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PostPosted: 23-06-2013 02:39    Post subject: Reply with quote

OOh that's dirty!

Things have moved on since the days of Cecil Sharp. I'm off to take a look. Smile
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PostPosted: 23-06-2013 03:40    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surprised

Oh, it's not the least bit dirty, it's from the provincial anthem of Newfoundland, or something like that. About jigging squid. Which is what they do in Newfoundland, I guess. In another verse, it explains that

There's a red-headed Tory
out in a dory


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PostPosted: 23-06-2013 04:05    Post subject: Reply with quote

So that's all right then! Smile
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PostPosted: 23-06-2013 04:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

(In case anyone was wondering.)


Oh, this is the place where the fishermen gather,
In oilskins and boots and Cape Anns battened down;
All sizes of figures with squid lines and jiggers,
They congregate here on the squid-jiggin' ground.

Some are working their jiggers while others are yarnin',
There's some standing up and there's more lyin' down;
While all kinds of fun, jokes and tricks are begun,
As they wait for the squid on the squid-jiggin' ground.

There's men of all ages and boys in the bargain,
There's old Billy Cave and there's young Raymond Brown;
There's a red headed Tory out here in a dory,
A-runnin' down Squires on the squid-jiggin' ground.

There's men from the Harbour, there's men from the Tickle,
In all kinds of motorboats, green, grey and brown;
Right yonder is Bobby and with him is Nobby,
He's a-chawin' hardtack on the squid-jiggin' ground.

God bless my sou'wester, there's Skipper John Chaffey,
He's the best hand at squid jiggin' here, I'll be bound;
Hello, what's the rough? Why he's jiggin' one now,
The very first squid on the squid-jiggin' ground.

The man with the whisker is old Jacob Steele,
He's getting well up but he's still pretty sound;
While Uncle Bob Hawkins wears six pairs of stockings,
Whenever he's out on the squid-jiggin' ground.

Holy smoke! What a scuffle, all hands are excited,
'Tis a wonder to me that there's nobody drowned;
There's a bustle, confusion, a wonderful hustle,
They're all jiggin' squids on the squid-jiggin' ground.

Says Bobby, "The squids are on top of the water,
I just got me jiggers 'bout one fathom down."
But a squid in the boat squirted right down his throat,
And he's swearing like mad on the squid-jiggin' ground.

There's poor Uncle Billy, his whiskers are spattered,
With spots of the squid juice that's flyin' around;
One poor little boy got it right in in his eye,
But they don't give a darn on the squid-jiggin' ground.

Now, if ever you feel inclined to go squiddin',
Leave your white shirts and collars behind in the town;
And if you get cranky without your silk hanky,
You better steer clear of the squid-jiggin' ground.


"The Squid Jigging Ground" -- Arthur R. Scammell © BMI Canada, Ltd., 1966
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PostPosted: 23-06-2013 11:25    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definitely travelling into Rambling Sid Rumpo territory, here.

Ballad of the Woggler's Moulie:
http://youtu.be/rGRa_ZoOX24

&

The Grungerman of Lowestoft:
http://youtu.be/hKdJZbRParA

To think that these marvellous pieces of social history might so easily have been lost to posterity.

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PostPosted: 23-06-2013 12:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pietro_Mercurios wrote:
Definitely travelling into Rambling Sid Rumpo territory, here.

When I was a boy, I listened to the various radio comedies that Kenneth Williams performed in. I thought he was just funny at the time, but it's only in the last few years I've come to realise that his pastiche folk-songs revealed that he actually had a good knowledge of the genre.

In between times I got into folk music myself, and now, in my later years, the magic of iPlayer and YouTube, etc, enables me to listen again with more educated ears to Ramblin Syd and his ditties. I suspect KW was a closet member of the EFDSS! After all, double-entendre was part of the English folksong tradition, and he just put his own words to traditional songs.
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PostPosted: 26-06-2013 08:05    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fisherman's Friends release Trevor Grills memorial single

Sea shanty group Fisherman's Friends have released a single in memory of one of their singers who died.
The group from Port Isaac in Cornwall were on tour in February when Trevor Grills was killed, along with their tour manager.
Mr Grills, 54, from Port Isaac, and Mr McMullen, 44, from Disley in Cheshire, were hit by the door at the G Live venue in Guildford.

The remaining nine members said the deaths had been "devastating".
The band have only performed once since the tragedy, at Mr Grills' funeral service.

But the singers have released the single Mary Anne, which was recorded in January and features Mr Grills.
He also featured in a video filmed near Padstow for the song.

Their second album, One And All - due to be released in March - is to now be released in August.

But despite the release of the single and album, the "future for the group and the nine remaining members of The Fisherman's Friends is still uncertain," the singers said.

"Nothing feels right without Trevor, and the events of earlier this year will not be forgotten quickly.
"We are just not ready to make any decisions about the future of the group at this stage and performing without him is just unthinkable."

Singer Jon Cleave said there had been "a lot of discussions" about the group's future.
He said: "We meet every week, we don't sing, we just chat stuff through. It was terrific to be able to do that."

He added that members had been "absolutely overwhelmed and astonished" by the support from fans around the world, with many urging them to continue in Grills' honour.
"It's been very heartening to know people want us to sing again," he said.

