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| Anonymous |
 Posted: 22-02-2003 09:13 Post subject: Humans |
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Don't you just love how Discovery put this in their article...
"O'Shea said having captive giant squid would allow researchers to expand their severely limited understanding of the creatures, and hopefully aid in protecting them."
....like they need our help of something... what egos.
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Xeyes Great Old One Joined: 06 Sep 2001 Total posts: 135 Location: Somewhere hot all year round Gender: Male |
| Posted: 27-02-2003 17:05 Post subject: |
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Not So far anyway.
Does anyone out there recall in the sixties a story of a Sperm Whale caught which had Sucker scars 18 inches in diameter on it, which they said mean't it had fought a squid over 200 feet in lenth! Or I suppose an unknown Squid which has huge suckers!
If anyone can point me to anymore info on this I would be most interested. |
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| Anonymous |
| Posted: 08-11-2003 04:08 Post subject: Re: Giant Squid alive picture |
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| ninja wrote: |
Anybody know if there has ever been a giant squid photographed alive and eating anything. |
Ninja et al,
http://www.tonmo.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1358&start=0
It wasn't feeding, but it was Architeuthis, and it was very much alive when photographed.
Yours truly,
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| Mighty_Emperor Divine Wind
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| Mighty_Emperor Divine Wind
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| Anonymous |
| Posted: 08-11-2003 04:59 Post subject: |
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Avast Emperor,
If you do sleep, there's a good chance you'll dream of the eye.
Considering the crowd present when the living Architeuthis entered the rockpool, it's likely that there was more than one camera recording the event. We don't yet have a description of the squid's behavior, before and after it was captured. The questions pile up. Was it moribund, or energetic? Had it recently mated? Was the ejection of water from the siphon weak, or forceful? Did it defend itself?
As Steve O'Shea said, the full story has not yet been told.
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| Mighty_Emperor Divine Wind
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| Mighty_Emperor Divine Wind
Joined: 18 Aug 2002 Total posts: 19943 Location: Mongo Age: 42 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 08-11-2003 06:50 Post subject: Squid vs whale |
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The two cases of giant squids fighting with whales are interesting is there more information in the cryptozoological books?
I did a bit of digging:
South African Lighthouse
more detail:
| Quote: | | We know the giant squid tangles with whales from eye-witness accounts. In October 1966, two lighthouse keepers at Danger Point, South Africa, observed a baby southern right whale under attack from a giant squid. For an hour and a half the monster clung to the whale trying to drown it as the whale's mother watched helplessly. "The little whale could stay down for 10 to 12 minutes, then come up. It would just have enough time to spout - only two or three seconds - and then down again." The squid finally won and the baby whale was never seen again. |
http://unmuseum.mus.pa.us/squid.htm
| Quote: | In 1966 two lighthouse keepers at Danger Point near Pearly Beach claimed to have seen a giant squid choking a baby whale while its helpless mother looked on.
No footage exists of the tangle, but it is remembered by the local museum's curator, Jan Fourie. |
http://www.suntimes.co.za/2003/08/24/news/cape/nct02.asp
that whole report is interesting in regard to this thread's general thrust - more info here:
http://www.tonmo.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1081
Soviet whaler
| Quote: | | In 1965, a Soviet whaler watched a battle between a squid and a 40 ton sperm whale. In this case neither were victorious. The strangled whale was found floating in the sea with the squid's tentacles wrapped around the whale's throat. The squid's severed head was found in the whale's stomach. |
http://unmuseum.mus.pa.us/squid.htm
| Quote: | | In 1965, the crew of a Soviet whaler claimed to have witnessed a 40-ton sperm whale embattled with a giant squid. Although the squid didn’t exactly win, neither did the whale. The whale was found floating, dead and strangled, the tentacles of the giant squid still wrapped around its body. The head of the squid was found in the whale’s stomach |
http://www.state.ma.us/czm/coastlines03/c34.htm
and on and on - virtually ever online source repeats this nearly word for word (or trims it down a little) - no names or further information is ever given.
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So does anyone have any better info on that?
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Incidental stuff I found:
Giant Squid timeline:
http://207.150.221.97/dekkerdr/squid/hist.asp
Innteresting piece with further sources of info:
http://www.angelfire.com/biz3/mostlyharmless/giantsquid.html
Book:
Ellis, R. (1998). The Search for the Giant Squid. The Lyons Press, NY. 322 pp. |
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| Anonymous |
| Posted: 08-11-2003 12:06 Post subject: |
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| You don't think squiddly-diddly's eye has been retouched in the photo's, do you? it just seems a bit too good to be true, if you know what I mean. |
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| Anonymous |
| Posted: 08-11-2003 13:30 Post subject: |
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| molga parrot wrote: |
You don't think squiddly-diddly's eye has been retouched in the photo's, do you? it just seems a bit too good to be true, if you know what I mean. |
Hello Parrot,
No, I don't know what you mean. If you're put off by the rather smallish appearance of the Architeuthis' eye, it's easily explained: the muscular ring the orbit sits within has contracted, probably in response to the flash photography. It isn't blinking per se, but it is squinting. As for the veracity of the photos, Kubodera Tsunemi, the teuthologist who took charge of the specimen, has authored (or co-authored) too many important contributions to cephalopod studies to piss it away on a fraud. It's the real deal. Enjoy it, for heaven's sake!
