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crunchy5 Great Old One Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Total posts: 1951 Gender: Unknown |
 Posted: 07-05-2006 10:38 Post subject: The Condign Report: The MOD's UFO files |
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No details yet but I just heard on the BBC news that a 5 year study by the MOD has found that UFO's exist. 
Details to follow I hope! |
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| crunchy5 Great Old One Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Total posts: 1951 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 07-05-2006 11:12 Post subject: |
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Classic bbc rad 5 Sunday news on the news half hour later they say the report reveals that UFOs are real plasma !!!!!!  |
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| byroncac A Napoleonic Criminal
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| Posted: 07-05-2006 14:25 Post subject: |
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UFO study finds no sign of aliens
Mark Simpson
BBC News
A confidential Ministry of Defence report on Unidentified Flying Objects has concluded that there is no proof of alien life forms.
In spite of the secrecy surrounding the UFO study, it seems citizens of planet Earth have little to worry about.
The report, which was completed in 2000 and stamped "Secret: UK Eyes Only", has been made public for the first time.
Only a small number of copies were produced and the identity of the man who wrote it has been protected.
His findings were only made public thanks to the Freedom of Information Act, after a request by Sheffield Hallam University academic Dr David Clarke.
The four-year study - entitled Unidentified Aerial Phenomena in the UK - tackles the long-running question by UFO-spotters: "Is anyone out there?"
The answer, it seems, is "no".
The 400-page report puts it like this: "No evidence exists to suggest that the phenomena seen are hostile or under any type of control, other than that of natural physical forces."
It adds: "There is no evidence that 'solid' objects exist which could cause a collision hazard."
So if there are no such things as little green men in spaceships or flying saucers, why have so many people reported seeing them?
Well, here is the science bit.
"Evidence suggests that meteors and their well-known effects and, possibly some other less-known effects are responsible for some unidentified aerial phenomena," concludes the report.
"Considerable evidence exists to support the thesis that the events are almost certainly attributable to physical, electrical and magnetic phenomena in the atmosphere, mesosphere and ionosphere.
"They appear to originate due to more than one set of weather and electrically-charged conditions and are observed so infrequently as to make them unique to the majority of observers."
People who claim to have had a "close encounter" are often difficult to persuade that they did not really see what they thought they saw. The report offers a possible medical explanation.
"The close proximity of plasma related fields can adversely affect a vehicle or person," states the report.
"Local fields of this type have been medically proven to cause responses in the temporal lobes of the human brain. These result in the observer sustaining (and later describing and retaining) his or her own vivid, but mainly incorrect, description of what is experienced."
There are, of course, other causes of UFOs - aeroplanes with particularly bright lights, stray odd-shaped balloons and strange flocks of birds, to name but a few.
Yet, it will be difficult to convince everyone that there is a rational explanation for all mysterious movements in the sky.
Some UFO-spotters believe governments will always cover up the truth about UFOs, because they are afraid of admitting that there is something beyond their control.
It is not clear how much time and effort the MoD has spent looking at the skies in recent years, but it appears there are no plans for an in-depth UFO report like the one written in 2000.
A MoD spokesperson said: "Both this study and the original "Flying Saucer Working Party" [already in public domain in the national Archives] concluded that there is insufficient evidence to indicate the presence of any genuine unidentified aerial phenomena.
"It is unlikely that we would carry out any future studies unless such evidence were to emerge."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/uk/4981720.stm |
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| Mighty_Emperor Divine Wind
Joined: 18 Aug 2002 Total posts: 19943 Location: Mongo Age: 42 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 07-05-2006 15:18 Post subject: |
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Seems the MOD have been investigating this in secret and David Clarke has tracked down their report and it seems they favour "Skylights" not Earthlights (although one can't discount the effect of geology on this) as discussed here:
www.forteantimes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10365
See here for more discussion of Budden:
www.forteantimes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=313
| Quote: | The Sunday Times May 07, 2006
Sorry ET, you're just a puff of plasma
Jack Grimston
They didn't come from outer space: UFOs crash on Planet Sceptic
BRITAIN’s defence intelligence chiefs have come up with a detailed scientific explanation to solve the mystery of unidentified flying objects.
