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PostPosted: 28-12-2013 14:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

jimv1 wrote:

As for the the hidden door spotted by Bilbo.... Well it was kind of obvious being at the top of a gigantic dwarf carving on a mountain.


That part was daft: at that point they've been travelling for months (and well over four hours of screen time, when one includes the first part) to reach the hidden door, and yet ever single dwarf gives up and begins the trek back down the mountain after approximately three minutes of searching for the elusive keyhole. If I'd come through such life-threatening hardships and had all that I prized in the world on the other side of a wall, I think I might search a little longer - a couple of days at least - before heading back to Laketown for explosives or battering rams. And, of course, the wise and learned dwarves didn't put two and two together about the 'Last light of Durin's Day' being moonlight - it's utterly obvious to even a human sapling like myself.
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PostPosted: 28-12-2013 22:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

I watched it again with my best friend who is a huge tolkien fan and his 15 year old boy. i didnt say what i thought of the movie so they could form their own opinions . the 15 year old liked it, my friend was very disappointed and said it was more like pirates of the caribbean.


All the beauty and style of tolkiens creation has been turned into an empty action film, its all style and no depth, but the silly little boys sitting behind us seemed to enjoy it furious
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PostPosted: 03-01-2014 15:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

ramonmercado wrote:
A pastiche Trot review.

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The Desolation Of Smug : Film review by Sid Liddle
http://trotskydo.wordpress.com/2013/12/17/the-desolation-of-smug/

Where is the working class? That’s the question any self-respecting Trotskyist is left to ponder after sitting through this three-hour long melange of petit-bourgeois fantasy and crypto-fascist twaddle.

Designed to appeal to the kind of feckless student who might equally well fall for the theory of state capitalism, or indeed the notion that North Korea is a workers’ paradise, the implausible world “brought to life” on the big screen by union-busting film director Peter Jackson fails to convince the more discerning viewer on any level.

We are “transported” (rather like those British convicts who ended up in the Antipodean hell-hole where this was filmed) to a make-believe land where a gang of diminutive would-be entrepreneurs team up with a déclassé gentleman-thief and a cheap conjuror to rob some poor dragon of his pension.

They don’t get very far in this film, the second of three installments (heaven help us) based on a children’s story by arch-reactionary J.R.R.Toksvig, one of the notorious Cambridge “Ink Spots” and father of controversial gay television presenter Sandy.

The motley gang’s second outing sees them pursued by gremlins (who, like all Jackson’s villains, just happen to have working class accents), attacked by giant spiders, captured by woodland hairdressers and lightly toasted by the eponymous dragon.

“What have we done?” wails Bobbin at the end of the film, and Peter Jackson might well ask himself the same question. Despite the film’s painfully long running-time there is little sign of the real working class. No-one has a job, except for Bart, the self-employed boatman who looks primed to save the day in part three.

Like the smug kulaks who infest the “Shire” in the Lord of the Rings trilogy, this film looks to the most backward elements of the small proprietor/entrepreneur class to solve the crisis of Middle Earth. The message could hardly be plainer. Jackson’s film is a recruiting sergeant for the blackshirts.

Some might argue that I’m taking it all too seriously. After all, it’s only a film. What real harm can it do? Well, if you doubt the potentially disorienting impact this nonsense can have, just take a look at the pictures below. Here we have an experienced cadre of the Socialist Resistance group (Liquidationist/Mandelite), pictured on the left at a recent public event, and pictured over on the right just days after seeing the movie:

Before And After Smaug v2

Not a pretty sight is it? Faced with this sort of thing, we know what Trotsky would do. He’d encourage the comrades to go and see Battleship Potemkin again instead, that’s what!





There has been actual reviews that echo this opinion, Orcs being working class oiks, etc, Michael Moorcock springs to mind.

Liked the film although it dragged a bit after Lake Town.
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PostPosted: 03-01-2014 22:24    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can kind of see his point.

It's almost a pity the dragon didn't cook the little buggers.

Instead of monologing.
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PostPosted: 04-01-2014 10:21    Post subject: Reply with quote

As i remember it hobbits are based on Tolkien's experiences of the good ol tommy of the trenches, moaning , constantly thinking of food and drink but with an unbeatable reservoir of courage that sees them through.So they are very working class.

I have always looked at the hobbit from the view that smaug was the capitalist pig dog stealing the wealth of the hard working proles.


Anyway as some fascist pig dog oppressor said should before he kopped it, "if more of us valued food and friendship over hoarded gold, the world would be a happier place"
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PostPosted: 04-01-2014 10:34    Post subject: Reply with quote

OneWingedBird wrote:


It's almost a pity the dragon didn't cook the little buggers.

Instead of monologing.


Such an ugly word. Can't we go with soliloquising?
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PostPosted: 04-01-2014 11:34    Post subject: Reply with quote

theyithian wrote:
OneWingedBird wrote:


It's almost a pity the dragon didn't cook the little buggers.

Instead of monologing.


Such an ugly word. Can't we go with soliloquising?


Not really. A soliloquy would be Smaug talking to himself in an empty room.
(And I know all about that.)

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Soliloquy is sometimes wrongly used where monologue is meant. Both words refer to a long speech by one person, but a monologue can be addressed to other people, whereas in a soliloquy the speaker is always talking to himself or herself
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PostPosted: 04-01-2014 12:42    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair enough. Still an ugly word.
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PostPosted: 04-01-2014 12:46    Post subject: Reply with quote

i cant bring myself to watch 2 of 3 ... managed to avoid all three rings too so just left with school recollections of the ralph bakshi
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PostPosted: 04-01-2014 18:42    Post subject: Reply with quote

Read the expletive deleted books....
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PostPosted: 04-01-2014 19:15    Post subject: Reply with quote

who me ? i did ... but made the mistake of going to hobbit 1 of 3 at the imax when it broke ... fortean minion loved it and now pressures on to complete the set ...
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PostPosted: 04-01-2014 23:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Fair enough. Still an ugly word.


It's kind of an in joke after The Incredibles, which is where this trope got it's name from.

Generally involves bad guys who like the sound of their own voice banging on incessantly about how great and terribly clever they are (and often reveals details of their cunning plan) while giving the hero an opportunity to escape.

Can be funny when done by moustache twirling villains.

I just found it annoying when done by a humungous dragon that has abut a dozen opportunities to cook Bilbo and instead... is caught monologing!
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PostPosted: 19-01-2014 00:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

Imagine if you will, a parallel universe.

In that parallel universe someone NOT named Peter Jackson has made a faithful yet entertaining film adaptation of The Hobbit.

Studio marketing department commissions a tie in video game.

Tie in video game is a pretty standard linear platformer rip off of the good film.

A spotty 15 year old boy plays that game on the easiest settings, using only one or two of the various combat moves.

Spotty 15 year old records THREE WHOLE HOURS of his hack and slash gaming and puts it on YouTube.

THAT IS THE FILM PETER JACKSON HAS GIVEN US AND IT IS COMPLETE SHIT!

After watching that rubbish I have sworn never to watch a Peter Jackson film again. I would rather poke my eyes out with a blunt fork.
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PostPosted: 19-01-2014 10:16    Post subject: Reply with quote

I keep on telling everyone this; they do not listen.

(Anyhow, a video game would not have Radaghast in it....)
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PostPosted: 19-01-2014 12:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bet the videogame still wouldn't let you bypass the cutscene with the frigging monologing dragon. Laughing
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