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PostPosted: 12-06-2013 22:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't get it, how do they make a third film after that?
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PostPosted: 12-06-2013 23:09    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's the small matter of the Battle of the Five Armies and the Arkenstone.
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PostPosted: 12-06-2013 23:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then there's the final hour and a half of tearful farewells.
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PostPosted: 15-12-2013 09:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just returned from the 2D regular frame rate version, albeit in a luxury cinema.

There's plenty more for purists to fume about, but it's an entertaining film as far as I'm concerned. That said, I must say that not killing Smaug at the end of the film was a bit of a clanger; most of the audience in my screening were a little stunned at the non-ending ending. As with every other Jackson outing in Middle Earth, we clearly saw only the abbreviated version and must await the fully-realised special edition: Beorn was great, for instance, but present for only a fleeting blink of an eye relative to the extended waste of time in trying to drown the dragon in molten gold. I don't want to hammer those who haven't yet seen it you with a list of liberties taken with the original matter, but it's fair to say that it's the least true to the original stories so far. If that's likely to bother you, bothered you certainly will be; if you aren't familiar with or wedded to Tolkien's original vision, there's an awful lot to like.

Oh, an in case you didn't get enough of the goblin rollercoaster in the first part, there's a rerun here in river-borne barrels.

Did I mention a smoldering and as yet unrealised cross-racial romance? If I didn't, millions across the Internet are presently doing so.
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PostPosted: 15-12-2013 16:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark Kermode said it was a lot like watching someone play different levels of a computer game, so I'm hoping Thorin sits down and starts singing about gold.
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PostPosted: 16-12-2013 01:03    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately there's no singing at all in this one!

Also, when they find Beorn's house early on, I thought it's taken the movies over 3 hours to get here, while in the old Spectrum game you can get there in a couple of minutes!
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The importance good living and a healthy diet.

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Lack of preciousss vitamin made Gollum a loser
December 15th, 2013 in Other /

Think kindly of the dragon Smaug. Shed a tear for Gollum. And give an orc a hug.

If only they had tucked into the occasional quiche and salad or a touch of smoked salmon, or had a few sessions on a sunbed. How much kinder history would have been to them.

So suggests an offbeat study, released on Sunday, which concludes that the evil characters in J.R.R. Tolkien's "The Hobbit" lost their battle against men, elves and dwarves because they suffered from vitamin deficiency.

Shunning sunlight, surviving on a sketchy or unbalanced diet based on rotten meat or (in Gollum's case) the occasional blind fish, they lacked vitamin D, a key component for healthy bones and muscle strength.

The idea is proposed by Nicholas Hopkinson, a doctor at Imperial College London and his son Joseph, in the Christmas edition of the Medical Journal of Australia.

They scoured "The Hobbit" for references to characters' living conditions, habits and diet.

They used these clues to rate each character for levels of vitamin D, produced when the skin is exposed to ultraviolet light or derived from foods such as oily fish, egg yolks and cheese.

Bilbo Baggins, the hero of "The Hobbit," had a vitamin D-enriched life, they found.

True, Bilbo lived in a hole, but it had windows and he enjoyed sitting in the sun in his garden.

"The hobbit diet is clearly varied, as he is able to offer cake, tea, seed cake, ale, porter, red wine, raspberry jam, mince pies, cheese, pork pie, salad, cold chicken, pickles and apple tart to the dwarves who visit to engage him on the business of burglary," Imperial College said in a press release.

In contrast, the villains spend most of their time in darkness, and their diet is poor or single-sourced.

"Systematic textual analysis of 'The Hobbit' supports our initial hypothesis that the triumph of good over evil may be assisted to some extent by the poor diet and lack of sunlight experienced by the evil characters," the researchers conclude.

© 2013 AFP
"Lack of preciousss vitamin made Gollum a loser." December 15th, 2013. http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-12-lack-preciousss-vitamin-gollum-loser.html
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PostPosted: 16-12-2013 13:32    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure I like it. Could be a bit sharper, more threatening. Images at link, see what you think of it.

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The Woman Who Built the Lego Hogwarts Just Made a 200,000-Piece Rivendell
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BY DEVON MALONEY 12.14.136:30 AM

Alice Finch, best known as the woman who brought a more-or-less exact replica of Hogwarts to Emerald City Comicon in March, is back. This time, she teamed with fellow Lego architect David Frank and created an insane 10-foot-by-5-foot replica of Rivendell from J.R.R. Tolkein’s The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings that uses approximately 200,000 bricks — including Gungan shields dressed up as elvish windows, pieces of Boba Fett’s Slave I ship turned into the green siding of Arwen’s tower, and multiple Darth Vader Lego men in the role of the Nazgûl (!!). It’s brilliant.

“David built 12 baseplates, and I had 20 to do, so I had started earlier,” Finch told WIRED of the project, which she embarked on at the beginning of this year. Frank, she said, didn’t have to begin his share until July, “so for me, [it took] somewhere between 1,200 to 1,400 hours, give or take a few. If I had to guess, I’d say maybe 800 hours for David,” Finch said. Just to clarify, that’s somewhere between 83 and 91 full days of snapping together Legos.

The team independently worked their own sections of the elven outpost — Finch and Frank live about an hour away from one another in the Seattle area — while occasionally meeting up “to make sure our color schemes and roof patterns were staying aligned, building styles looked related but not the same, landscapes matched, and waterways and paths looked natural,” Finch told the Brothers Brick this week. They even had help from their respective sons; the pair told the Lego bloggers that Frank’s two boys did most of the water designs, while Finch’s sons, ages 5 and 10, contributed work on the trees, Nazgûl and dwarves.