The 10-piece group, from Port Isaac, were given a £1m recording contract after being discovered by music industry bosses during a pub concert.
In 2010, the band received a gold disc after they sold more than 100,000 albums.
They have since performed at the Glastonbury Festival.

Ealing Studios was working on developing a film charting the rise of the cappella group.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-23031116
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PostPosted: 01-07-2013 20:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

dreeness wrote:
Surprised

Oh, it's not the least bit dirty, it's from the provincial anthem of Newfoundland, or something like that. About jigging squid. Which is what they do in Newfoundland, I guess. In another verse, it explains that

There's a red-headed Tory
out in a dory


Confused


On the other hand, this is filthy: -

On the 14th of May, at the dawn of the day
With me gun on me shoulder to the woods I did stray
In search of some game, if the weather prove fair
To see can I get a shot at the bonny black hare

I met a young girl there with her face as a rose
And her skin was as fair as the lily that grows
I says, My fair maid, why ramble you so
Can you tell me where the bonny black hare do go

The answer she gave me, O, the answer was no
But under me apron they say it do go
And if you'll not deceive me, I vow and declare
We'll both go together to hunt the bonny black hare
...........

and so on.

Or what about: -

As I was a walking one morning in May
I met a pretty fair maid and unto her did say
I'll tell you me mind, it's for love I am inclined
And me inclination lies in your cuckoo's nest


Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 01-07-2013 20:41    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boulters_Canary1 wrote:
On the other hand, this is filthy: -

On the 14th of May, at the dawn of the day
With me gun on me shoulder to the woods I did stray
In search of some game, if the weather prove fair
To see can I get a shot at the bonny black hare
...

No, that's not filthy, it's just good healthy desire wrapped up in traditional double-entendre. Wink

As for May mornings, this is a little more suspect:

"As I was a-walking one morning in May
I spied a young couple a-making their way
And the one was a soldier, and a bold grenadier
And the other was a choir boy, and I thought 'Ooh! That's queer!'"

(That's in the style of Rambling Syd Rumpole, but he probably wouldn't have got away with that on 50s/60s radio!)

There's a lot of this pseudo-trad-folk around - you probably need to be a member of the EFDSS to sort it all out!
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PostPosted: 01-07-2013 21:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd quite like to know just how old the song is that goes (more, or less):

The first time I met her, I met her in white.
All in white all in white, she gave me such a fright.
Down in the meadow/valley, where nobody goes.

The next time I met her, I met her in pink.
All in pink, all in pink, she made my fingers think,
Down in the meadow/valley, where nobody goes.

etc.


First heard it in rural Bedfordshire back in the Seventies.

Doesn't turn up very much in a Google search, either.
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PostPosted: 01-07-2013 23:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Folk-Rock band Mumford and Sons closed out Glastonbury this year.
Steeleye Span they ain't (no female lead singer), but still easy on the ear.
This old git thinks they may last a year or two. Wink

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b036pk1f/Glastonbury_2013_Mumford_and_Sons/
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rynner2 wrote:
Boulters_Canary1 wrote:
On the other hand, this is filthy: -

On the 14th of May, at the dawn of the day
With me gun on me shoulder to the woods I did stray
In search of some game, if the weather prove fair
To see can I get a shot at the bonny black hare
...

No, that's not filthy, it's just good healthy desire wrapped up in traditional double-entendre. Wink

As for May mornings, this is a little more suspect:

"As I was a-walking one morning in May
I spied a young couple a-making their way
And the one was a soldier, and a bold grenadier
And the other was a choir boy, and I thought 'Ooh! That's queer!'"

(That's in the style of Rambling Syd Rumpole, but he probably wouldn't have got away with that on 50s/60s radio!)

There's a lot of this pseudo-trad-folk around - you probably need to be a member of the EFDSS to sort it all out!


I think the verse you quoted is by Syd Kipper - it certainly looks like his style.
He is also responsible for this subversion of the tradition:

I met a man all on the beach one day,
He had skin like silk as on the sand we lay.
But before we got to sinnin'
The tide come running in.
And he turned into a seal and swam away.

(from 'The Unlaid Maid')

Try to get hold of a recording of 'Big Musgrave' his send-up of Fairport's 'Matty Groves', It is pants-wettingly hilarious.
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PostPosted: 02-07-2013 06:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

Love Syd Kipper and the Rumpo stuff Smile. As for the filthy, I always think of Spitting Image's bowdlerised rugby songs. (VSFW)

Four and twenty virgins came down from Inverness
And when the ball was over they went back to Inverness.
As virgins.
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Theres a song: four and twenty trotskyists came down from Glasgow town. To London for a conference. They split on many issues. Eventually 2 were left and passed a motion to have another round but split on who should pay.

Must track down the lyrics.
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PostPosted: 02-07-2013 20:30    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pietro_Mercurios wrote:
I'd quite like to know just how old the song is that goes (more, or less):

The first time I met her, I met her in white.
All in white all in white, she gave me such a fright.
Down in the meadow/valley, where nobody goes.

The next time I met her, I met her in pink.
All in pink, all in pink, she made my fingers think,
Down in the meadow/valley, where nobody goes.

etc.


First heard it in rural Bedfordshire back in the Seventies.

Doesn't turn up very much in a Google search, either.


That's an incredibly tame version of the one I learned as an early teen Confused
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