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BlackRiverFalls I wear a fez now.
Joined: 03 Aug 2003 Total posts: 8716 Location: The Attic of Blinky Lights Age: 44 Gender: Female |
 Posted: 14-08-2010 17:17 Post subject: |
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| I doubt most of them would be good for either, after the amount of booze/smack/crack/speed/shit/ket/meth and E's that's gone into them. |
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| drjbrennan Collector Joined: 14 Aug 2001 Total posts: 316 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 14-08-2010 17:44 Post subject: |
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| I do agree, it could be offered as an option to the clean ones. Voluntary, each pint of blood you donate gets X amount of time knocked off your sentence. |
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| sciotofloods Yeti Joined: 17 May 2009 Total posts: 46 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 20-08-2010 23:15 Post subject: |
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I think it's important to note that all of the linked or quoted stories come from Falun Gong publications or fronts.
Not that I'd put it past the Chinese Gov't, but you have to consider the source. |
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| BlackRiverFalls I wear a fez now.
Joined: 03 Aug 2003 Total posts: 8716 Location: The Attic of Blinky Lights Age: 44 Gender: Female |
| Posted: 21-08-2010 01:08 Post subject: |
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But is it actually plausible? I'd thought you needed a really good match for organ donation, though i guess if you tested enough people and kept a database of them it could well up your odds substancially.
And who is recieving the organs? |
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| Pietro_Mercurios Heuristically Challenged
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| Posted: 21-08-2010 01:23 Post subject: |
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| BlackRiverFalls wrote: | But is it actually plausible? I'd thought you needed a really good match for organ donation, though i guess if you tested enough people and kept a database of them it could well up your odds substancially.
And who is recieving the organs? |
You would just need a plenteous supply of donors, usefully cross indexed against possible demand. Preferably fresh and on the hoof. |
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| ramonmercado Psycho Punk
Joined: 19 Aug 2003 Total posts: 17938 Location: Dublin Gender: Male |
| Posted: 21-08-2010 14:06 Post subject: |
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| sciotofloods wrote: | I think it's important to note that all of the linked or quoted stories come from Falun Gong publications or fronts.
Not that I'd put it past the Chinese Gov't, but you have to consider the source. |
Some of the stories are from the BBC quoting local chinese govt sources claiming that such transplants are NOW banned. |
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| ramonmercado Psycho Punk
Joined: 19 Aug 2003 Total posts: 17938 Location: Dublin Gender: Male |
| Posted: 07-03-2012 20:22 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Death-row inmates main source of organs in China: report
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2012-03-death-row-inmates-main-source-china.html
March 7th, 2012 in Other
Executed prisoners were still the main source of organs used in transplant operations in China due to the lack of voluntary donations, a top health official was quoted saying Wednesday.
China has long vowed to reduce its reliance on death-row inmates for organs, but high demand and a chronic shortage of donations meant they remained a key source, the Legal Daily quoted Vice Health Minister Huang Jiefu as saying.
Huang reportedly made the remarks on the sidelines of the country's annual parliamentary session in Beijing where about 3,000 delegates from across the country have gathered for 10 days of meetings.
China banned the trade in human organs in 2007 and two years later began rolling out a nationwide donation system, but demand for organ transplants still far exceeds supply in the country of 1.3 billion people.
About 10,000 transplants are carried out annually, but an estimated 1.3 million people are waiting for transplants, state media said previously, opening the door to the illegal sale of organs and forced donations.
The Chinese Medical Association, an official body representing doctors, said in 2007 that China would no longer transplant organs from executed prisoners except for their immediate relatives, earlier reports said.
In 2009 Huang said the rights of death-row inmates were respected and written consent from prisoners was required before their organs could be harvested, the China Daily said at the time.
But Huang admitted that executed prisoners were "definitely not a proper source for organ transplants".
International human rights groups have long accused China of harvesting organs from executed prisoners for transplant without the consent of the prisoner or their family -- charges the government has denied.
