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Posted: 30-01-2002 17:16 Post subject: Muti murder

What does everybody make of the alleged Muti murder. The body of a young boy was found washed up on the Thames minus arms and legs (possibly head as well). Then they find a large cloth with candles in it and a name written on it.

If it wasn't for the fact that a young boy has been killed I would have put it down to a Sherlock Holmes style story.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/england/newsid_1780000/1780990.stm

Posted: 30-01-2002 18:13 Post subject:

Since the writing of this article they'r have been similar cases in hollond, although like the south africa there is no fromal link between them, it could be a number of things, one possability, though rather grim is that these kids are being used in porn films and killed this way to throw the sent off the killers, this has happend in thailand for many years it was only a matter of time before it hit the western world. this is only an educated guess, it could be ritual killings or totally unrelated.

Posted: 05-02-2002 01:22 Post subject:

A colleague of mine who worked in Zimbabwe for three years told me armed gangs of bandits in the bush would wear childrens hands or feet on their belts or round their necks. These Muti charms would render them bulletproof. Or so they believed. These beliefs and practices have re-established themselves in the bush tribes in recent years. He was working as a Christian missionary and he believed that the people had for the mostpart gone back to their ancient beliefs, of which Muti is a part. To find it turning up in London doesn't stretch my imagination at all.

Posted: 05-02-2002 12:46 Post subject:

It's probably not related, but this doesn't seem to be a new phenomena to London, at least;

http://www.casebook.org/victims/whitehal.html
http://www.casebook.org/victims/pinchin.html

Posted: 05-02-2002 13:16 Post subject:

Nice websites, there goes my afternoon, reading them. Cheers

Posted: 05-02-2002 14:48 Post subject:

What haunts me about this case is that either some parents somewhere are missing a child or that some parents provided a child for this purpose......sick, sick world:(

Posted: 05-02-2002 14:51 Post subject:

Scary what goes on out there.

Posted: 06-02-2002 16:12 Post subject: First Muti killing in UK !!!

Sorry this is such a long piece, but it was disturbing enough to put the whole article here :

Feb. 4 — The body discovered in the Thames River on Sept. 21 last year raised alarm bells from the start. It belonged to a boy, aged 5 to 7 years old, of Afro-Caribbean descent, and it was missing its head, arms and legs.

Two weeks later, police found seven half-burned candles wrapped in a white sheet washed up on the southern shore of the Thames. The name Adekoye Jo Fola Adeoye was written on the sheet and the name Fola Adeoye was inscribed on the candles. The names are Nigerian, common to the Yoruba people, police experts said, but they have not been able to trace them to anyone in London's vast African expatriate community.
This month, a South African expert in ritualistic killings performed a second autopsy on the body of the boy, and pronounced what many people had feared. The discovery of the body, the nature of the wounds, and the way the boy was killed "are consistent with those of a ritual homicide as practiced in Africa," said Dr. Hendrick Scholtz.
Using Up the Blood and the Bones
Police in the United Kingdom are now considering the possibility that they may be facing the first "muti" murder ever committed there. "Muti" is a South African word that means traditional medicine in general, said Phillips Stevens, an anthropology professor at the State University of New York at Buffalo.
"But in a modern context, it has come to mean pagan or occult," he said.
Muti is medicine used to "bring about a result," but that result can be bettering one's health, or fortune, or prospects. It is always based on the idea of taking energy from another living thing for your own.
At times, the energies provided by herbs or animals are enough. But human beings are believed to have the most energy.
And children, it is believed, have the most powerful energy. "They have not been contaminated, they have not grown up and used it for adult purposes, so they have not been used up yet," Stevens said.
Authorities said the body found in the Thames had its head and limbs severed with a sharp knife, and they have not yet been found. Its first vertebra, valued by practitioners of muti, was also reportedly removed.
If the boy was the victim of a muti murder, those parts would have likely been ground up, and his blood would have been drained for medicine, experts said.
The Screams Keep the Powers Fresh
Most of the body parts taken for medicine correspond directly with the powers desired, experts said.
For example, using eyeballs in a potion would be expected to increase foresight, brains would be expected to aid wisdom, and a heart — courage or sympathy, Stevens said.
In one case of muti murder in South Africa in the 1940s, a man who had difficulty fathering children tried to solve his problem by killing another man who had many children, and using his genitals in a medicine.
In another case, a butcher used a severed human hand to slap each of his products every morning before opening, as a way of invoking the spirits to beckon customers.
But the most gruesome part of muti is that the body parts are usually taken while the victim is alive, because death is believed to reduce the potency of the medicine.
In an alleged muti murder case that took place in South Africa last October, a gang was accused of removing the facial skin, genitalia, breasts, hands and feet of a young mother while she was still alive, local reports said.
The victim lived for an hour or more after the attack before dying from her wounds, investigators said. They said the parts were to be smeared over a person, or eaten, as a part of a get-rich-quick spell.
A Secret World
Growing up in Africa, Benjamin Ola Akande said it wasn't uncommon to read about as many as a dozen muti murders in a year.
"It's such a common practice the [newspapers] don't write about it anymore," said Akande, now a dean at Webster University in St. Louis.
The accused were usually business people looking to get rich, he said, and the victims were typically the homeless or lost kids — those who were most difficult to trace.
But Stevens said many of these stories were often apocryphal. The accounts of muti "correlate with times of social stress and social anxiety," he said.
He said muti stories had proliferated in South Africa since the end of apartheid in 1993, and in Nigeria with the start of democracy in 1998. Scotland Yard is also investigating the possibility of that the possible muti murder in Britain may in fact be the work of a pedophile, or a mercy killing.
But that's not to say muti murders are simple social phenomena. In some African markets, there are muti sections that offers items for sacrifice, among them animal parts, experts said.
Stevens said, "there's a belief if you really want to find human body parts you have to know how to ask for them." He added that many practitioners of muti, or sangomas, might even encourage this belief to enhance their aura, or the feeling that there is a secret underworld.
Nevertheless, there was near-universal agreement among those contacted by ABCNEWS.com that human sacrifice was by no means a part of African tradition. It is considered aberrant behavior, they said, and Stevens pointed out that murder is illegal in all societies.
To kill another human being for medicine is "a clear sign of desperation," Akande said.

