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PostPosted: 19-04-2011 12:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

Secret memos expose link between oil firms and invasion of Iraq
By Paul Bignell
Tuesday, 19 April 2011

Plans to exploit Iraq's oil reserves were discussed by government ministers and the world's largest oil companies the year before Britain took a leading role in invading Iraq, government documents show.

The papers, revealed here for the first time, raise new questions over Britain's involvement in the war, which had divided Tony Blair's cabinet and was voted through only after his claims that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.

The minutes of a series of meetings between ministers and senior oil executives are at odds with the public denials of self-interest from oil companies and Western governments at the time.

The documents were not offered as evidence in the ongoing Chilcot Inquiry into the UK's involvement in the Iraq war. In March 2003, just before Britain went to war, Shell denounced reports that it had held talks with Downing Street about Iraqi oil as "highly inaccurate". BP denied that it had any "strategic interest" in Iraq, while Tony Blair described "the oil conspiracy theory" as "the most absurd".

But documents from October and November the previous year paint a very different picture.
Five months before the March 2003 invasion, Baroness Symons, then the Trade Minister, told BP that the Government believed British energy firms should be given a share of Iraq's enormous oil and gas reserves as a reward for Tony Blair's military commitment to US plans for regime change.

The papers show that Lady Symons agreed to lobby the Bush administration on BP's behalf because the oil giant feared it was being "locked out" of deals that Washington was quietly striking with US, French and Russian governments and their energy firms.

Minutes of a meeting with BP, Shell and BG (formerly British Gas) on 31 October 2002 read: "Baroness Symons agreed that it would be difficult to justify British companies losing out in Iraq in that way if the UK had itself been a conspicuous supporter of the US government throughout the crisis."
The minister then promised to "report back to the companies before Christmas" on her lobbying efforts.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/secret-memos-expose-link-between-oil-firms-and-invasion-of-iraq-2269610.html
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PostPosted: 19-04-2011 13:25    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm no cheerleader for the Iraq War, but the Independent is trying to make more of a story out of this than exists, at least judging by the actual text of the article.

There is no suggestion from this story that the UK went to war in order to secure oil supplies for BP and the rest. What does seem to have happened is that, once preparations for war were well advanced, the UK oil industry contacted the government with concerns that the Americans were shutting them out of post-conflict deals. It's not unusual for UK governments to lobby on behalf of British business. I'm also pretty sure this story has been reported before.
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PostPosted: 19-04-2011 13:36    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm also pretty sure this story has been reported before.

It may have been rumoured before, but now we have the relevent documents:
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Over 1,000 documents were obtained under Freedom of Information over five years by the oil campaigner Greg Muttitt. They reveal that at least five meetings were held between civil servants, ministers and BP and Shell in late 2002.
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PostPosted: 19-04-2011 13:41    Post subject: Reply with quote

But I'm not sure that it's that big a story in any case. I'm not surprised that British oil companies wanted access to the Iraqi oil fields post-conflict and I'm not surprised they lobbied the UK government about it if the Americans were shutting them out. It doesn't amount to a "we want to war for oil" smoking gun. The decision to go to war had already been made.

It reminds me of the Wikileaks saga... people reading conspiracies into what appears to be the usual business of government and diplomats.
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But I'm not sure that it's that big a story in any case. I'm not surprised that British oil companies wanted access to the Iraqi oil fields post-conflict ...

The meetings referred to in the documents were up to a year, pre-invasion. The oil companies and the Government of the day denied that there had been any such meetings. I certainly remember some of us being actively scorned for even suggesting that the invasion of Iraq was about oil, back then.
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The meetings referred to in the documents were up to a year, pre-invasion.


I don't know if you're reading the same article that I was. The earliest meeting it refers to was in October 2002, five months before the invasion. It was abundantly clear by that stage that military action in Iraq was inevitable absent a complete climbdown (and probably, resignation) by Saddam. The memos don't suggest that BP, Shell and the others were pressuring Blair to go to war, rather that he pressed the Americans to ensure that British companies got a share of the post-conflict pie.

