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CavynautOffline
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PostPosted: 07-03-2005 01:56    Post subject: Railway Ghosts? Reply with quote

I came across this story on a railway enthusiast board that I belong to a couple of nights ago.

Most of the British members of this board will recall the Great Heck crash about three years ago. For those who don't, basically a car driver crashed onto the main East Coast railway line, causing a collision between a goods train and a passenger train. Several people died as a result, including the driver of the goods train. The goods train locomotive was so badly damaged that it was broken up and a replacement locomotive ordered.

Anyway, the upshot of the story is that the company concerned, GB Railfreight, named another of their locomotives after the driver who was so tragically killed.

One of the members of the board I referred to is a driver at the depot (FB, Ferrybridge?, I'm not up on the new codes) at which the dead driver worked, and he happened to mention that he, and the other drivers, have experienced some odd occurences on the locomotive which was named after the deceased driver. Things such as brakes coming on for no good reason, and the engine revving way over what it should do. Apparently it got to a point where the company concerned offered to have the loco blessed by a priest. I find it interesting that these things began to be reported after the locomotive was named in honour of the deceased driver.

As a railway enthusiast of about 35 years standing, I do know of other stories concerning 'bad luck' or 'jinxed' locomotives, and I just wondered if anyone else (principally jima or Escargot, as they both appear to be rail enthusiasts) had heard anything about this or any other case.
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PostPosted: 07-03-2005 04:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd love to know why they decided that the locomotive might need a priest's blessing as opposed to a good mechanic. Clearly, they must have exhausted the more prosaic, "nuts and bolts" options.

Do you have any more details?
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PostPosted: 07-03-2005 14:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

Minor Drag wrote:


Do you have any more details?


Not in particular, only that the locomotive concerned was a state of the art, almost brand new machine.
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PostPosted: 07-03-2005 14:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hooo, I'm in heaven, ghosts AND trains, my two favourite things! Laughing

Haven't heard this story but give it time. Wink
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PostPosted: 07-03-2005 15:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a railway ghost. This was told to me many times by my nan, it was her mother that witnessed it.
Her mother was Scots, a stern, strong, chapel-going woman, but this was in Wales , when they lived in Six Bells near Abertillery.
One night, waiting for my nans Dad to come home, she decided to go and meet him, as he was late, it was dark but she knew the way he was coming home, and he would follow the railway line, which was what she did. She had no torch, but at times the blast furnaces of Ebbw Vale would light up the sky, and anyway, it was not pitch black, apparently. After a time, she heard footsteps crunching along the track, well, it could be her husband, or it could be a stranger, or a vagrant, so she played safe and hid behind some bushes near the track, to see the person go by her.
The steps came level and went on and she looked out, it was dark, but then the glare form the steelworks illiminated the sky and she could see. The man walking down the track was headless.
Not a woman to be easily shaken, my nan said she was nevertheless almost fainting when she got home. She was told the next day, of a fatal rail crash that had ahppened the night before, when a goods train, collided with a stationary train, and the driver had been decapitated. She held to this all her long life, it was not a trick of the light, or her imagination, she swore on the Bible that the man who had walked past her, and who she had seen clearly, for more than a few moments, had no head above his shoulders. I asked once if the ' apparition ' had disapeared, she said her mother had not hung around long enough to find out. Shocked
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PostPosted: 07-03-2005 15:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a scary story!

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she said her mother had not hung around long enough to find out.

A sensible woman! Shocked


We have a Ghostly Railway Station in the IHTM archives on here.
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PostPosted: 07-03-2005 17:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's this one (the link has a load of pictures of crashed class 47's on it too Confused )

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An accident occurred on December 9th 1983 which might, had it not involved loss of life, have been regarded as comical. The loco involved was the so-called 'jinxed' 47299 (ex-D1866/47216). 47216 had been renumbered 47299 two years earlier, in response to a warning given to BR by a soothsayer who had foreseen a serious accident involving 47216. I refer the reader to Paul Screeton's excellent and comprehensive account of this incident


link to Paul Screetons account

Theres another I have in a book somewhere about a steam engine, I'll have a look for it in a bit
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PostPosted: 07-03-2005 17:24    Post subject: Reply with quote

the one I was thinking of was Grantham in 1906

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On the night of 19 September 1906 the 8.45 from King's Cross to Edinburgh, Atlantic Class locomotive no 276, was approaching Grantham. The events that followed are well documented but briefly the steam locomotive entered Grantham station at high speed at 11.03pm and derailed at the north end of the station coming to a rest down the west embankment just past the bridge over Old Wharf Road. The driver, Fred Fleetwood, fireman Ralph Talbot and twelve others were killed. The cause of the crash has never been completely understood.


