was mathematically analysed.

Esa says the survey revealed 10 massive waves - some nearly 30m (100 ft) high.

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"The waves exist in higher numbers than anyone expected," said Dr Rosenthal.


Wave map

Ironically, while the MaxWave research was going on, two tourist liners endured terrifying ordeals. The Breman and the Caledonian Star cruisers had their bridge windows smashed by 30m waves in the South Atlantic.

The Bremen was left drifting for two hours after the encounter, with no navigation or propulsion.

Now that their existence is no longer in dispute, it is time to gain a better understanding of these rogues.

In the next phase of the research, a project called WaveAtlas will use two years' worth of imagettes to create a worldwide atlas of freak wave events.

The goal is to find out how these strange cataclysmic phenomena may be generated, and which regions of the seas are most at risk.

Dr Rosenthal concluded: "We know some of the reasons for the rogue waves, but we do not know them all."




BBCi News 22/07/04
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PostPosted: 23-07-2004 12:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is exciting, and it's also interesting how such a literally big phenonemon has escaped scientific credence for so long. It's like the meteorites.
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PostPosted: 25-07-2004 07:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taking into account the size of super-cargo carriers this is a very scary concept.
It surprises me that this satellite research didn't begin earlier.
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PostPosted: 25-07-2004 22:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

Typical. Eyewitnesses over the years have reported huge waves of water swamping vessels, but scientists have said "exaggeration, waves that high cannot be physically generated."
Well there you go, satellite cameras have seen them now so it must be so, "but of course, we don't understand the mechanism at present."roll eyes (sarcastic)
Giant cetaceans? Rubbish!
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brian ellwood wrote:

Typical. Eyewitnesses over the years have reported huge waves of water swamping vessels, but scientists have said "exaggeration, waves that high cannot be physically generated."
Well there you go, satellite cameras have seen them now so it must be so, "but of course, we don't understand the mechanism at present."roll eyes (sarcastic)
Giant cetaceans? Rubbish!
Watch just how quickly a classic Fortean phenomenon becomes seamlessly integrated into the fabric of scientific orthodoxy.

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Although the recent Horizon 'Freak Waves' programme on the subject did show that the theoretical mathematics do lead to a sort of harmonic, mega-wave version of "high C" on the high seas.


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PostPosted: 09-08-2004 13:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a cracking article from Today's Times (UK Newspaper).

Rogue waves swamp Atlantic rowing record attempt

And to think scientists were passing this phenonema off as "once in a thousand years". I love the dismissive tone of orthodox science...
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PostPosted: 10-08-2004 10:54    Post subject: Reply with quote

For some reason the thought of massive waves coming out of a calm sea scares the Bejaysus outta me *shudder*. Nature can be truly terrifying.
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PostPosted: 10-08-2004 11:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both my adult daughters have an irrational fear of tidal waves, arrived at independently.

We've never lived near the sea or been involved in any seagoing disaster. confused
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PostPosted: 18-04-2005 13:54    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Monday, April 18, 2005 - Page updated at 12:00 a.m.

Freak wave damages cruise ship, injuring 4

By The Associated Pres

CHARLESTON, S.C. — A seven-story wave damaged a cruise ship returning from the Bahamas over the weekend, smashing windows, flooding more than 60 cabins and injuring four passengers.

The Norwegian Dawn was diverted from its route when the ship ran into rough weather on the way back to New York on Saturday.

The 965-foot-long vessel docked in the Charleston harbor for repairs, and departed for New York early yesterday after a Coast Guard inspection, officials said. It was expected back in New York by noon today.

"The ship was hit by a freak wave that caused two windows to break in two different cabins," Norwegian Cruise Line said in a statement. It said 62 cabins flooded and four passengers suffered cuts and bruises. The wave reached as high as deck 10 on the ship, company spokeswoman Susan Robison said yesterday.

James Fraley, who was taking a honeymoon cruise with his wife, said they called their loved ones as the wave pounded the boat because they thought the ship was going down.

"It was pure hell. We're talking ... waves hitting the 10th floor, knocking Jacuzzis on the 12th floor overboard, people sleeping in hallways in life jackets," Fraley told WCBD-TV in Charleston. "Just pure pandemonium."

The ship's hull was damaged, but the vessel was not taking on water, said Keith Moore of the Coast Guard Group Charleston.

"All the passengers had donned personal flotation devices as a precaution," Moore told The (Charleston) Post and Courier.

The cruise line said that passengers whose cabins were flooded were being flown home from Charleston and that the safety of the ship "was in no way compromised by this incident." Each passenger on the ship got a refund of half the trip's cost and a voucher for half the price of a future cruise, Robison said.

Fraley said cruise-ship employees also opened the bar. "They tried giving free alcohol away to make up for it," he said. "That's not going to do it."

The ship left New York last Sunday with 2,500 passengers aboard.

Robison said about 300 passengers decided not to return by boat. About 100 people were flown back to New York and the rest made their own arrangements, she said.

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PostPosted: 18-04-2005 15:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

But Ive heard that cruises are not worth it anyway...

Read a book about those ships sinking many years back. Author put it down to metal fatigue which may contribute. (a ships not going to sink if the hull remains intact and it is able to retain positive bouyancy.) But also the fact that most sailors these days come from very poor nations, and so no one gets worked up when they die...
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PostPosted: 21-04-2005 14:54    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Taking into account the size of super-cargo carriers this is a very scary concept.
It surprises me that this satellite research didn't begin earlier.

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For some reason the thought of massive waves coming out of a calm sea scares the Bejaysus outta me *shudder*. Nature can be truly terrifying.


With regards to the first quote, its all very well considering the size of these super-carriers when paced in drydock with a human of "average" stature as a reference point. But put that same super-carriier in a body of water that covers roughly two-thirds of an entire planet... it's like trying to fill a fish tank with one piece of plankton!!

as to the second, with the greatest of respect, do give over Very Happy. Mother Nature has been doing this a lot longer that we've been around. Its only we, as a species, that has the audacity to consider this a personal act of aggression against us.

Besides, given the amount of grief we've given her over the years, she has every right to be somewhat peeved imo .

I mean there's somewhere in the region of 7 billion people in the world and still growing!! omg This wonderful, beautiful planet we live on has already just about reached saturation level. I say, lets have a MEGA superwave!! index2.htm
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PostPosted: 21-04-2005 15:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi canwyll corf. I'm not sure that your views and the one's posted are mutually exclusive, though. I'm, as much as the next guy, all for a series of F5 twisters descending on Kansas this afternoon. Shocked Twisted Evil Doesn't mean I won't be really frightened when the tornado sirens go off. Smile
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PostPosted: 21-04-2005 19:52    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The ship left New York last Sunday with 2,500 passengers aboard.

Robison said about 300 passengers decided not to return by boat. About 100 people were flown back to New York and the rest made their own arrangements, she said.


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002244663_bigwave18.html


LOL, how could 2,100 people make their "own arrangments" to get back!!

I could see it now>> "Yeah we just happen to have friends with a cigarette boat roaming these waters at random." wtf?
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Human_84, it is worded slightly akwardly, but I think the inference is that they rented cars, took trains, etc. from Charleston, South Carolina to their respective homes, rather than taking the Cruise Ship Company's offer of either being flown back to New York or waiting for the ship to be repaired.
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PostPosted: 22-04-2005 09:28    Post subject: Reply with quote

More to the point, I think you'll find that it is only 200 people who made their own arrangements. As only 300 didn't take the boat back, and 100 of them were flown back at the company's expense.
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