Grubby realpolitik? No doubt. Smoking gun that the war was fought at the behest of the oil companies? I'm afraid not.
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PostPosted: 20-04-2011 08:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of my favourite bloggers had a bash at this story; I found myself in general agreement with his thoughts.

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I've just read the Independent's article: 'Secret memos expose link between oil firms and invasion of Iraq', which, as you'd expect has caused a little bit of screeching from the appeaser of brutal dictators on the Left with the expected "see we told you Iraq was about oil!"

There is however a rather simple response to that which is "so what?". When we look at the details of the story it seems that BP spoke to people in the UK Government before the invasion of Iraq. They noted that under the current "oil for food" deal in place at the time with Iraq, the French company TotalFinaElf stood to become the world single biggest oil supplier should the contract stay in place in a post-Saddam world and that wasn't in BP (or for that matter Shell's) business interests, and that oil contracts post-Saddam should be sliced up a bit.

Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. Is it really shocking or even wrong that a business should lobby Government about something that is of interest to their business because of a potential imbalance in the global market in which they operate? I'd say not.

Likewise, is it really shocking or wrong that post-Saddam, global oil producers would be going in and spending oodles of their own money to extract the black gold out of the ground so that we could all buy it given that we're so dependent on oil we needed it? Errrr yet another resounding no methinks.

Way back before the invasion of Iraq I can remember seeing a most salient point online by someone I knew on the "war for oil" line. It went along the lines of "why not have a war for oil when you also get rid of a brutal bastard who is controlling the stuff? It's win win surely?". He was right, it was a win win situation.

On the one hand you displaced a dictator who whether he had weapons or not wanted them and was a right git to the populace over which he controlled; and on the other you removed his control over massive oil reserves and stopped one single company dominating the oil market.

"What about the million who died?" will of course be the response to that. To which the easy answer is "that figure is a made up extrapolation" and secondly "would you have preferred to just leave the guy in place to kill people?" Of course, you won't win an argument about Iraq with anyone who was, is and remain anti the action. The argument will shift slowly along whilst they miss the odd nature of their position that means they were happy to allow Hussein to remain in place.

The thing is,what seems to be lost on so many is that politics internationally will always involve interests as well as other things. Humanitarian missions will always include those interests, and if they are no interests for a country then the humanitarian aspect is, however much it sucks, not enough alone to act. That's why there has been no invasion of Zimbabwe. If someone discovered masses of oil reserves there then you know what, it would be different. That is realism and that is how the world works now and pretty much always has.

As long as there is Government and/or nations, and as long as there are businesses and traders that work with that Government and/or nations, then it will remain the case that despots will be overthrown depending on what they've got. Wars are not fought over principle they're fought over resources, be it coal and steel between France and Germany, or simple straight forward territorial expansion and the resources that brings.

Yes, it's very easy to sit back and say "surely we can all get along and have a group hug and not do this?", but such views are little more than displays of naive ignorance towards human nature in the current geopolitical reality in which we live.

I imagine for some this will be a highly controversial and immoral view to have, but you know what, it's real life and don;t expect it to change. Hell, even if little green men came down from the stars and said "you're not alone in the Universe" we might unite globally but we'd still just expand the arena in which such realistic views exist so nations would be replaced by planets, a new and, dare I say it, final frontier (*pukes*) would open up and we'd carry on doing it again.

Ironically I'm not much different to the lefties who say "see it was all about oil, but we knew that already", the only difference is that I don't actually see what wrong with that per se. Yes, the unintended consequences after the fact may turn out to be regrettable and undesirable, but the judgment itself to act within your interests isn't inherently wrong, immoral or unethical, it's just realistic.