After a four-year inquiry, they have concluded that most sightings can be explained by a little-understood atmospheric phenomenon.
Scientists at the Defence Intelligence Staff (DIS) describe how glowing “plasmas” of gas are created by charges of electricity. Air flows then sculpt the plasmas into aerodynamic shapes which appear to fly at extraordinary speeds through the sky.
The document is emphatic that UFOs do not come from alien civilisations or hostile powers, but equally it does not dismiss those who claim to have seen them as fantasists or hoaxers.
Instead, the scientists say such plasmas can play tricks on the mind, creating vivid impressions. They note that “local [electromagnetic] fields . . . have been medically proven to cause responses in the temporal lobes of the brain”.
As a result, UFO witnesses may not be mad but instead suffering from “extended memory retention and repeat experiences” induced by the plasmas.
Their report says that, though UFOs have “defied credible description” as to their cause, they are confident that they now have “a reasonably justified explanation”.
It goes on to recommend that the findings on UFOs — of which more than 100 are sighted in most years — could be developed for “novel military applications”, adding that Russia is already investigating such weapons.
The report has been released under the Freedom of Information Act following an application by Dr David Clarke, a lecturer at Sheffield Hallam University, and Gary Anthony, a fellow researcher. The pair will give a presentation on the results this week.
It has been a bad year for conspiracy theorists. Last month, the “Roswell incident”, another favourite, was debunked. John Humphreys, a special effects expert behind the television cyber-presenter Max Headroom, claimed he was one of the hoaxers behind grainy black and white footage supposedly showing an autopsy on alien corpses in 1947. He said the bodies were latex models.
Files released last year under freedom of information laws showed that the Ministry of Defence maintained a special unit, named S4F, responsible for logging sightings of UFOs by the public and the military, which numbered 88 in 2004.
Those files gave detailed accounts of sightings but did not indicate that the intelligence services were using the information as the basis of
an inquiry codenamed Project Condign.
They began their inquiry in 1996, apparently without the knowledge of Michael Portillo, who was then defence secretary and responsible for the DIS.
The project was intended to assess any military danger UFOs might pose to Britain (it concludes they pose none).
The investigation by the DIS’s section DI55 was completed in 2000 under Geoff Hoon, now Europe minister, when other branches of the same agency were busy trying to find Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction.
The document, marked UK Eyes Only and entitled Unidentified Aerial Phenomena in the UK Air Defence Region, analyses 30 years of evidence on UFOs. Only 11 copies of the report were made.
“Credited with the ability to hover, land, take off, accelerate to exceptional velocities and vanish, they can reportedly alter their direction of flight suddenly and clearly can exhibit aerodynamic characteristics well beyond those of any known aircraft or missile,” states the report.
While some non-hoax sightings of UFOs may be caused by wrongly identifying aircraft, various optical illusions or obvious natural phenomena, the most common explanation, the report concludes, is “several types of rarely encountered natural events within the atmosphere and ionosphere”.
It describes how an “electrically charged . . . gaseous mass” can form in the atmosphere which is often invisible to radar but resembles the bright, fast-moving, round or cigar-shaped objects typically reported by UFO spotters.
Although the plasmas share the characteristics of reported UFOs, they remain a mystery. “The method of formations of the electrically charged plasmas . . . is not fully understood,” the report finds.
Many of the other phenomena reported by UFO spotters can be explained by plasmas. For example, the report says the space between two plasmas sometimes “forms an area . . . from which the reflection of light does not occur”, giving the impression of a “black ‘craft’, often triangular and even up to hundreds of feet in length”.
