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Will there be an attack by Bin Laden's motley crew?
Yes - it was inevitable anyway
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Maybe - but the timing of the US missle attack and this AQ message is a bit wierd...
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Nah - whole thing is just hot air and coincidence
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coldelephant
PostPosted: 26-01-2006 12:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heckler20 wrote;

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Wasn't it to do with the God pan and vilifying that?



What's a God pan? How did He use the pan to vilify the Infernal Goat?
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PostPosted: 26-01-2006 13:46    Post subject: Reply with quote

coldelephant wrote:
Heckler20 wrote;

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Wasn't it to do with the God pan and vilifying that?



What's a God pan? How did He use the pan to vilify the Infernal Goat?


Ohhh you pedant, capitalisation error, I of course meant the god Pan.
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PostPosted: 26-01-2006 15:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Latest Bin Laden Tape an Obvious Fake

Wayne Madsen – Wayne Madsen Report January 21, 2006

What's not right about the Osama Bin Laden audio tape. One thing that the Bush administration does well is manage perceptions of the public. Amid protests over the NSA wiretapping, the extension of the Patriot Act, and the nomination of neo-Fascist Samuel Alito to the Supreme Court, an audio tape on Osama Bin Laden is sent to Al Jazzera. On the tape, Bin Laden suddenly veers from being a traditional right-wing Wahhabi fanatic to the right of the House of Saud to a leftist progressive. The tape by Bin Laden was quickly verified as "authentic" by a CIA that is now firmly in the grasp of neo-cons under Porter Goss.

However, the tape is an obvious fake being used by the Bush administration to scare Americans into believing "Al Qaeda" is making plans for another attack and an attempt to link Bin Laden to Democrats.

The reason the tape is as phony as Niger yellowcake documents and Saddam's weapons of mass destruction is as plain as day. "Bin Laden" allegedly quotes from the introduction of a book written by long-time Washington, DC progressive author and journalist and a friend of mine, Bill Blum. Bill was once an editor and contributor to Covert Action Quarterly, a magazine devoted to exposing CIA operations like the arming, funding, and training of Bin Laden and his mujaheddin guerrillas during the Afghan-Soviet war.

The Bush perception managers are either incredibly stupid or are trying to ensnare liberal journalists as aiders and abettors of Al Qaeda, something that is certainly within their scope. Bin Laden allegedly quotes the following passage from Blum's book, Rogue State: "If you (Americans) are sincere in your desire for peace and security, we have answered you. And if Bush decides to carry on with his lies and oppression, then it would be useful for you to read the book Rogue State, which states in its introduction: 'If I were president, I would stop the attacks on the United States: First I would give an apology to all the widows and orphans and those who were tortured. Then I would announce that American interference in the nations of the world has ended once and for all.'" However, this quote is not from Rogue State, again, pointing to a very bad forgery of the Bin Laden audiotape. No sooner had the alleged Bin Laden tape been released, neo-con activist Cliff Kincaid was already spinning nonsense about Blum and his publisher, Common Courage Press of Monroe, Maine, being part of some sort of pro-Bin Laden progressive and liberal "Fifth Columnist" grouping in the United States.

Bin Laden might not be so eager to quote Blum if he was aware of his other work, Killing Hope, an expose of the CIA's covert wars. In it, Blum defends to Soviet occupation of Afghanistan as self-defense against the CIA-backed Islamist guerrillas, including Bin Laden's forces, that were backed by the CIA. Now, why would Bin Laden plug an author like Blum who backed Bin Laden's hated enemies, the Soviet Communists and their Afghan allies? Because the Bin Laden tape and his purported oratory are frauds. In Killing Hope, this is what Blum wrote about Bin Laden and his CIA masters' war in Afghanistan:

"The new government under President Taraki declared a commitment to Islam within a secular state, and to non-alignment in foreign affairs. It said the coup was not foreign inspired and that they were not Communists but rather nationalists and revolutionaries. They pushed radical reforms, they talked about class struggle, they used anti-imperialist rhetoric, they supported Cuba, they signed a friendship treaty and other cooperative agreements with the Soviets and they increased the number of Soviet civilian and military advisers in Afghanistan.... In May 1979, British political scientist Fred Halliday said 'probably more has changed in the countryside over the last year than in the two centuries since the state was established.'

In March 1979, Afghan President Taraki visited Moscow to request Soviet help to fight the mujahideen. The Soviets did promise some military aid, but they would not commit ground troops. As Soviet Premier Alexei Kosygin told Taraki: 'The entry of our troops into Afghanistan would outrage the international community, triggering a string of extremely negative consequences. Our common enemies are just waiting for the moment when Soviet troops appear in Afghanistan. This will give them the excuse they need to send armed bands into the country.'