in O.S Nock's book Historic Railway Disasters it mentions this, plus that the locomotive "was always regarded as one of ill omen. Among Great Northern men she became looked upon in the same way that on the high seas there are unlucky ships.".
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PostPosted: 07-03-2005 18:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

what is it about trains and ghosts that go so naturally together? is it the romanticism of the rails? were there this many ghost stories surrounding railways before cars and planes became the dominat forms of transportation?
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PostPosted: 07-03-2005 19:03    Post subject: Reply with quote

In one of those bits of synchronicity that occur quite often on this board I was about to start a similar thread to this one when Cavynaut beat me to it.

For a while now I’ve been playing with the idea of compiling a kind of gazetteer, mainly for my own amusement, of the peculiar as it occurs in and around my own stamping ground of the Peak District - and in a haphazard and desultory way I’ve managed to compile quite a bit of information.

Anyway, this story cropped up way back in the days of the old style IHTM. It's stuck in my mind since then, partly because I like it as a story and partly because it allegedly occurred somewhere in my own back yard. I was wondering if any other people from around the region had heard this one from any other source or if it was known to those with an interest both in the supernatural and in the railways. If nothing else I’d be really interested to know where the incident supposedly occurred.

Cavynaut, maybe you could try your mates on the railway enthusiasts message board.
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PostPosted: 07-03-2005 19:11    Post subject: Reply with quote

CoffeeJedi wrote:
what is it about trains and ghosts that go so naturally together? is it the romanticism of the rails? were there this many ghost stories surrounding railways before cars and planes became the dominat forms of transportation?


I suspect there'd be more interesting ones, whether there were more stories from then I'm not so sure, but any ghost stories to do with trains always seem to sound better when they involve steam trains and deserted late night stationsy. It's hard to get so interested in a story that goes, for example "I was sitting at Welwyn Garden City train station and the ghost of an Intercity 225 passed through platform 3 and disappeared Smile

or something anyway
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PostPosted: 07-03-2005 23:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

jima wrote:

in O.S Nock's book Historic Railway Disasters it mentions this, plus that the locomotive "was always regarded as one of ill omen. Among Great Northern men she became looked upon in the same way that on the high seas there are unlucky ships.".


Another 'jinxed' locomotive.

The infamous D326 (40126)
This was probably the most famed diesel loco, but for all the wrong reasons. On Boxing Day 1962 it was hauling the up Midday Scot when it collided with the rear of a Liverpool to Birmingham express due to driver error, killing 18 passengers and injuring 33. On 8th August 1963 it was hauling the overnight West Coast Postal and became involved with the 'Great Train Robbery'. In 1964 a secondman was electrocuted by the overhead wire while working outside the loco. Finally, in 1965 the loco suffered total brake failure on the approach to Birmingham New Street. Luckily in this case, the train was diverted into another platform at the last minute by a quick-thinking signalman, and smashed into the back of a freight train, injuring only the guard.

http://www.cfps.co.uk/40story2.htm
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PostPosted: 08-03-2005 19:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can I commend 'Railway Ghosts and Phantoms' by W.B.Herbert (Guild pub.1989) It's out of press but there are quite a few knocking about on preserved railways, etc., a splendid collection of yarns and anecdotes.
I believe you can now buy the infamous D326 as a model. I wonder if its reputation, suitably scaled down might continue?
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Hello everyone,
I can honestly say after many years experience working on our wonderful railway infrastructure that i often meet people who have a spooky tale to tell.These can vary from haunted stations to signal boxes. The one that i come across most is 'that tunnels haunted you know'. I am starting to belive that every tunnel in Britain has either the ghost of a suicide victim or an Irish Navvy who was buried alive during its construction.

Haunted Loco's are new to me Caveynaut!, I think you will find the owner of the said Loco are Freightliner and not GB Railfreight as you stated in your original post. Sorry to pull you on that one mate, as we had that loco (Class 66) from brand new, tipping ballast on the CTRL in Kent about 2 years ago.

Ive got a couple of stories about hauntings on the track but to me they sound a bit far fetched.(Arthur Askey in the film the Ghost Train springs to mind) !
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PostPosted: 10-03-2005 18:46    Post subject: Reply with quote

Box Tunnel is supposed to be very unpleasant, I know. Even if they are far fetched Gazwaz, please post your tales!
I also have read ' Railway Ghosts and Phantoms ' and recommed that too, although I haven't read it in about 4 years.
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