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gncxx King-Size Canary
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| filcee wrote: | | Didn't the National Front and Louis Farrakhans Nation of Islam have a working relationship some time ago? They were both working towards the same ends - no racial integration, etc... |
There were strong rumours that The Nation of Islam and the KKK were working together for a segregated USA. I recall seeing a photograph of Farrakhan at a KKK rally as a guest speaker a few years ago. |
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| filcee Beer Monkey Joined: 12 Jun 2002 Total posts: 889 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 31-01-2007 10:11 Post subject: |
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| I may be confused, and it actually was the KKK he was linked to, but I was pretty sure it was the NF / BNP - something about him being banned from entering the country before it could go any further? |
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| barfing_pumpkin A pumpkin that pukes. Yes. I am.
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| Posted: 01-02-2007 14:25 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Didn't the National Front and Louis Farrakhans Nation of Islam have a working relationship some time ago? |
On a similar note ... didn't the BNP make overtures to Colonel Gaddafi ages ago? Heard something about it on a programme once ... as to why, exactly, they were so interested in getting in contact with him, I don't recall. |
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| Pietro_Mercurios Heuristically Challenged
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| Posted: 01-02-2007 15:29 Post subject: |
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| barfing_pumpkin wrote: | | Quote: | | Didn't the National Front and Louis Farrakhans Nation of Islam have a working relationship some time ago? |
On a similar note ... didn't the BNP make overtures to Colonel Gaddafi ages ago? Heard something about it on a programme once ... as to why, exactly, they were so interested in getting in contact with him, I don't recall. |
I once read a letter, in something like Private Eye, back in the Eighties, from someone claiming to be ex-NF, who turned from 'Paki bashing', when he realised that General Zia was much more the sort of Dictator he wanted to follow than his own party's 'Leaders' (Tyndall and the like) and ended up marrying a Pakistani woman. |
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| ramonmercado Psycho Punk
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| Posted: 06-02-2007 13:16 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Anger at Zanzibar veil driver ban
Police say they want to cut traffic accidents in Zanzibar
Muslims on the island of Zanzibar are protesting over a police ban on women driving whilst wearing veils.
Police commander Ramadhan Khatib says the ban, aimed at reducing traffic accidents, takes effect immediately.
But Muslim leaders say it is as an attack on the religion observed by some 95% of the island's population.
Police recorded more than 600 accidents last year, but there are few women drivers on Zanzibar and no indications if any were caused by veiled drivers.
"A survey conducted last year showed that the number of accidents is on the rise within the island and we have to reduce the causes. Veils have the ability to obstruct the sight of the driver and we will not allow them," said Mr Khatib.
The police should check on other causes of accidents like drink-driving and unqualified drivers on our roads, but not target women
Asha Hamida
But Ali Hazan, leader of the Muslim Awareness Campaign group in Zanzibar, says the police directive is against the teachings of the religion that requires women to wear the veil and they will not accept it.
"We were not consulted over this issue and are concerned that the police, knowing that most people here are Muslims, can issue such a careless directive," he said.
The BBC's Ally Saleh in Zanzibar says police insist that this is not targeted at Muslims.
But the few women drivers on the roads do not support police claims that veils may be harmful, our correspondent says.
"If one has properly fastened her veil it will not distract her," Asha Hamida told the BBC
"The police should check on other causes of accidents like drink-driving and unqualified drivers on our roads, but not target women."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6334451.stm
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| Cochise Great Old One Joined: 17 Jun 2011 Total posts: 1104 Location: Gwynedd, Wales Age: 58 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 30-09-2013 12:04 Post subject: |
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| Spookdaddy wrote: | | Cochise wrote: | | Pietro_Mercurios wrote: |
As I've posted elsewhere, rigorously and fairly upholding the law of the land is the best defence against the sort of abuse and intimidation that might be the norm in other cultures. As well as our in own, although it may take different forms.
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Agreed. |
Seconded. A robust insistence on adherence to our own laws is, as far as I can see, the simplest and probably the most effective thing we can do. Many of the other suggestions on this thread stray onto territory in which I do not wish to ever reside. |
As a matter of interest (and maybe this should be posted somewhere else) I called in for petrol at a place on the Swindon/Gloucester road which had notices on every pump insisting that all head covering - crash helmets, hoodies, even baseball hats and flat caps - be removed before attempting to fill your tank 'to prevent drive-away crime' . I wonder what they do if an orthodox Jew, a strict Muslim, or a nun wants to buy petrol?
I wish I'd taken a photo of the sign, but didn't think of it until I drove off. |
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| Quake42 Warrior Princess
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| Posted: 30-09-2013 13:11 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | . I wonder what they do if an orthodox Jew, a strict Muslim, or a nun wants to buy petrol?