It is of course easy to sit on the sidelines and scream with moral righteousness thanks to 20/20 hindsight and philosophically flawed world views about production and capital. Things change though when you're the one making the decision and reality is laid out for you.

http://dizzythinks.net/2011/04/oil-interests-iraq-and-reality.html
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PostPosted: 14-05-2011 09:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something many of us were sure of at the time:

Iraq evidence 'vindicates BBC's dossier claims'
By Ian Burrell, Media Editor
Saturday, 14 May 2011

The editor of the BBC's Today programme at the time of its controversial 2003 report which claimed the Government had "sexed up" an Iraqi weapons dossier said last night that evidence provided to the Iraq Inquiry by the former intelligence official Michael Laurie proved that his team had been right all along.

Kevin Marsh described Maj-Gen Laurie's evidence as "devastating for [Alastair] Campbell", the former Downing Street communications chief, whose furious response to the Today report led to the Hutton Inquiry and ultimately to the resignations of the BBC's director general and chairman. "The thing that rankles with me a little bit is that I thought at the time when [the Today reporter] Andrew Gilligan came with the story was that it wasn't just broadly correct, it was 100 per cent correct," Mr Marsh said.

"Here's the guy at the very top of the [Defence Intelligence Staff] saying, 'we knew we were being pushed to find a certain bit of evidence and it was being presented in a certain way' and that's exactly what Andrew said in his story."

In written evidence to the Chilcot inquiry, Maj-Gen Laurie rejected Mr Campbell's claim that the dossier was not intended to make the case for war: "This was exactly its purpose and these very words were used."

Among former and current members of the BBC news department, the comments were received yesterday with mixed feelings that combined a sense of vindication with anger at the way the organisation's journalism has been treated. Mr Marsh said he was unhappy with the implications by Lord Hutton in his 2004 report that the staff on Today had shown a lack of professionalism. "This vindicates our position and shows Hutton was wrong in criticising Andrew, criticising me and criticising the Today team," he said. "Just flat wrong." Rod Liddle, a former Today editor who hired Mr Gilligan, said: "These comments tell us what we knew already – that the BBC told the truth, Gilligan told the truth and Alastair Campbell's outrage was confected and it was a lie."

Mr Marsh is writing a book on the affair, called Stumbling Upon Truth, which is to be published on the 10th anniversary of the publication of the dossier in September next year. The context for the book, he said, was "that a great clash between New Labour and the BBC was inevitable from the day that Campbell was recruited".

Mr Gilligan was blamed by some for the death of his source, Dr David Kelly, a weapons inspector who committed suicide in 2003.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/tv-radio/iraq-evidence-vindicates-bbcs-dossier-claims-2283878.html
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PostPosted: 22-10-2011 09:32    Post subject: Reply with quote

When the war started, some people thought it would be over by Christmas...

Barack Obama brings Iraq war to a close
President Barack Obama has announced that all American troops will leave Iraq by the end of the year, bringing a formal close to a long and bloody war that divided the country.
By Alex Spillius, Washington
8:06PM BST 21 Oct 2011

In a brief appearance at the White House, Mr Obama said: "Today I can report that, as promised, the rest of our troops in Iraq will come home by the end of the year. After nearly nine years, America's war in Iraq will be over."
The remaining 40,000 US troops in Iraq, would, he said, "definitely be home for the holidays".

He conspicuously declined to repeat the mistake of his predecessor George W Bush, who started the war in March 2003 and displayed a "Mission Accomplished" banner six weeks later, only for Iraq to descend into years of insurgency and sectarian violence that has claimed at least 100,000 civilian lives.

Mr Obama however asserted that the "United States is moving forward from a position of strength".
"The last American soldier will cross the border out of Iraq with their head held high, proud of their service," he said.

The president stressed that he was meeting a withdrawal deadline reached earlier with the Iraqis, as well as keeping a pledge made as a candidate in 2008 to wind down the controversial war as fast as possible.