Amnesty International China researcher Sarah Schafer said Huang's latest comments suggested "nothing much has changed".
"We feel that this lack of progress is quite chilling," Schafer told AFP. "There's no way a prisoner facing execution can give meaningful consent." |
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| ramonmercado Psycho Punk
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| Posted: 23-03-2012 11:10 Post subject: |
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Yeah right, heard this before.
| Quote: | China to end organ donations from executed prisoners
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-17485103
Most of the transplant organs in China come from prisoners on death row
China has pledged to end the practice of taking organs from executed prisoners within the next five years, state media report.
Officials say the country would instead rely on a new national donation system for organ transplants.
Prisoners account for two thirds of China's transplant organs, according to previous estimates from state media.
Human rights groups say death row inmates are pressured to donate organs - China denies such allegations.
Huang Jiefu, vice minister of health, was quoted by state-run agency Xinhua as saying that a trial system for public organ donation has been launched in some areas.
"The pledge to abolish organ donations from condemned prisoners represents the resolve of the government," he said.
He added that organ donations from prisoners were not ideal because infections are usually high, affecting the long-term survival rates of those who undergo the transplants.
Official figures from the health ministry show that about 1.5 million people need transplants, but only 10,000 are performed annually, Xinhua says.
Rights groups estimate that China puts to death thousands of prisoners a year.
Official figures, however, remain a state secret, according to the BBC's Martin Patience in Beijing.
He adds that the country faces a severe shortage of organ donors, partly because many people do not want to donate organs due to the cultural belief of that they should be buried whole.
This has led to a thriving black market. Officials outlawed organ trafficking five years ago, but it still remains a problem.
The Red Cross Society of China has also said that guidelines would be issued regarding financial aid to families of the deceased organ donors to help curb the illegal organ trade. |
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| ramonmercado Psycho Punk
Joined: 19 Aug 2003 Total posts: 17938 Location: Dublin Gender: Male |
| Posted: 15-07-2013 11:24 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | China ‘murdering Falun Gong members for organ harvesting’
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/china-murdering-falun-gong-members-for-organ-harvesting-1.1459522
Oireachtas joint committee hears that some 65,000 Falun Gong practitioners have been murdered to facilitate organ transplant
Members of the outlawed Falun Gong organisation play instruments during a rally in Hong Kong. Ireland has been urged tolobby the European Union to confront the Chinese authorities more trenchantly over the forced removal of organs Photograph: Daniel J Groshong/Bloomberg
Peter Murtagh
Thu, Jul 11, 2013, 06:46
An estimated 8,000 prisoners of conscience in China have their organs removed forcibly every year to supply a burgeoning transplant market operated by the Chinese military, an Oireachtas joint committee heard yesterday.
Not all of them die but since 2001, some 65,000 Falun Gong practitioners have been murdered to facilitate organ transplant, it was claimed.
The assertions came from David Matas, a Canada-based international human rights lawyer, and Ethan Gutmann, a London-based American journalist who has specialised in investigating unethical organ harvesting in China.
Giving evidence yesterday to the Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, they urged Ireland to lobby the European Union to confront the Chinese authorities more trenchantly over the forced removal of organs, both from prisoners sentenced to death and prisoners of conscience, such as Falun Gong, and to enact legislation here to ban organ transplant tourism, as Israel has done.
“It hasn’t stopped the killing [in China],” said Mr Matas, “but it has stopped complicity and it sends a message.”
Mr Gutmann, who has been examining unethical organ harvesting in China for seven years, said there was “no legal way” for practitioners of Falun Gong to be executed. “But it’s a bit like the Inquisition,” he said, “they just disappear.”
Falun Gong is a spiritual discipline based on meditation and is opposed vigorously by the Communist authorities in China.
Mr Gutmann said evidence existed that in some instances, firing squads sought only to wound their victims so organs could be extracted from living tissue. In such cases, the removal of organs was the cause of death rather than execution.