. . . prior to the Soviet invasion, the CIA had been beaming radio propaganda into Afghanistan and cultivating alliances with exiled Afghan guerrilla leaders by donating medicine and communications equipment. U.S. foreign service officers had been meeting with Mujahideen leaders to determine their needs at least as early as April 1979. And, in July, President Carter had signed a 'finding' to aid the rebels covertly, which led to the U.S. providing them with cash, weapons, equipment and supplies, and engaging in propaganda and other psychological operations in Afghanistan on their behalf."

So, we're now supposed to believe that Bin Laden has come around to plug the book written by an author who demonstrated that the Soviet cause in Afghanistan was for self-defense and in furtherance of the well-being of the Afghan people and that Bin Laden's and his mujaheddin compatriots' cause was anti-progressive and destabilizing to the central Asian region? This would be laughable if it were not for the fact that the neo-cons are once again using the Big Lie to further their ambitions of global domination and worldwide fascism. The 911 attacks are beginning to look more and more like the Reichstag Fire, both engineered to bring about fascist control.


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Of course a more prosaic explanation is that Bin Laden only read one of Blum's books (Rogue State was his best seller and the only one I ever read).

Drawing the conclusion that 9/11 was faked because Bin Laden doesn't have a complete bibliography of Blum's books is laughable. I'm tempted to conclude it's actually just a cynical ploy to flog a few more books to be honest.
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PostPosted: 26-01-2006 16:09    Post subject: Reply with quote

also - to the mind of men like bin laden any plurality of voice is taken to be a sign of weakness. he probably thinks these words represent some kind of victory.
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PostPosted: 26-01-2006 20:26    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heckler20 wrote:
coldelephant wrote:
Heckler20 wrote;

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Wasn't it to do with the God pan and vilifying that?



What's a God pan? How did He use the pan to vilify the Infernal Goat?


Ohhh you pedant, capitalisation error, I of course meant the god Pan.



Would have been funny though, God giving the Infernal Goat a bit of "Ooops upside the head";


"Ho there goat, whilst I do smite thee with my holy pan..."


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PostPosted: 26-01-2006 21:30    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Does anybody know an audio expert?? There is machines where you compare the tapes. The peaks and the valley.


So has this actually been done, instead of just speculating whether it's real or not.
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PostPosted: 26-01-2006 21:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

coldelephant wrote:
Anome_ wrote:
Something the liberal media (eg Air America Radio, especially Al Franken) have picked up on about the latest tape is that the conservative media (eg FOX, Limbaugh, etc) have been trying to suggest that Bin Laden has gotten all his material from Democratic talking points, and Michael Moore movies.



Haw haw haw - and get this, Bush is said to have been reading a Pet Goat story book at the time he was told about the 9/11 event.

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The children were about to take turns reading from a story called The Pet Goat. [AFP, 9/7/02] Bush picked up the book and began to read with the children. [Tampa Tribune, 9/1/02] In unison, the children read out loud, “The—Pet—Goat. A—girl—got—a—pet—goat. But—the—goat—did—some—things—that—made—the—girl's—dad—mad.” Bush mostly listened, but occasionally asked the children a few questions to encourage them. [Washington Times, 10/7/02] At one point he said, “Really good readers, whew! ... These must be sixth-graders!” [Time, 9/12/01]

Who was really in control? Certainly not Bush. In the back of the room, Press Secretary Ari Fleischer caught Bush's eye and held up a pad of paper for him to see, with “DON'T SAY ANYTHING YET” written on it in big block letters. [Washington Times, 10/7/02]


Pet Goat - Goat - Christians attribute the goat with Satan (one theory I heard is that this is because initially they hated Pagans and wished to discredit their belief system by making it look evil).

So for all you really hard core conspiracy theorists out there - consider Bush reading a Pet Goat story book - a connection with Satan !!

Har har har har!

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So you mean that the public school system is Satanic?? That was their book afterall.
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PostPosted: 26-01-2006 22:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

coldelephant wrote:

"Ho there goat, whilst I do smite thee with my holy pan..."


Wink


Clang! Laughing
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PostPosted: 27-01-2006 07:43    Post subject: Reply with quote

TonyBlair11 wrote;

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So you mean that the public school system is Satanic?? That was their book afterall.



Ah - but how do you know it was their book?

Copies of the book could have been planted there as part of a satanic conspiracy to immune the children to what they may see as predjudice against the Infernal Goat.