But his statement masked the fact that his administration had wanted to keep a residual force of 4-5,000 beyond the end of the year in a training capacity that would also have acted as a prohibitive presence to neighbouring Iran.

Despite months of discussions however, it failed to win a continued guarantee of immunity for US troops from prosecution from the Iraqi government.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/8842262/Barack-Obama-brings-Iraq-war-to-a-close.html
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Barack Obama brings Iraq war to a close

I honestly cannot remember the USA or UK declaring war on Iraq.

Apparantly someone declared a war on terror, and I find myself terrified at the thought of that.
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Iraq war veteran accused of killing four homeless men in Southern California
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/jan2012/home-j23.shtml
By Dan Conway
23 January 2012

Police in Anaheim, California arrested a suspect believed to be responsible for four grisly murders of homeless men in the surrounding area over the past four weeks. The accused, 23-year-old Itzcoatl Ocampos, is a psychologically troubled veteran of the war in Iraq. The incident brings into sharp relief the deepening social catastrophe faced by returning veterans, as well as the plight of the nation’s burgeoning homeless population.

Ocampos is scheduled to be arraigned on February 17. He is currently being held without bail by the Orange County police.

According to friends and family, Ocampos seemed abnormally distant and troubled after returning from his tour of duty in early 2011. He had become deeply distressed after witnessing his best friend die in combat in Iraq. He had also become frustrated with his inability to obtain employment upon return. Ocampos’ father is himself homeless, and is reportedly living in the abandoned cab of a freight truck he is attempting to repair.

The Ocampos family immigrated to the United States from Mexico in 1988 and has suffered a string of hardships over the past several years. The family’s home was foreclosed upon in 2009 and Ocampos’ father lost his job around the same time.
There are indications that the troubled young man wanted to be caught by police after the first killing on December 20 came to light. Ocampos reportedly made his way through police checkpoints in an indirect attempt to get arrested.

He also chose his last victim, 55-year-old John Berry, after the latter had been interviewed by the Los Angeles Times in relation to the previous killings. Police apprehended Ocampos after he was chased several blocks by dozens of bystanders who had either witnessed or soon after heard of the murder of Berry.
Berry had previously notified police that someone was stalking him. Police did not respond to Berry’s call, claiming afterwards that they had received far too many leads and tips to follow all of them.

Ocampos has thus far been kept sequestered by the Orange County Sheriff’s office. Randall Longwith, his defense attorney, has been rebuffed by the office multiple times in his attempts to visit, and was finally allowed to see his client for only 30 minutes last Friday. As of this writing, Ocampos’ family has not been allowed to visit him.

The case highlights the plight of returning Iraq and Afghanistan veterans, many of whom are finding adaptation to civilian life extraordinarily difficult, if not impossible, after psychological trauma associated with multiple tours of duty.
A steady procession of news headlines bears the news of this “collateral damage.” On New Year’s day, 24-year-old Iraq war veteran Benjamin Colton Barnes shot four individuals at a Seattle, Washington area party. Barnes then fled to Mt. Rainier National Park, where he was pulled over by Park Ranger Margaret Anderson for a routine traffic stop. Barnes shot and killed Anderson before fleeing his vehicle, and freezing to death in the wilderness.

Also on New Year’s, a 25-year-old Navy pilot, John Robert Reeves, shot and killed three individuals in Coronado, California, one of whom was a co-student in the Navy’s elite “Top Gun” program. Many of Reeves’ closest friends were stunned by the news, recalling the airman as always upbeat and friendly. Subsequent research into Reeves’ online blog postings revealed a deeply disturbed individual crying out for help.

“I might come across as a nice guy, but I unintentionally screw people over on a regular basis,” Reeves had written in a final statement. “Whenever I try to do something nice to help people out, it goes horribly wrong, and everyone would have been better off if I just kept to myself.”

More than 10 years of dirty colonial wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and across the Middle East have placed the psychological health of literally hundreds of thousands of young veterans in jeopardy. Suicide rates in the armed forces have doubled over the past 10 years, with the official unemployment rate for young veterans at over 30 percent.

