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robbo616 Eat flies,say I. Great Old One Joined: 11 May 2005 Total posts: 140 Location: Lüneburg, Germany Age: 42 Gender: Male |
Posted: 25-10-2006 09:50 Post subject: |
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What if(this is a purely rhetorical question)
It was made known by medical authorities that a condition exists- SP.
That it was fairly common.
That one would almost certainly seem to experience an alien abduction-and that this condition is as common as a cold-Would it still be reported or remarked upon?
Would fat,sweaty workers say to their workmates"Ey,I 'ad that bloody SP again last night,second time this week!""Oh,yeah,"says buddy"Did you get the hag or the aliens this time?"
Is SP just something we humans get?Like a runny nose?
As an aside,Yetifeet1975 wrote:
| Quote: | | Due to having served most of my life in the Army, I have become a light sleeper, meaning as soon as I hear a noise Im up. |
Strange chap.I spent thirteen years in the Army and you couldn't get me up with an ice-axe and an airhorn.(I'll have to edit this to find out the quotee's name) |
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OldTimeRadio Great Old One Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Total posts: 5539 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio USA Age: 72 Gender: Male |
Posted: 26-10-2006 06:50 Post subject: |
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| robbo616 wrote: | What if(this is a purely rhetorical question) It was made known by medical authorities that a condition exists- SP. That it was fairly common. That one would almost certainly seem to experience an alien abduction-and that this condition is as common as a cold-Would it still be reported or remarked upon? |
Sorry, I like to answer rhetorical questions, since they're the only ones I'm any good at. <g>
If "old hag" experiences and "alien abductions" were as common as the common cold they might be considered no more worth talking about. But in those countries where whistling bullets are even more common than the cold, those projectiles are still thought to be worth dodging!
But since Old Hags are much rarer than the sniffles it's a fairly moot point.
Do I think believe that sleepers are abducted by aliens from space? No. Do I then believe that the abduction phenomenon is completely explainable by the known, established laws of human physiology. No. |
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OldTimeRadio Great Old One Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Total posts: 5539 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio USA Age: 72 Gender: Male |
Posted: 26-10-2006 07:01 Post subject: |
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| I wonder how the answers to the poll question would have differed (if at all) had the question been phrased as some mix-and-match version of "Have your ever been (abducted) (harrassed) (threatened) (pursued) by any (non-human) (ultraterrestrial) (demonic) (poltergeistic) agency?" |
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robbo616 Eat flies,say I. Great Old One Joined: 11 May 2005 Total posts: 140 Location: Lüneburg, Germany Age: 42 Gender: Male |
Posted: 26-10-2006 17:24 Post subject: |
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Dear OTR,
I insist you stop inventerising your own words!
You have me at an advantage.I have no idea what this could mean.
| Quote: | | Do I think believe that sleepers are abducted by aliens from space? No. Do I then believe that the abduction phenomenon is completely explainable by the known, established laws of human physiology. No. |
I quite agree.Until the unknown and yet to be established laws are known,
speculation and guessery will abound. |
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OldTimeRadio Great Old One Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Total posts: 5539 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio USA Age: 72 Gender: Male |
Posted: 27-10-2006 06:07 Post subject: |
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| robbo616 wrote: |
Dear OTR,
I insist you stop inventerising your own words!
You have me at an advantage.I have no idea what this could mean.
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"Poltergeistic" gets 1650 hits from Google.
As for "whistling bullets" it was a rather round-about way of saying that just because things are commonly-reported, such as flying bullets in revolutionary countries, doesn't neccessarily make them any less evidential. There's this view in Paranormalism, which I've never understood, that the more a Phenomenon is reported as having been witnessed the more folkloric and fictional it must be. (Check through the earlier postings on this thread.) |
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BlackRiverFalls I wear a fez now.