ABC new 6th of Feb 2002
Moggadon

Posted: 09-02-2002 08:54 Post subject:

Maybe people are succumbing to the effects of constant stress, as well. Life is moving at an even faster pace than 50 years ago and, no doubt, population is increasing in a fixed amount of inhabitable land. I remember reading something in a class one time about how they did this experiment with population density using lab rats. The lab rats became far more vicious and hostile towards one another when they were overcrowded and a lot ended up killing one another.

Maybe a similar thing is happening to people (along with other factors promoting clinical depression such as: increasingly long hours trapped in the workplace without exposure to sunlight, higher levels of daily stress, etc...).

Posted: 19-04-2002 13:18 Post subject: Muti = new SRA scare?

"We expose the 'experts' as Police and Media swallow their second dose of fundamentalist poison. You read in your tabloid newspapers that Britain was at the mercy of Black Muti ritual child-killers -but it was nothing of the kind. Now we expose the astonishing information, which disproves it.
In 1990 the police actually helped discredit the first Satan Scare but today the situation is dangerously different. The Met has fallen headlong into the trap set for them by the Satan hunters and are actively pursing phantom ritual killers.
Marvel at how the very same people who started the 1990 Satan Scare are using the Thames Torso case today as a fulcrum to sucker-in the very authorities who cast them out as troublemakers earlier! As usual the weak-kneed British media are falling for the same lies yet again. The BBC's Black Britain series toed the 'imperialist' line and painted Black Africans who still hold to their tribal beliefs, as potential ritualistic killers! (Nobody's Child BBC2, April 2, 2002).
Kobus Jonker is billed as an 'expert' in African ritual killing and cult crime and according to the BBC's Black Britain programme his contribution to the Thames Torso case helped convince the Metropolitan police that it was a case of Ritual Murder. Jonker insists that ritual sacrifice is a regular occurrence in South Africa.
Based on this 'fact' they have deduced that the Thames Torso Killing is evidence of it being imported into the U.K. In fact in 8 years on the trail of ritual killers Jonker has not been able to find any conclusive ritual murders in South Africa. We take his 'cases' apart on our website (www.saff.connectfree.co.uk/ttorso2.htm)