A survey conducted in late 2011 by the Pew Research Center found that nearly half of all returning veterans had a difficult to very difficult time reintegrating to civilian life. According to Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, a group that assists returning veterans in their attempts to reintegrate into civilian life, 278 US Army veterans took their own lives in 2011. By way of comparison, 393 service members across all branches were actually killed in action during the same period.
The most accurate service-wide count of suicides would have to be provided by the Veterans Administration, but the government agency does not regularly release this information. The most recent count released is a horrifically high 6,000 members who took their lives in 2009. Even this figure may significantly understate the actual count, as approximately 47 percent of returning vets never register with the VA.

Despite the endless platitudes by the political establishment about “supporting the troops,” such figures, along with a continual string of tragedies such as those that occurred in California and Washington state, reveal the real attitude of the ruling elite toward an entire generation of young people. At least one of the homeless victims of the latest rampage in Orange County was a Vietnam war veteran.

In Orange County, the situation for homeless people has sharply deteriorated since the onset of the economic crisis, as it has throughout the rest of the country. Individuals regarded as clinically homeless rose to 2,500 in 2011. Despite steadily rising increases in the affected population, services for these individuals have steadily declined.

The last cold weather shelter for homeless individuals in Southern Orange County, a small facility operated by the Capo Beach Calvary Church, closed its doors in February 2011. At the time of its closing, the church was legally allowed to accommodate only 10 homeless people at a time. The 10-bed limit had been implemented as part of zoning ordinances passed by the relatively affluent cities of San Juan Capistrano, Dana Point and Laguna Niguel.

In March 2010, the National Guard Armories of Fullerton and Santa Ana in Northern Orange County ended overnight services for the homeless. Had those services still been available, any one of the four victims of this latest tragedy might have found shelter there on the nights they were murdered.
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PostPosted: 11-03-2012 20:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a wonderful democracy the invasion created. Almost as good as Afghanistan.

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Iraqis who consider themselves to be 'emo' try to conceal their identity now after a spate of attacks

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Dozens of Iraqi teenagers have been killed in recent months by militias who consider them to be devil worshippers, human rights activists claim.

The young people are described as "emos", a term used in the West to refer to youths who listen to rock music and wear alternative clothing.

Reports say that up to 58 teenagers have been beaten to death or shot in the last month, most of them men.

Iraq's interior ministry recently described emos as devil worshippers.

In Iraq, the term emo is also conflated with homosexuality, which although legal is socially and religiously taboo.

'Threatened'
Militias in Baghdad's conservative Shia neighbourhood of Sadr City have distributed leaflets with the names of 20 young people they say should be punished.

In a statement on his website, Shia cleric Moqtada al-Sadr described emo youths as "crazy and fools", but said they should be dealt with within the law.

"They are a plague on Muslim society, and those responsible should eliminate them through legal means," he said.

Mustafa, a young Iraqi, told the BBC he feels "threatened" when he wears black clothing.

"The Iraqi people look at you in a bad way," he said. "It is even worse when the Iraqi security for example arrest those in black or in the emo groups."

The interior ministry said it had not recorded any anti-gay or anti-emo killings, but said recent murders in Baghdad could be attributed to "revenge, or social, criminal, political or cultural reasons".