Joined: 03 Aug 2003 Total posts: 8716 Location: The Attic of Blinky Lights Age: 44 Gender: Female |
Posted: 12-12-2006 09:29 Post subject: |
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i came across these two abstracts by accident, and thought it best dropped in here as it seems to be the main 'abduction' thread... pity the full articles aren't available:
| Quote: | Dissociation : Vol. 7, No. 1, p. 044-050 : Dissociation in alleged extraterrestrial abductees
Dissociation in alleged extraterrestrial abductees
Powers, Susan Marie
Mar-1994
Ridgeview Institute and the International Society for the Study of Dissociation
Abstract: Dissociative symptoms were assessed in twenty persons who claim extraterrestrial abduction. This paper presents the results of two inventories: the MMPI subscale for Post-traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) and the Perceptual Alteration Scale. To obtain comparative data, two other groups of twenty subjects each were given the inventories: sightees, people who report witnessing unidentified flying objects but do not recall extraterrestrial contact, and individuals who recall childhood sexual abuse. The sightee group served as a control whereas the sexually abused group was included to explore any similarities between alleged abductees and sexually abused persons. PTSD symptoms were manifested by 45 % of the abductees, 0 % of the sightees, and 70% of the sexually abused subjects. Dissociation symptoms were demonstrated by 70% of the abductees, 10% of the sightees, and 100 % of the sexually abused subjects. These results suggest that distressed individuals alleging extraterrestrial abduction may benefit from therapies designed to address dissociation and PTSD. |
https://scholarsbank.uoregon.edu/dspace/handle/1794/1516
| Quote: | Dissociation : Vol. 7, No. 1, p. 051-062 : Chronic claims of alien abduction and some other traumas as self-victimization syndromes
Chronic claims of alien abduction and some other traumas as self-victimization syndromes
Schnabel, Jim
Mar-1994
Ridgeview Institute and the International Society for the Study of Dissociation
Abstract: This paper discusses the case of an alleged alien abduction victim who claimed a wide range of dissociation-related and traumatic experiences, with a heavy thematic emphasis upon sexual abuse, extending back to a traumatic non-abuse incident in childhood, for which she apparently was never amnesic. Certain aspects of her history seem consistent with dissociative disorders, organic mental disorders, and Miinchausen's syndrome. This case and the alien abduction syndrome as well as some oral narratives associated with multiple personality disorder and "Satanic ritual abuse," do not derive exclusively from severe exogenous trauma and may be viewed more usefully as manifestations of manipulative self-victimization syndromes. |
https://scholarsbank.uoregon.edu/dspace/handle/1794/1519 |
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Posted: 12-12-2006 11:25 Post subject: |
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Here they are in .pdf format...
Dissociation : Vol. 7, No. 1, p. 044-050 : Dissociation in alleged extraterrestrial abductees
Dissociation in alleged extraterrestrial abductees
Powers, Susan Marie
Mar-1994
pdf file here.
Dissociation : Vol. 7, No. 1, p. 051-062 : Chronic claims of alien abduction and some other traumas as self-victimization syndromes
Chronic claims of alien abduction and some other traumas as self-victimization syndromes
Schnabel, Jim
Mar-1994
pdf file here. |
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BlackRiverFalls I wear a fez now.
Joined: 03 Aug 2003 Total posts: 8716 Location: The Attic of Blinky Lights Age: 44 Gender: Female |
Posted: 12-12-2006 20:35 Post subject: |
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*claps hands*
clever clever mr frobush
i'll give those a read when my brain isn't totally pulp... |
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sunsplash1 Fortean and Proud cognitively purposefuly I Joined: 09 Jan 2004 Total posts: 2074 Location: The Hills, overlooking a smallish antipodean city in South Australia Gender: Unknown |
Posted: 14-12-2006 13:00 Post subject: |
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Ditto, very big thanks Fro!
Is that the same Jim S of 'round in circles' fame? |
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stuneville Administrator
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Posted: 14-12-2006 23:25 Post subject: |
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That's the chappie. His Dark White is one of the very best, level-headed and above all clear treatments on abductions I've ever read. Concludes that something's happening, definitely, but he seriously doubts ETs have anything to do with it.