Jonker is a South African equivalent of the Cult Cops who drove the SRA Myth in the U.S.A. and later here. The South African experience of 'ritual murder' is the very same Satanic Ritual Abuse Myth, which the British police threw out in 1994, returned to haunt us! Jonker's expertise must have mightily convinced the Metropolitan Police for earlier this week they sent two detectives to South Africa to follow up the claims; but they are rubbish.
Jonker was not alone in making claims of a ritual killing in the Thames Torso case, our old friend and obsessive Satanic Ritual Abuse exponent Valerie Sinason has been working with Jonker for ‘years’ (see her long history of Pursuing the Satanic Ritual Abuse Myth on:
[www.saff.connectfree.co.uk/sinalt.htm)
Other British seasoned Satan Hunters also have been involved. The abiding impression from comments in the Black Britain programme was that a form of absolute evil had been imported into the British Black community by uncivilised, criminal witch-doctor/s who are waiting to prey on the next victim. This Muti-Myth is a clear recipe for racial tension and one that the government should control with an iron fist. Basic errors are being made. The British Police have declared the Thames Torso case to have been a 'Voodoo' killing, yet there is no Voodoo in South Africa. Voodoo is practised solely by the Yoruba tribes of Dahomey, a thousand miles to the North West and out of the jurisdiction of Jonker and his kind. Whatever cases the South African Police are investigating they are not Voodoo. Kobus Jonker is a Christian fundamentalist. His deputy, Policewoman Rietta Everton, is also a Christian fundamentalist. Jonker is on record as saying: 'I believe the devil exists because I have seen things happen. I have seen a woman being attacked right in my presence by a demonic being, cuts just appearing on her arms and three sixes manifesting'.
The Metropolitan Police seem to have based their conclusions about one of the most horrific cases of murder in modern times on the work of bible-thumping sectarians who are primarily obsessed with fighting 'The Devil'.
It gets worse: Right up to October 2000 Jonkers was actively hunting down SATANISTS first and foremost. This was a no-apology continuation of the
Satanic Ritual Abuse Myth. Is this the standard of evidence we expect Scotland Yard to give credence to? There were only two clear criminal cases with 'ritual killing' overtones which Jonker's Occult Related Crime Squad had ever investigated. Both are nothing of the kind. We expose Jonker's 'proof' with detailed factual background on our website. Click on www.saff.connectfree.co.uk/ttorso2.htm to see the amazing truth which Scotland Yard missed.
Jonker says that all occult crimes are caused by possession by the devil.
Is the Met now going to employ an exorcist to solve murders they cannot fathom? Why was Jonker accepted as an 'expert' in ritual killing by the Metropolitan police and the BBC? Satanic Fever is coursing through South Africa just as it did here in the early 1990s. The tsunami of Satanic Ritual Abuse engulfed Europe, particularly Scandinavia, Holland, Belgium and Denmark and the moved on into South Africa.
Some of the leading Satan Hunters in those countries attended the last Ritual Abuse Information Network Satan Seminar, held in Reading during September 2001 (see [/URL] "[URL=http://www.saff.connectfree.co.uk/reading.htm ]www.saff.connectfree.co.uk/reading.htm [/URL] for details).
The Ritual Abuse Information Network (RAIN) organised the infamous Satan Seminars of 1990/1991 but went 'underground' after being ostracised for their earlier mistakes. For the past decade RAIN have been building up friends in high places and have formed a phalanx of 'experts' who are willing to pursue the myth and convince gullible newcomers. The Satan Hunters have been awaiting just such an incident as the Thames Torso case and are making the most of it! This could end up being the biggest Satan Hoax ever!

S.A. POLICE BANNED JONKER FROM SATAN SEMINARS

In March 1999 senior police officers at National Police Headquarters in South Africa had had enough of the Occult Related Crimes Unit. SAPS bosses BANNED Jonker from continuing to give seminars on Satanism to Churches. What a turn up! The South African police seek to curtail the Occult Related Crimes Unit long before the British Police sucker into it.

THE REAL HORROR OF THE CASE

However that is not the nub of this tale, the real horror is that there is a murderer on the loose in London who may be black or may be white and may indeed strike again and who only has to add something bizarre to his/her modus operandi to muddy the waters and have the Met running in circles looking for Satanists and voodooists.

BUT THERE ARE OTHER DANGERS TO BRITISH SOCIETY: It's not just that the Muti Myth provides racists with the opportunity and 'justification' to pursue their hateful prejudices, but that it heralds a completely new and very invidious departure in police investigating techniques.
If the police can establish the novel idea that gruesome crimes for which they cannot fathom a motive are likely to be the result of supernatural methods, which are impossible to detect, it could become a very convenient excuse in ‘bizarre' cases, which they find difficulty in solving.
If this lack of intellectual rigour continues it won't be long before British policemen are equipped with Witch-prickers along with their CS gas guns.

Ends:

Full details and more revelations on: www.saff.connectfree.co.uk/ttorso2.htm"

Posted: 19-04-2002 13:36 Post subject:

Very interesting post Annasdottir. I tend to have doubts when a murder is blamed on 'exotic black magic practices'. If ritualistic Muti killing was so common in the UK, surely, it would have been noticed a bit earlier - there would be more bodies, for a start.

