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Will there be an attack by Bin Laden's motley crew?
Yes - it was inevitable anyway
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Maybe - but the timing of the US missle attack and this AQ message is a bit wierd...
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Nah - whole thing is just hot air and coincidence
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PostPosted: 20-01-2006 12:36    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think there's a need in certain circles to believe that he's still alive and kicking. Without a Bogeyman, how do you get the children to do what you want them to?
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PostPosted: 20-01-2006 12:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peripart wrote:
I think there's a need in certain circles to believe that he's still alive and kicking. Without a Bogeyman, how do you get the children to do what you want them to?


well presumably if there isn't actually a terrorist threat as represented by bin laden and the threat is manufactured or artificially heightened then it would be just as easy to do the same with al-zarqawi?


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PostPosted: 20-01-2006 13:02    Post subject: Reply with quote

nah his names not as easy to pronounce.

or is that pronounciate ?

errr

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PostPosted: 20-01-2006 13:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

It certainly makes some sense for the Western powers to hype up the threat of AQ and bin Laden et al. With my cynical capatilist hat on, we'd get:

A constant threat of terrorism will give a similar kind of atmosphere to that of the cold-war. Those lovely defence people can then more easily justify high budgets, new developments etc. if there is a perceived threat.

If there was no threat, and the whole world co-existed peacefully then there would be no apparent need for new and entertaining ways of wiping out people and as such those defence companies would go under - no market, no money.

Just a thought
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PostPosted: 20-01-2006 13:43    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, defence spending is not a prime-mover of any current economies, thankfully. So it may be unwise to tag all of this as some ploy by certain countries to keep their economy afloat, let alone defence companies. Plus the fact that defence spending rarely spends much time on unconventional (i.e. insurgent, etc.) warfare - anyone would be hard-pushed to justify developing some new big bucks conventional weapons system in order to combat OBL. Defence companies would make far more money from something like the F-22, which isn't really of any use in combatting terrorism Wink
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PostPosted: 20-01-2006 18:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi People

If a country is at 'war' - de facto, and then the 'leader' of the 'other side' says there can be a truce if...x y z.

Does International Convention governing wars require that both sides (if one has said there can be a truce) have to at least start some sort of peace negotiations? Or would ignoring a truce offer and continuing attempts to annhialate the other side constitute some sort of war-crime/jolly-unfair-sport-old-chap type thing?

Answers ona post-card please!

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PostPosted: 20-01-2006 19:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both sides in any conflict have to agree to a truce, ceasefire, etc.. Otherwise there is no cessation in fighting, as far as one side is concerned.
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PostPosted: 20-01-2006 20:24    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anybody know an audio expert?? There is machines where you compare the tapes. The peaks and the valley.
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PostPosted: 20-01-2006 20:32    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rejecting a suggestion by Osama bin Laden of a negotiated truce in the war on terror, Vice President Dick Cheney said there was only one way to deal with terrorists. "I think you have to destroy them," Cheney said.
"We don't negotiate with terrorists." Vice President Dick Cheney said
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PostPosted: 20-01-2006 20:43    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Their real message is meant for consumption by their followers and potential recruits," said Brian Jenkins, a terrorism expert at the Rand Corp. "It says, Number 1, Osama bin Laden is still in charge. By his communications, by him saying he has been busy preparing operations ... his offer of a truce. All of these are an assertion of leadership."

Beyond that, Jenkins added, "It says he is in operational control," something that has been debated among analysts. "What bin Laden is saying here is not only is he the leader, but that he also runs operations."

Scheuer said the truce offer "is perfectly consonant with Islamic history."

"Muslim leaders from the Prophet to Saladin were ready to make a temporary truce with the infidels if they thought it would benefit Muslims," he said. In the tape, the speaker refers to a truce to allow a rebuilding in Iraq and Afghanistan. "What they would love, of course, is if we would just back out of Afghanistan and Iraq," Scheuer said, in part to allow the re-establishment of the Islamic caliphate to begin there.

"For the caliphate to be built, they have to have a political state from which to start," he said. "That's why al-Qaida valued the Taliban so much. Now, they view Iraq in the way they viewed Afghanistan."