Shocked


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PostPosted: 31-01-2006 07:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's another video just released apparently;


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New York: Osama bin Laden's right-hand man, Ayman al-Zawahiri, appeared in a new video on Monday, saying he is alive and well just weeks after a US missile strike targeted him in Pakistan.


The video mentioned a call for a truce issued by al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden. In the video Osama said: "I will meet death as set by God the almighty but if my time did not come you Bush or all the powers on earth cannot bring it one second closer."


He also called on US President George W Bush to convert to Islam in his speech. He said Bush is a "loser" and the "butcher of Washington."


US officials said they will only comment after checking the authenticity of the tape.



Al-Zawahiri taunted the US President, saying, "Bush, do you know where I am? I am among the Muslim masses, enjoying their care with God's blessings and sharing with them their holy war against you until we defeat you."


Al-Zawahiri specifically referred to an attack that was aimed at killing him January 13 in the remote Pakistan village of Damadola.


"Their claim was to target this poor man and four of my brothers," al-Zawahiri said. "The whole world discovered the lies as the Americans fight Islam and the Muslims."



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PostPosted: 31-01-2006 07:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

Transcript of AQ No2's video speech here;


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"The American airplanes, in collaboration with their agent of the Jews and the Crusaders, Musharraf, launched an airstrike on Damadola near Peshawar around the Eid al-Adha holiday, during which 18 Muslims -- men, women and children -- died in their fight against Islam, which they call terrorism. Their claim was to target this poor man and four of my brothers. The whole world discovered the lies as the Americans fight Islam and the Muslims. Before I discuss this incident, I have some messages to send out.

"My first message is to the butcher of Washington, Bush: You are not just defeated and lying about it, but you are, with God's help, a loser. You are bad luck to your people. You brought them disasters and catastrophes, and you will bring them even more disasters.

"Bush, you failed crusader, know that we are the nation of monotheism, which believes that no one is greater than God. He sent us a prophet and a book that was never edited like the other books before it. A unique book that defies anyone to come up with anything like it.

"I will meet my death when God wishes. But if my time hasn't come, you and all the Earth's forces can't change it, not even by a second.

"Bush, do you know where I am? I am among the Muslim masses enjoying their care with God's blessings and sharing with them their holy war against you until we defeat you, God willing.

"My second message is to the American people who are drowning in illusions. I tell you that Bush and his gangs are shedding your blood and wasting your money in frustrated adventures. The lion of Islam, Sheikh Osama bin Laden, offered you a decent exit from your dilemma, but your leaders, who are keen to accumulate wealth, insist on throwing you in battles and killing your souls in Iraq and Afghanistan and, God willing, on your own land.

"Your leaders responded that they do not negotiate with terrorists and that they are winning in their war on terrorism. I tell them, O' liars and greedy war merchants, who is pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan, you or us? Whose soldiers are committing suicide out of desperation, you or us?

"To the American mother I say, if the defense ministry called you to tell you your son is coming back home in a coffin, remember Bush.

"To the British wife I say, if you got a call telling you your husband is coming back home with his body paralyzed, amputated or charred, remember Blair."
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PostPosted: 08-09-2007 15:24    Post subject: Reply with quote

Full story:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6985086.stm

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Trimmed Bin Laden in media-savvy war
By Frank Gardner
BBC security correspondent


After an unexplained absence of nearly three years, the al-Qaeda leader, Osama Bin Laden, has appeared once more on a 30-minute video posted on an Islamist website.

The last time he was seen in a video was in October 2004, in an address to the American electorate just before the US presidential elections.

Since then he has delivered an audio message in January 2006, again posted on Islamist websites.

Now this latest video message, released just before the sixth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, will dispel the growing rumours that he has been dead for some time and remind both his followers and his enemies that the man with a $50m bounty on his head is still at large.

At first glance the 50-year old Osama Bin Laden, known to his fellow jihadists as Abu Abdullah, looks younger than he did in 2004.

Gone is the straggly, unkempt beard that was heavily flecked with grey.

Instead, his beard appears dark, thick and trimmed, although analysts have suggested that rather than being dyed, it may be actually false, and that to help avoid detection he is clean-shaven these days.

The al-Qaeda leader's face still looks tired and lined, as befits a fugitive who may well have to sleep in different locations almost every night, but it is not quite as gaunt or exhausted looking as it was three years ago.

His clean white turban or, 'imma, is the same and Bin Laden wears a traditional white Saudi thaub - a long-sleeved shirt that extends all the way down below the knees.

Over this he is seen wearing a cream-coloured bisht - a cloak worn by respected sheikhs, tribal elders and religious leaders in the Arab world.