The International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission, based in New York, told Agence France Presse that nearly 40 people have been kidnapped, tortured or killed in Iraq since February in a "new surge of anti-gay violence".
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Reminds me of that excellent documentary Heavy Metal in Bagdad where the titular rock group had to leave their homeland forever due in part to their taste in music.
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A story that seems to have been overlooked in the West, but that has huge potential implications (notably when we think of what is happening in Lybia and Syriaand of the involvment of prince Bandar Bin Sultan, former Saudi ambassador in the USA and personal friend of the Bush family).

http://intelnews.org/2010/05/24/02-323/

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MAY 24, 2010 BY INTELNEWS

By JOSEPH FITSANAKIS | intelNews.org |
A series of unconfirmed reports from Iraq indicate that the Saudi monarchy has initiated a frantic probe into the leak of a secret document allegedly pointing to close links between Saudi intelligence and al-Qaeda activities in Iraq. The leaked government document was published last Thursday by the independent Iraqi news agency Buratha, whose editors allegedly acquired it “from a source”. The document appears to contain references to considerable support provided by Saudi intelligence services to militant Iraqi groups associated with al-Qaeda. According to Buratha, the alleged support has been mostly in the form of cash, but also through significant amounts of weapons and explosives. The alleged leak is bound to inflame the discussion about Saudi Arabia’s purported material support for Sunni paramilitary groups in Iraq (with tacit US consent), which serve Riyadh’s broader aim of buffering the rise of Sunni militancy in the country. Buratha further alleges that Saudi King Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz has ordered an extensive probe into the leak, which has so far involved the detaining or interrogation of several dozen Saudi intelligence officers. The Saudi monarch has also severely reprimanded Saudi National Security Council secretary general Bandar Bin Sultan Bin Abdul Aziz (a close personal friend of former CIA director George Tenet), and may soon fire him, Buratha reports.
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Desmond Tutu calls for Blair and Bush to be tried over Iraq

Tony Blair and George W Bush should be taken to the International Criminal Court in The Hague over the Iraq war, Archbishop Desmond Tutu has said.
Writing in the UK's Observer newspaper, he accused the former leaders of lying about weapons of mass destruction.
The Iraq military campaign had made the world more unstable "than any other conflict in history", he said.

Mr Blair responded by saying "this is the same argument we have had many times with nothing new to say".

The former Archbishop of Cape Town said the US- and UK-led action launched against Saddam's regime in 2003 had brought about conditions for the civil war in Syria and a possible Middle East conflict involving Iran.
"The then leaders of the United States [Mr Bush] and Great Britain [Mr Blair] fabricated the grounds to behave like playground bullies and drive us further apart. They have driven us to the edge of a precipice where we now stand - with the spectre of Syria and Iran before us," he said.

He added: "The question is not whether Saddam Hussein was good or bad or how many of his people he massacred. The point is that Mr Bush and Mr Blair should not have allowed themselves to stoop to his immoral level."

Archbishop Tutu said the death toll as a result of military action in Iraq since 2003 was grounds for Mr Blair and Mr Bush to be tried in The Hague.
But he said different standards appeared to be applied to Western leaders.
He said: "On these grounds, alone, in a consistent world, those responsible should be treading the same path as some of their African and Asian peers who have been made to answer for their actions in The Hague."

Earlier this week, Archbishop Tutu pulled out of a leadership summit in Johannesburg because he refused to share a platform with Mr Blair.

In response to Sunday's article, Mr Blair issued a strongly worded defence of his decisions.
He said: "To repeat the old canard that we lied about the intelligence [on weapons of mass destruction] is completely wrong as every single independent analysis of the evidence has shown.
"And to say that the fact that Saddam massacred hundreds of thousands of his citizens is irrelevant to the morality of removing him is bizarre.
"We have just had the memorials both of the Halabja massacre, where thousands of people were murdered in one day by Saddam's use of chemical weapons, and that of the Iran-Iraq war where casualties numbered up to a million, including many killed by chemical weapons.

"In addition, his slaughter of his political opponents, the treatment of the Marsh Arabs and the systematic torture of his people make the case for removing him morally strong. But the basis of action was as stated at the time."

He added: "In short this is the same argument we have had many times with nothing new to say. But surely in a healthy democracy people can agree to disagree.
"I would also point out that despite the problems, Iraq today has an economy three times or more in size, with child mortality rate cut by a third of what it was. And with investment hugely increased in places like Basra."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19454562
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