About Blueswidow's comment on the child's parents, I thought the same thing when they found the burned body of a 12-year old in a park and the media said the police would have to wait until school started again to figure out who the kid was.
Surely, the parents would have reported their child missing. And if the child was an illegal immigrant killed by the people who smuggled him into the country, as was suggested, then I doubt he would have been sent to school.
Either that, or there are so many missing children the police don't know where to start. Sad

Posted: 19-04-2002 14:07 Post subject:

There is a custom in many parts of Africa whereby children are sent away to live with relations in more prosperous countries.

There is increasing disquiet about this in British police and social services circles as nobody knows how many of these children are here, with whom or how well they are looked after.

The recent Victoria Climbie case shows how such informal fostering can go wrong. It seems possible that a kid might be sent to Britain in good faith by the parents and come to a sticky end at the hands of strangers unnoticed by the authorities.

If we don't know a kid is here, we can't look for it when it goes missing, and nobody will know there's been a murder if the body is well enough hidden.

No need for muti, voodoo or any other mumbo-jumbo.
A child without adult protection in a foreign country is extremely and dangerously vulnerable.

Having the dubious privilege of living in South Africa, the local media has been bombarded with the Investigators from Scotland Yard who are out here to find out more about "Muti" Murders. In my limited experience from talking to black people who still go to witchdoctors, muti is very seldom made from human bits and pieces (similar to the three fold rule in wiccan, whatever you do or use comes back to you so you'd better make it for good) In the rare instance of "dark" witchdoctors using body parts, the external organs like heads, hands and feet are seldom used (probably from the risk of getting caught - try explaining that to an unsympathetic magistrate) but rather instead the internal organs are used like the heart of a lion for courage, very symbolic and arcane. Animals are used with great relish much to the detriment of protected and endangered species. For a south of the equator african witchdoctor to kill and mutilate a young boy seems highly unlikely especially since no organs were removed and they would be the major ingredients in any muti. It seems more likely that the poor child was probably involed in a porn ring or snuff movie and something went wrong and the boy died, and in order to make it impossible to dentify the body the head, arms and legs were removed. But at the end of the day it is easier to blame something that no-one really understands like tribal religion/satanism/wiccan or whatever rocks your boat.
Which brings me back to Mr Jonker - Frightening man - STAY AWAY !!
I had the awful experience of having to deal with him when a friend of mine was threatened by her ex boyfriend with tales of hit lists from the local coven and horrible things happening to her pets and the Occult Unit investigating her. I tried to reason with the man in order to find out the truth but it was like speaking to a christian (no offence meant) brick wall. Everytime I asked him to explain how the local Satanic coven could possibly know who went to a local nightclub and put their names and details on this master list without seeing identity documents, I got a lecture on the sad state of this unchristian country and how all children were at risk. I gave up eventually but it proved my point, the man is insane. All he can think about is the "Swart Gevaar" (Black Danger) from an evangelical point of view. Anything that is not christian is automatically satanic. And that's a sad state of affairs, what about all the greys inbetween?

The latest news break has Mr Mandela appealing to Africa to identify the boy, I really hope someone realises that their child is missing.

Posted: 19-04-2002 23:08 Post subject:

Posted: 27-05-2002 10:16 Post subject: Police study ritual killing 'links'

ritual killings across europe?

The possibility of linked ritualistic killings across Europe is to be examined following the discovery of a boy's torso in the Thames.

Detectives are meeting at a conference in the Netherlands on Monday in support of an investigation by the Metropolitan Police.

Scotland Yard is continuing to investigate the discovery of a young boy's body found near Tower Bridge last September.

Over the last 10 years there have been several suspected ritual murders on the continent, in countries including Belgium, France, Italy, Sweden and Germany.

Police forces will also compare techniques in combating ritual murders and the problem of child trafficking from sub-Saharan Africa.

Dismembered body:

The one-day conference in The Hague has been organised by the European Union's police force, Europol.

Scotland Yard believes the young boy's death could be linked to ritualistic murders that have occurred in some African countries.

It has also enlisted the help of former South African President Nelson Mandela, who has appealed for information.

The force has previously worked with officers from the Netherlands, following a similar murder there last year.

In that case the dismembered body of a young white girl was found in a lake in the centre of the country, while her head was found at the Hook of Holland in the west.

Ideas:

No firm links between the killings were found, but officers still hope they can learn from one another.

The detectives will be joined at the conference by academics with expertise in the field.

They will discuss whether killings across Europe could be linked.

It is also hoped that ideas on establishing the country of origin of victims can be shared in a bid to identify more of them.

WTF! I knew of another in the Thames and two in Scotland (glasgow area actually!). Whats going on???