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| Mighty_Emperor Divine Wind
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| Mighty_Emperor Divine Wind
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| Posted: 08-11-2003 15:10 Post subject: Other squid attacks |
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Squid attacks seem a good opportunity to see live squids - some other reports I tried tracking down online:
The Brunswick
| Quote: | | The Brunswick was a 15,000 ton auxiliary tanker owned by the Royal Norwegian Navy. In the 1930's it was attacked at least three times by giant squid. In each case the attack was deliberate as the squid would pull along side of the ship, pace it, then suddenly turn, run into the ship and wrap it's tentacles around the hull. The encounters were fatal for the squid. Since the animal was unable to get a good grip on the ship's steel surface, the animals slid off and fell into the ship's propellers. |
http://unmuseum.mus.pa.us/squid.htm
this seems to suggest 3 squid while this suggests one:
| Quote: | | Some dismiss the notion of a squid attacking a boat, but that very occurrence has been documented in the 1930's. In fact, it was the Brunswick, an auxiliary tanker in the Royal Norwegian Navy, that was attacked. The giant squid paced the ship, then turned and aggressively attacked the ship. Three times this happened, until the squid, who could not get a good grip on the metal hull, slipped and fell into the propellers. No damage was done to the Brunswick, as its immense size dwarfed the squid. It was quite an amazing occurrence, and it went to show that these creatures are certainly capable of attacking sailing vessels. |
http://www.trueauthority.com/cryptozoology/squid.htm
Obviously just a little lack of clarity 
| Quote: | | Another account of a giant squid attacking a ship is given in the logs of the Brunswick, a Norwegian Trawler. In the logs an account is given of a giant squid attacking this large ship three different times, before the squid finally slid into the ship's propellers and was killed. |
http://www.dynamicearth.com/articles/monsters3.htm
So there are logs then?
More detail:
| Quote: | | A more recent account occurred in the Pacific between 1930 and 1933. The incident was not reported until 1946 by Arne Gronningsaeter, who was then master of the freighter, Brunswick. He tells the story of a squid swimming along side his ship at a speed of twenty to twenty-five knots, and ramming into the side of the ship. The animal was then caught in the propeller and was ground to pieces (Ellis, 1994). |
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Geyser/5306/architeuthis.htm
there is no other mention of Arne Gronningsaeter (or Gronningsater) online in this context. I assume the reference is to the Ellis is to the book I mentioned above:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0140286764/
and gets recommended by Loren Coleman:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/listmania/list-browse/-/2OVXW58TKOXXR/
War stories
This seems a little vague - any other info:
| Quote: | | There is at least one report from World War II of survivors of a sunken ship being attacked by a giant squid that ate one of the party |
http://unmuseum.mus.pa.us/squid.htm
| Quote: | | In World War II, survivors of sunken ships reported being menaced by giant squid in the Atlantic and Pacific Ocean. |
http://www.darkensouls.com/corner/giantsquid.htm
| Quote: | | Other accounts tell of giant squid grabbing men from the waters as ships were sank in World War I and II |
Really good article on the whole thing:
http://www.dynamicearth.com/articles/monsters3.htm
| Quote: | Some shipwrecked sailors were allegedly attacked by a giant squid during World War 2 as they floated in their lifeboats. A sailor was said to have been plucked from his boat by a giant tentacle, never to be seen again. However, as with many things found on
the internet, these “reports” should be taken with a grain of salt. |
From an interesting study into how practicial it would be for giant squid to be able to attack (note its a PDF):
http://www.zoology.ubc.ca/~biol438/Reports/Squid.PDF
[edit: Ah more 'detail':
| Quote: | | During World War 2, a giant squid attacked sailors. Their ship sank, and they drifted in the sea in a small lifeboat, hoping for rescue. In the middle of the night, a huge tentacle came over the side and grabbed a sailor. His friends pulled it off before it dragged him over the side of the lifeboat, but the suckers of the gigantic tentacle put circular wounds on the sailor’s chest. The giant squid stalked them all night long, and sadly, pulled another sailor overboard and ate him. |
http://nm.essortment.com/squidgiantlarg_rehq.htm
| Quote: | During the Second World War a giant squid attacked sailors whose ship had sunk and they drifted in a small lifeboat hoping for rescue. In the middle of the night, a huge tentacle came over the side of the lifeboat and grabbed a sailor. His friends managed to pull it off before it dragged him over the side but the suckers of the tentacle had inflicted huge circular wounds on his chest.
The giant squid is said to have stalked them all night and, eventually, it had its way when it managed to pull another sailor overboard to his death. |
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0203/S00159.htm
a bit of a differnt tale:
| Quote: | | Back during World War II, two men in a boat off Newfoundland almost made up part of the diet of a particular squid who worked a tentacle into their large dory. They cut it off with an axe — and that’s about the closest any human has been to a live supersquid. |
http://www.bayweekly.com/year02/issueX47/burtonX47.html
Still pretty damn vague though.]
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Again the reports are the same or very, very vague (respectively) so any other information on these?
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On a side note it appears global warming may be killing them:
http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/18158/newsDate/14-Oct-2002/story.htm
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Some other links that turned up:
http://www.believe.hostmb.com/giantsquid.htm
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/04/0423_030423_seamonsters.html
http://www.pbs.org/odyssey/odyssey/20020705_log_transcript.html
Emps
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| Anonymous |
| Posted: 08-11-2003 16:03 Post subject: |
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| New, live Architeuthis picture comes to light... |
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| Mighty_Emperor Divine Wind
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| Anonymous |
| Posted: 08-11-2003 21:07 Post subject: Re: Dun-Dun Dun-Dun Dun-Dun Dun-Dun Dun-Dun DUN Dun Dun-Dun |
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Royal Navy my arse!
American chopper, American scenery...  |
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