In addition, the report finds that because plasmas are electrically charged, they can change shape or colour if hit by another energy source, such as a radio signal sent by a UFO spotter. “This has led ‘ufologists’ to imagine that an ‘alien response’ is being given to their signals,” the report says. |
www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2168694_1,00.html
I've thrown my thoughts in here and while it is very interesting I'd like to see it backed up by facts and the like.
Hopefully we'll get a more detailled write up in the next FT.
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| gncxx King-Size Canary
Great Old One Joined: 25 Aug 2001 Total posts: 13561 Location: Eh? Gender: Male |
| Posted: 07-05-2006 18:42 Post subject: |
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| It's not a new theory, is it? And like all the UFO theories, it doesn't explain everything. I would say it sounds far-fetched, but hey, this is UFOs we're talking about. |
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| uair01 Great Old One Joined: 12 Apr 2005 Total posts: 1108 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 07-05-2006 20:38 Post subject: UFO study finds no sign of aliens |
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Where can I download that 400 page paper? I want to read it NOW! 
Source:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4981720.stm
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UFO study finds no sign of aliens
Mark Simpson
BBC News
Alleged UFO sightings
A confidential Ministry of Defence report on Unidentified Flying Objects has concluded that there is no proof of alien life forms.
In spite of the secrecy surrounding the UFO study, it seems citizens of planet Earth have little to worry about.
The report, which was completed in 2000 and stamped "Secret: UK Eyes Only", has been made public for the first time.
Only a small number of copies were produced and the identity of the man who wrote it has been protected.
His findings were only made public thanks to the Freedom of Information Act, after a request by Sheffield Hallam University academic Dr David Clarke.
The four-year study - entitled Unidentified Aerial Phenomena in the UK - tackles the long-running question by UFO-spotters: "Is anyone out there?"
The answer, it seems, is "no".
The 400-page report puts it like this: "No evidence exists to suggest that the phenomena seen are hostile or under any type of control, other than that of natural physical forces."
It adds: "There is no evidence that 'solid' objects exist which could cause a collision hazard."
So if there are no such things as little green men in spaceships or flying saucers, why have so many people reported seeing them?
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I hope this is not some kind of 1 April hoax, but the date says:
| Quote: | | Last Updated: Sunday, 7 May 2006, 12:35 GMT 13:35 UK |
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| Anonymous |
| Posted: 07-05-2006 21:42 Post subject: |
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| If it exists please pass on the link. However, from a purely scientific point of view, there is no evidence that aliens exist, or have come to earth. Of course, there is no evidence that they have not either. Ho hum. Look forward to bringing out the old razor. |
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| wombat103 Great Old One Joined: 08 Feb 2004 Total posts: 465 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 08-05-2006 01:44 Post subject: UFOs are tricks of the mind |
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 the over view xpressed in this news item just cracked me up.
the link to the ufo photos at the end of this post are really only plasma...yup ..ok .. no worrys.....
UFOs are tricks of the mind: scientists
From: AAP
May 07, 2006
A SCIENTIFIC explanation of unidentified flying objects has reportedly emerged from an inquiry by defence intelligence.
The Sunday Times newspaper says after a four-year study experts concluded most sightings could be explained by a little-known atmospheric phenomenon.
Scientists have described how glowing plasmas of gas are created by charges of electricity.
It says air flows then sculpted the plasmas into aerodynamic shapes which appeared to fly at extraordinary speeds through the sky.
The researchers say UFOs don't come from alien civilisations but say people who claim to have seen them aren't fantasists or hoaxers.