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A Jewish skullcap, nun's habit or indeed a Sikh turban would not obscure the face in any way. A niqab would of course, but it would be a brave garage manager who would ask for a veil to be removed... |
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| Pietro_Mercurios Heuristically Challenged
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| Posted: 30-09-2013 14:43 Post subject: |
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| Cochise wrote: | | (and maybe this should be posted somewhere else). |
I think it probably should. |
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| Pietro_Mercurios Heuristically Challenged
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| Posted: 01-10-2013 15:37 Post subject: |
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| Pietro_Mercurios wrote: | | Cochise wrote: | | (and maybe this should be posted somewhere else). |
I think it probably should. |
Found an old thread about Jack Straw banning the Burkha, changed the title and added the recent posts about forbidding face obscuring headgear on garage forecourts.
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Personally, I think banning burkahs, or niqabs, might encourage some Muslim women to adopt them as a mark of their cultural identity. It's also pretty hard to justify banning clothing that some women might wear as a sign of their religious beliefs and a statement of their modesty, in a society that's perfectly okay with head to toe tattooing or piercing and regular semi-nudity.
As to garage forecourts, I'd imagine that, late on a Friday or Saturday night, women in niqabs are the least of the garage attendant's worries. |
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| Quake42 Warrior Princess
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| Posted: 01-10-2013 15:37 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Personally, I think banning burkahs, or niqabs, might encourage some Muslim women to adopt them as a mark of their cultural identity. |
That sounds credible, but OTOH there are a lot more women wearing burkas on the streets of London than there are in France or Belgium where they are banned.
| Quote: | Personally, I think banning burkahs, or niqabs, might encourage some Muslim women to adopt them as a mark of their cultural identity. It's also pretty hard to justify banning clothing that some women might wear as a sign of their religious beliefs and a statement of their modesty, in a society that's perfectly okay with head to toe tattooing or piercing and regular semi-nudity.
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PM, are you for real? Seriously?
The niqab/burka garment that forces a woman to hide her face, that prevents her from interacting with the world in any meaningful sense - from eating, drinking, chatting, working - a garment prescribed by religious bigots who hate women (and men, who apparently can't be trusted to keep their hands or genitals to themselves if confronted with an unveiled face). A garment that keeps women from having any independence outside of the home. A garment that causes vitamin D deficiency. You are *seriously* comparing such a vile misogynist article with people having tattoos or wearing cropped tops?
Cultural cringe gone completely, stratospherically bonkers.
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| Pietro_Mercurios Heuristically Challenged
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| Posted: 01-10-2013 15:40 Post subject: |
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| It's obviously Political Incorrectness gone mad. |
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| Pietro_Mercurios Heuristically Challenged
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| Posted: 01-10-2013 15:53 Post subject: |
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| Quake42 wrote: | ...
| Quote: | Personally, I think banning burkahs, or niqabs, might encourage some Muslim women to adopt them as a mark of their cultural identity. It's also pretty hard to justify banning clothing that some women might wear as a sign of their religious beliefs and a statement of their modesty, in a society that's perfectly okay with head to toe tattooing or piercing and regular semi-nudity.
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PM, are you for real? Seriously?
The niqab/burka garment that forces a woman to hide her face, that prevents her from interacting with the world in any meaningful sense - from eating, drinking, chatting, working - a garment prescribed by religious bigots who hate women (and men, who apparently can't be trusted to keep their hands or genitals to themselves if confronted with an unveiled face). A garment that keeps women from having any independence outside of the home. A garment that causes vitamin D deficiency. You are *seriously* comparing such a vile misogynist article with people having tattoos or wearing cropped tops?
Cultural cringe gone completely, stratospherically bonkers.
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Forcing someone not to wear something by banning it is probably just as bad as forcing them to wear it. It's the use of force that's the problem. Sometimes, even if you think it's for their own good. |
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| Quake42 Warrior Princess
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| Posted: 01-10-2013 17:01 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Forcing someone not to wear something by banning it is probably just as bad as forcing them to wear it. It's the use of force that's the problem. Sometimes, even if you think it's for their own good. |
Perhaps, but that's a rather different argument to the one I was shocked by which was your drawing some sort of equivalence between a burka and a tattoo or short skirt. |
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| Pietro_Mercurios Heuristically Challenged
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| Posted: 01-10-2013 18:56 Post subject: |
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| Quake42 wrote: | | Quote: | | Forcing someone not to wear something by banning it is probably just as bad as forcing them to wear it. It's the use of force that's the problem. Sometimes, even if you think it's for their own good. |
Perhaps, but that's a rather different argument to the one I was shocked by which was your drawing some sort of equivalence between a burka and a tattoo or short skirt. |
You don't see the cultural hypocrisy at the heart of the burka ban argument? |
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| OneWingedBird Great Old One Joined: 19 Nov 2012 Total posts: 542 Location: Attice of blinkey lights Age: 44 Gender: Female |
| Posted: 01-10-2013 19:39 Post subject: |
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| You may have to explain that Pietro, as I don't think I see it either, although admittedly i'd lean closer to a consenting adults view of islamic dress, even if we are getting towards the thinner end of the wedge of consent. |
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