Senator David Norris, who sponsored a motion urging the Government to use international forums to oppose forced organ harvesting in China, said what was happening was “a massive crime against humanity and mass murder”.
He decried a Department of Foreign Affairs briefing paper on the subject which he said saw the issue in terms of trade and referred to “the autonomous region of Tibet”.
His motion was passed unanimously and without a vote. |
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| gncxx King-Size Canary
Great Old One Joined: 25 Aug 2001 Total posts: 13561 Location: Eh? Gender: Male |
| Posted: 15-07-2013 22:27 Post subject: |
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| Sixty-five thousand people?! That's about two cities' worth! Are they sure about their figures? What a nightmare if they are. |
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| Monstrosa Joined: 07 Feb 2007 Total posts: 506 |
| Posted: 16-07-2013 07:47 Post subject: |
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| gncxx wrote: | | Sixty-five thousand people?! That's about two cities' worth! Are they sure about their figures? What a nightmare if they are. |
That's about 6000 people a year. |
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| ramonmercado Psycho Punk
Joined: 19 Aug 2003 Total posts: 17938 Location: Dublin Gender: Male |
| Posted: 16-07-2013 13:35 Post subject: |
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| gncxx wrote: | | Sixty-five thousand people?! That's about two cities' worth! Are they sure about their figures? What a nightmare if they are. |
Falun Gong are a Cult but one with millions of members. The figures are plausible in that context especially given the Chinese Governments admission that such organ harvesting took place in the pase. |
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| ramonmercado Psycho Punk
Joined: 19 Aug 2003 Total posts: 17938 Location: Dublin Gender: Male |
| Posted: 18-08-2013 01:57 Post subject: |
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Heard that one before.
| Quote: | China announces end date for taking prisoners' organs
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-23722796
Most transplant organs came from prisoners, based on previous estimates
A senior Chinese official has said the country will phase out the practice of taking organs from executed prisoners from November.
Huang Jiefu said China would now rely on using organs from voluntary donors under a new national donation system.
Prisoners used to account for two-thirds of transplant organs, based on previous estimates from state media.
For years, China denied that it used organs from executed prisoners, but admitted it a few years ago.
Official figures from China's newly formed health and planning commission show that, on an annual basis, there are on average 300,000 patients who need organ transplants, but only 10,000 of them are able to get them, state media said.
Mr Huang, who is in charge of organ transplants and one of the country's leading surgeons, said the health ministry would start using organs from voluntary citizen donors in November.
More than 150 Chinese hospitals are expected to to confirm their participation, he added.
"I am confident that before long, all accredited hospitals will forfeit the use of prisoner organs," he told Reuters news agency on Thursday.
He also told the state-run Global Times that it was time for China to establish a "suitable organ donation system".
Human rights groups estimate that China executes thousands of prisoners a year, but correspondents say that the official figures remain a state secret.
In March last year, Mr Huang announced China's pledge to end the practice of taking organs from executed prisoners within the next five years.
At the time, he said that organ donations from prisoners were not ideal because infections are usually high, affecting the long-term survival rates of those who undergo the transplants.
Analysis
Michael Bristow
BBC News
In just a few years, China has moved from denying to admitting and now phasing out the macabre practise of harvesting organs from executed prisoners.
In the first few years of the century, officials were still refusing to confirm reports that they used organs taken from convicted criminals for transplant operations.
But in 2006, an undercover BBC team revealed that prisoners' organs were being sold to wealthy foreign patients. China then began admitting it was, after all, using the organs. It still is. According to figures supplied to Reuters news agency, more than half of transplants carried out this year used organs from executed prisoners.
The argument put forward by the authorities has been that these convicts were giving something back to society, although it is not clear how many prisoners gave their consent freely. China now seems to have bowed to global pressure to stop a practise many saw as unacceptable. |
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