An opinion with which I personally agree whole-heartedly. I was discussing this very subject with a friend a few weeks ago (she's a psychologist), and she mentioned that it's easier for humans to psychologically deal with something if they can surrender themselves to believing that they have no control over it, be it God, aliens, succubi, mundane adverse circumstances or whatever, rather than dealing with something that may be entirely from inside. Humans aren't good at dealing with blame, on the whole. Greys are just an deeper-ingrained, adult version of "Mr Nobody" if you look at it that way |
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OldTimeRadio Great Old One Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Total posts: 5539 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio USA Age: 72 Gender: Male |
Posted: 15-12-2006 02:20 Post subject: |
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| stuneville wrote: | | Concludes that something's happening, definitely, but he seriously doubts ETs have anything to do with it. An opinion with which I personally agree whole-heartedly. |
That's also the idea which makes the most sense to me.
Though it's also possible that we've severely mis-identified and mis-interpreted (although not neccessarily mis-judged) what we call "ETs." |
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gncxx King-Size Canary Great Old One Joined: 25 Aug 2001 Total posts: 13561 Location: Eh? Gender: Male |
Posted: 14-06-2013 18:29 Post subject: |
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Surprised no one's mentioned this, but there was a documentary about British alien abductees on Channel 4 last night. You can watch it here:
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/confessions-of-an-alien-abductee/4od/player/3533745
Walked the fine line between sympathy and having a laugh with the idea, and left you to make up your own mind, which is the best way, I think. Some remarkable scenes, with that councillor who said his mum was an alien, a woman who undergoes a lie detector test to prove she's not lying (oops) and an apparent agoraphobic who puts her anxieties down to being abducted over and over.
It was kind of sad by the end, because they are obviously troubled people and the more you find out about them the more you fear for their sanity. I'd have liked to hear more of the stories they tell, but this was pretty good for a modern UFO doc. |
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Zilch5 Vogon Poet Great Old One Joined: 08 Nov 2007 Total posts: 1527 Location: Western Sydney, Australia Gender: Male |
Posted: 11-07-2013 06:27 Post subject: |
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Here's a bit more on "that councillor":
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Simon Parkes
U.K. City Councillor, like former Canadian defence minister Paul Hellyer, thinks aliens are real and regularly visit Earth. (YouTube/Getty)
Simon Parkes, a city councillor from the U.K., has joined former Canadian defence minister Paul Hellyer in claiming aliens exist and visit Earth.
But Parkes, who sits on the Whitby town council, makes Hellyer seem positively believable.
Parkes, who is set to star in a new documentary on alien abductions, told the Northern Echo that he has fathered a child with an alien. In fact, Parkes says he has sex with an extraterrestrial he calls the "Cat Queen" four times a year. In case you're wondering, the kid's name is Zarka.
Unsurprisingly, Parkes says the relationship has put some strain on his marriage with his human wife.
Parkes' belief in aliens is well-documented. In the past he has told stories of abduction and claimed that his real mother is a 9-foot-tall alien with eight fingers. He says he was first contacted by extraterrestrials while he was still in the womb.
Parkes appears in a number of videos on the YouTube channel Underground Video (UK) Research and Archive Pirate Radio, where he and others describe their very-alleged experiences with aliens. In one clip, Parkes is hypnotized in an attempt to access repressed abduction memories. The video is part of a series of interviews done with the Anomalous Mind Management, Abductee, Contactee Helpline Project, a British group devoted to work with those who have (very purportedly) been kidnapped by aliens.
The attention for Parkes comes on the heels of former Canadian defence minister Paul Hellyer's testimony before six former congressmen at the Citizen Hearing On Disclosure in Washington D.C., in which he asserted that at least four species of aliens have been visiting Earth for thousands of years and that extraterrestrials are at this very moment working in concert with the U.S. government. |
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/06/18/simon-parkes-aliens-paul-hellyer-video_n_3461594.html |
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gncxx King-Size Canary Great Old One Joined: 25 Aug 2001 Total posts: 13561 Location: Eh? Gender: Male |
Posted: 11-07-2013 17:18 Post subject: |
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| In the recent doc, the implication was the councillor's troubled relationship with his alcoholic mother spurred him onto flights of fancy as a coping mechanism. It just got out of hand. |
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