You might have thought he'd come up with new material after all this time away. Or was this filmed a few years ago before he died?
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PostPosted: 09-09-2007 16:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

US loner helps bin Laden to taunt Bush
Tim Shipman in Washington, Sunday Telegraph
Last Updated: 12:44pm BST 09/09/2007

A Californian heavy metal fan, who converted to Islam and became the first American to be charged with treason in half a century, has been fingered as the author of Osama bin Laden's latest video lecture - which left the terror chief sounding like an anti-globalisation protester.

The al-Qaeda leader's first video message for three years featured a bizarre rant against America, with references to global warming, "insane taxes", the US mortgage market meltdown and rising interest rates.

American spy chiefs were quick to name Adam Gadahn, the head of al-Qaeda's English language media operations, as the author of large sections of bin Laden's broadcast.

Last October, the 28-year-old "loner" became the first American charged with treason since 1952, for appearing in a succession of al-Qaeda videos under the guise of "Azzam The American", in which he condemned globalisation and made American cultural references.

He was charged in his absence, as he is thought to be near to bin Laden, almost certainly in the tribal areas of Pakistan.

Gadahn, who as teenager reviewed albums for a metal music magazine, moved to Pakistan in 1998 and became an associate of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the architect of the 9/11 attacks. In 2004, the FBI named him as one of seven al-Qaeda operatives planning attacks in the US.

The bin Laden video, timed to coincide with the sixth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, shows the terror chief, his beard dyed black, condemning the "unjust" Iraq war and calling on Americans to "embrace Islam".

What surprised analysts was his use of the language of Left-wing protesters, which showed detailed knowledge of the economic travails of middle America.

Bin Laden referred to "the reeling of many of you under the burden of interest-related debts, insane taxes and real estate mortgage" and blamed "global warming and its woes" on "emissions of the factories the major corporations".

A former senior US intelligence official said: "It has Adam Gadahn written all over it." Mike Baker, a former CIA covert operations officer, said the tape left bin Laden with "the title of biggest gas bag in the terrorist world".

CIA officials said voice analysis of the tape proved it was definitely bin Laden.

References to the election of Nicolas Sarkozy as French president, Gordon Brown's appointment as prime minister and the anniversary of the Hiroshima bombing on August 6 led them to conclude it was filmed as recently as four weeks ago.

President Bush used the release of the tape to reinforce his view that Iraq is the central front in the war on terror. Rolling Eyes

He said: "I found it interesting that on the tape Iraq was mentioned, which is a reminder that Iraq is a part of this war against extremists.

If al-Qaeda bothers to mention Iraq, it is because they want to achieve their objectives in Iraq, which is to drive us out and to develop a safe haven."

The tape contained no direct threats, but Michael Hayden, the CIA director, gave a speech on Friday, after he was briefed on its contents, in which he said: "Al-Qaeda is focusing on targets that would produce mass casualties, dramatic destruction, and significant economic aftershocks."

American officials said the US government had obtained a copy of the video even though it had not been posted on Islamist websites - sparking speculation that US intelligence has developed an informant or cracked al-Qaeda's cyber security.

Mohamed el-Sayed, of the Ahram Centre for Political and Strategic Studies in Cairo, said bin Laden's words are proof the West cannot appease al-Qaeda by withdrawing from Iraq. "The message is much more threatening this time," he said. "It uses iconic language that suggests: 'The only way to get peace is to convert to Islam.' He's in a state of constant, unending war until he Islamises the world."

But other analysts said that the lack of specific threats is evidence that bin Laden cannot direct specific operations from his base in the tribal areas of Pakistan.

Peter Bergen, a US journalist who has interviewed bin Laden, said producing the video was a risk, as were previous audio tapes. "Every time he releases tapes he lays himself open to detection," he said.

"They are taken out by couriers from the tribal areas in Pakistan. If you can trace the train of custody of these tapes you can find bin Laden. He's keenly aware of that."

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PostPosted: 11-09-2007 06:21    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's no need to fake a Bin Ladin tape unless he's dead.Bin Ladin was/is & perhaps all ways shall be CIA.There will another attack though!These wars based on 911 are resource wars.The PNAC has pegged Iran for regime change & since it's really all about securing Iran's oil (their nuclear program=Iraq's WMD) mere air attacks wont suffice.They need 'boots on the ground' & the only was to get them is with conscription.....they need the draft!The only way to get the draft is with another attack (blamed on Iran) on American soil!
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PostPosted: 13-09-2007 11:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isnt it a crime against islam to dye your beard ?
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