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0120osama20.html
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PostPosted: 21-01-2006 21:15    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Al Jazzera site has an article questioning the authenticity of the latest Bin Laden tape here with a lot of readers comments at the bottom - some of which make interesting reading.

Here's a quote from one of the reader's comments;

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bin laden worked for the cia once, and you know what they say, "once a company man, always a company man".
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PostPosted: 24-01-2006 21:00    Post subject: 377. Bin Laden acts on behalf of Bush (1/22/06) Reply with quote

377. Bin Laden acts on behalf of Bush (1/22/06)

Bin Laden's new tape is obviously a disinformation made from Bush's "Psychological manipulating office". On the purpose to smear anti war movement.

Read the following words from bin Landen. It's almost what Bush administration and its spokesman McClellan wanted to discredit their critics: "Un patriot, help enemy..."

Re: "The voice on the tape said he was directing his message to the American people after polls showed that "an overwhelming majority of you want the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq but (Bush) opposed that desire."

He said insurgents were winning the conflict in Iraq and warned that security measures in the West and the United States could not prevent attacks there."

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20060119102809990008&;ncid=NWS00010000000001

This is exactly what Bush group needed.

Consider Bin Laden always responded to Bush's needs: when Bush wanted to start war in Mid-east, there was 911. Be aware 911 was activated eight months after Bush was selected to be the president. And this time, when Bush is revealed to spy on its citizens without court approval, and may face an impeach, Bin Laden comes out again to help. "I, the terrorist is here. Bush is right to start war against me. If you oppose this war and Patriot Act, you are helping me and Al Qaida."

See how he reacts just on time as if he has got an order from Bush.

Be careful there will be another terror attack, manipulated by US intelligence in the name of Al Qaida. Just like 911, Bali bombing..... This time is to save their puppet Bush and Patriot Act (which will expire in two weeks.)

I think this is a part of another big operation just like 9/24/05 plot. (The plot noticeable for manipulating the climate weapon, hurricane.)
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PostPosted: 26-01-2006 09:16    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something the liberal media (eg Air America Radio, especially Al Franken) have picked up on about the latest tape is that the conservative media (eg FOX, Limbaugh, etc) have been trying to suggest that Bin Laden has gotten all his material from Democratic talking points, and Michael Moore movies.
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PostPosted: 26-01-2006 12:39    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anome_ wrote:
Something the liberal media (eg Air America Radio, especially Al Franken) have picked up on about the latest tape is that the conservative media (eg FOX, Limbaugh, etc) have been trying to suggest that Bin Laden has gotten all his material from Democratic talking points, and Michael Moore movies.



Haw haw haw - and get this, Bush is said to have been reading a Pet Goat story book at the time he was told about the 9/11 event.

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The children were about to take turns reading from a story called The Pet Goat. [AFP, 9/7/02] Bush picked up the book and began to read with the children. [Tampa Tribune, 9/1/02] In unison, the children read out loud, “The—Pet—Goat. A—girl—got—a—pet—goat. But—the—goat—did—some—things—that—made—the—girl's—dad—mad.” Bush mostly listened, but occasionally asked the children a few questions to encourage them. [Washington Times, 10/7/02] At one point he said, “Really good readers, whew! ... These must be sixth-graders!” [Time, 9/12/01]

Who was really in control? Certainly not Bush. In the back of the room, Press Secretary Ari Fleischer caught Bush's eye and held up a pad of paper for him to see, with “DON'T SAY ANYTHING YET” written on it in big block letters. [Washington Times, 10/7/02]


Pet Goat - Goat - Christians attribute the goat with Satan (one theory I heard is that this is because initially they hated Pagans and wished to discredit their belief system by making it look evil).

So for all you really hard core conspiracy theorists out there - consider Bush reading a Pet Goat story book - a connection with Satan !!

Har har har har!

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PostPosted: 26-01-2006 12:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

coldelephant wrote:

Pet Goat - Goat - Christians attribute the goat with Satan (one theory I heard is that this is because initially they hated Pagans and wished to discredit their belief system by making it look evil).

So for all you really hard core conspiracy theorists out there - consider Bush reading a Pet Goat story book - a connection with Satan !!

Har har har har!

Twisted Evil


Wasn't it to do with the God pan and vilifying that?
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