Instead, they say plasmas could play tricks on the mind creating vivid impressions.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,19058692-23109,00.html
and now for some "plasma" pics.
scuze my cynicism ..but get real.
link
edited by TheQuixote: created hyperlink to stop page break |
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| Mighty_Emperor Divine Wind
Joined: 18 Aug 2002 Total posts: 19943 Location: Mongo Age: 42 Gender: Male |
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| Posted: 08-05-2006 13:24 Post subject: |
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This BBC report shows the sort of mentality they have to UFO's. When a MOD report is released showing that UFO's are some sort of natural phenomenon they go out of there way to promote it to the hilt. But you try and get them (BBC/Media) to acknowledge some of the weird stuff , and all you will get is a weird silence.
This report is a distraction and nothing more. The MOD is not there to help the UFO community. I am sure maybe some info can be gleaned from it about how the UK military approach the issue, but it is a distraction and nothing more. I am sure Dr Clarke will give us pages of this "report" in FT for the next several months while ignoring legitimate cases....... |
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| Anonymous |
| Posted: 08-05-2006 15:56 Post subject: |
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| Found a copy of the Mail just now. (Not much news, just the usual ranting). However, if the article is correct (and the posts above lead me to believe that the Mail have sort of got it right) then I must see the report. The claim that the energy contained in plasma can somehow affect perception etc?? Please, as a psychologist, explain this to me (its okay I have physics as well)....natural energy release causing similar perceptual shifts in consciousness across a wide population sample. This startling fact alone needs to be investigated... |
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| graylien Great Old One Location: Norwich - home of the Puppet Man! Age: 42 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 08-05-2006 16:33 Post subject: |
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It's slowly kicking off over at UFO Updates.
Heavyweight Stan Friedman has already entered the ring, commenting that "It is interesting that no mention is made of plasmas around craft as part of, for example, a magneto-aerodynamic propulsion system, about which I have been talking and writing for almost 40 years."
And Nick "Real-Life Fox Mulder" Pope has assured everyone that "I am not the author of the report", adding "It would be inappropriate for me to criticise the report, but I do not agree with some of its conclusions".
Predictably, the Magonians seem quite chuffed, while everyone else is muttering darkly about disinformation and government cover-ups and Swamp Gas. |
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| Mighty_Emperor Divine Wind
Joined: 18 Aug 2002 Total posts: 19943 Location: Mongo Age: 42 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 08-05-2006 16:52 Post subject: |
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I think Pope's comments are interesting:
| Quote: | It would be inappropriate for me to criticise the report, but I
do not agree with some of its conclusions, particularly where
they relate to subjects such as electrically-charged atmospheric
plasmas, or temporal lobe disorders, where there is no
scientific consensus. |
As opposed to.. you know aliens and stuff 
Looks like we will be able to see the whole thing:
| Quote: | The release of this report is part of an ongoing series of
releases under the Freedom of Information Act. The MOD is
committed to releasing as much UFO material as possible,
proactively, under the FOIA 'Publication Scheme'.
The full report will be posted on the MOD's website on 15 May. |
www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2006/may/m07-022.shtml |
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| Anonymous |
| Posted: 08-05-2006 17:20 Post subject: |
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| Right. As far as my education in neuropsych goes, I know that one can use transcranial magnetic stimulation to affect the brain. Pick a lobe. But currently, only (really) the outer brain structures. And only briefly. To use an electromagnetic burst that caused a change/alternation in perception so great that critical reasoning is bypassed (probably via the 'lying' left hemisphere) beggers belief. Remembering my physics, a magnetic pulse is bloody hard to project (sorry magneto, you can't exist) and in order to affect change in the human brain, it has to be bloody strong (sorry magnetic wrist band wearing suckers). I really want to see scientific references for this one. |
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| wembley8 Home of Legends Joined: 24 Jan 2003 Total posts: 2001 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 08-05-2006 20:31 Post subject: |
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They're rehashing Michael Persinger's theory of electrically-induced alien experiences, he's been in FT a few times, and has experiment with a 'magic helmet' which can induce visions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Persinger
Plasma MHD craft are pure science fiction, but plasma aerodynamic/stealth has been around since the 1960s (see Ghost Planes story in FT last month). |
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