Finch and Frank premiered their Rivendell earlier this year at the 2013 BrickCon in Seattle; if you missed it there, the pair will be exhibiting it at Portland’s Bricks Cascade convention March 6-9 and at Seattle’s Emerald City Comic Con March 28-30 (thanks to lessons learned from building Hogwarts, transport and reassembly are much easier this time around). Check out the finished product in the gallery above. Behold the vegetation and how the seasons change as you move from one end of the model to the other, and despair of your own Lego inadequacies.

Photos: Alice Finch/Flickr
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PostPosted: 16-12-2013 18:24    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So suggests an offbeat study, released on Sunday, which concludes that the evil characters in J.R.R. Tolkien's "The Hobbit" lost their battle against men, elves and dwarves because they suffered from vitamin deficiency.


Assuming they all had a human metabolism. Laughing Rather than one suited to their ecological niche. Laughing
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A pastiche Trot review.

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The Desolation Of Smug : Film review by Sid Liddle
http://trotskydo.wordpress.com/2013/12/17/the-desolation-of-smug/

Where is the working class? That’s the question any self-respecting Trotskyist is left to ponder after sitting through this three-hour long melange of petit-bourgeois fantasy and crypto-fascist twaddle.

Designed to appeal to the kind of feckless student who might equally well fall for the theory of state capitalism, or indeed the notion that North Korea is a workers’ paradise, the implausible world “brought to life” on the big screen by union-busting film director Peter Jackson fails to convince the more discerning viewer on any level.

We are “transported” (rather like those British convicts who ended up in the Antipodean hell-hole where this was filmed) to a make-believe land where a gang of diminutive would-be entrepreneurs team up with a déclassé gentleman-thief and a cheap conjuror to rob some poor dragon of his pension.

They don’t get very far in this film, the second of three installments (heaven help us) based on a children’s story by arch-reactionary J.R.R.Toksvig, one of the notorious Cambridge “Ink Spots” and father of controversial gay television presenter Sandy.

The motley gang’s second outing sees them pursued by gremlins (who, like all Jackson’s villains, just happen to have working class accents), attacked by giant spiders, captured by woodland hairdressers and lightly toasted by the eponymous dragon.

“What have we done?” wails Bobbin at the end of the film, and Peter Jackson might well ask himself the same question. Despite the film’s painfully long running-time there is little sign of the real working class. No-one has a job, except for Bart, the self-employed boatman who looks primed to save the day in part three.

Like the smug kulaks who infest the “Shire” in the Lord of the Rings trilogy, this film looks to the most backward elements of the small proprietor/entrepreneur class to solve the crisis of Middle Earth. The message could hardly be plainer. Jackson’s film is a recruiting sergeant for the blackshirts.

Some might argue that I’m taking it all too seriously. After all, it’s only a film. What real harm can it do? Well, if you doubt the potentially disorienting impact this nonsense can have, just take a look at the pictures below. Here we have an experienced cadre of the Socialist Resistance group (Liquidationist/Mandelite), pictured on the left at a recent public event, and pictured over on the right just days after seeing the movie:

Before And After Smaug v2

Not a pretty sight is it? Faced with this sort of thing, we know what Trotsky would do. He’d encourage the comrades to go and see Battleship Potemkin again instead, that’s what!
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PostPosted: 22-12-2013 17:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

watched it last night with a some of my Lotro kin.I have always defended jackson for the changes he made to lotr but i cant defend all the ridiculous changes he has made to the desolation of smaug.

All the movie set in lake town was wrong and when it came to the fight in the forges, where it turned into indiana jones and the lonely mountain, i would have got up and left if i hadnt been with other. This movie is where jackson decided he is a better story teller then Tolkien. He is wrong.
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PostPosted: 26-12-2013 17:02    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just got back from watching this in 3d and have to say I found it quite mind numbingly boring.

I could catch myself almost groaning out loud every time we came to the start of another action sequence that looked reverse engineered from the videogame.

Also Smaug monologing ffs Rolling Eyes That was just wrong.
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Watched this in 3D the other day. I enjoyed it as a one tends to enjoy these endurance epics. And there is an endurance aspect to this film. Right at the start you see Jackson leaving an Inn and crossing the frame in Hitchcock style. After that, everything bumbles along setting up an overblown and slightly overlong set piece. I've read LOTR but not the Hobbit so I don't know how faithful it is to the original story but this could have done with a sharper edit.

Also... I don't know whether it was a frame rate issue but the faster movements seemed juddery to me at the beginning.

As for the the hidden door spotted by Bilbo.... Well it was kind of obvious being at the top of a gigantic dwarf carving on a mountain.

It was good to see some Elven Ninja action again. Where do they get all the arrows from?


But these are niggles. If we hadn't already been spoiled by the excellent achievement of the LOTR trilogy, we'd be looking at this as an astonishing and groundbreaking film so it seems churlish to complain when Jackson's turning out quality adaptations of the works. it'll be a long time before someone has the confidence to do a remake of these.
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PostPosted: 28-12-2013 09:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does Smaug monolgue in the book? It's been a while...
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PostPosted: 28-12-2013 13:09    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haven't seen this yet, but yesterday we did the epic LOTR Extended Edition Blu-ray marathon.

All eleven-and-a-half hours, straight through - OK, OK, we had a 30 minute break for Christmas University Challenge.

Well worth watching all in one hit like that, everything made sense! Soppy crying Hobbits grated after the first three hours or so but apart from that I loved it. I've seen them all individually but this worked so much better.

Recommended if you've got half a day to kill (and lots of alcohol and munch).
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