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Posted: 14-03-2013 11:35 Post subject:

I thought I had better post the Jean Hill observations whilst it was still relatively clear in my head.
Thanks for the above post, obviously it's a long read and a lot of information to try to understand, but much appreciated.
All the best.

Posted: 19-03-2013 21:44 Post subject:

This may make me sound pretty stupid but I think I remember reading the Warren commission report and It said a couple of things that stuck with me if anybody can confirm them and tell me how they were explained away I would be glad.

That there were people who saw the assassin shooting a rifle from the window but could not identify Oswald as the shooter.

That the police responding to shots fired immediately ran past Oswald on the floor below getting a drink from a machine alongside other people.

Posted: 20-03-2013 11:41 Post subject:

I do a lot of my reading on the Mary Ferrell website,which in this case leads to an interactive Dealy Plaza link, which shows the location of 216 witnesses,and a brief summary of what they saw/heard etc, although it can be confirmed by clicking on their original FBI/Dallas police statement.
In the case of Seth Kantor for instance the WC simply concluded he was mistaken, somewhat incredibly in my opinion, but there you go.
I am plodding through it anyway,so I will have a look, my initial impression is that there seems to be a consensus amongst those in an 'official' capacity that there were only three shots and they came from the TBSD or that direction.
It's those pesky civilian witnesses who insist shots came from the knoll, or the direction of the underpass, but hearing the shots does undeniably depend on where you were standing, the acoustics of Dealy Plaza perhaps being misleading.

Posted: 20-03-2013 12:19 Post subject:

Has anybody actually done acoustic tests in dealey plaza to see if you can hear shots from the book depositary grassy knoll etc. You would think the hundreds of tv shows it would have been checked somewhere.

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Posted: 21-03-2013 14:06 Post subject:

i hate to admit it, but

there are 4 shots very clearly heard on the Police bikes recording...

none of them sound like a backfire on a car ....

and it is easy to tell they come from different directions...

Posted: 21-03-2013 18:04 Post subject:

You have better ears than me, then, because it just sounds like static.

Posted: 22-03-2013 13:15 Post subject:

Victoria Adams WC testimony is worth a read.
She was standing at the fourth floor 3rd double window along with Sandra Styles,Elsie Dorman,and Dorothy Garner.
She thought the shots came from the right of the TBSD rather than from the left and above.
She said she and Styles left the window and went down the stairs, the only egress from the 6th floor,which would have to have been used by Oswald,and she said she neither saw or heard anybody else coming down the stairs.
This part of her testimony is the subject of much discussion and theorising as it meant Oswald must have got to the second fllor lunchroom after Adams but before Roy Truly and Marrion Baker who was the motorcycle policeman who saw Oswald in the lunchroom (and had a gun on him) before Roy Truly, a foreman at the TBSD confirmed Oswald was an employee.
What was interesting for me though was she was another possible Ruby witness, along with Jean Hill who thought she saw someone running from the TBSD towards the railroad tracks who resembled Ruby, and Seth Kantor (who knew Ruby) and Wilma Tice at Parkland Hospital.

Posted: 22-03-2013 14:07 Post subject:

well i guess if it was a Mauser and not that italian rifle then there would have been fragments of the bullets from it.....they are 7.65 calibre bigger than other rifle ?

if they found fragments from like that at Dealy and the three officers that said they had found a Mauser

then i guess it must have been a mauser

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Posted: 23-03-2013 09:30 Post subject:

Agreed, there seems to be Ruby's all over the place.
Adams identified Ruby after seeing him on tv, she said a man standing on the corner of Houston and Elm dressed in a suit and hat was "asking questions very efficaciously"
Firstly, kudos on the use of the word efficacious, but I wonder if she meant effusively? having read Ruby's testimony to the WC it sounds like him Very Happy

Posted: 25-03-2013 17:26 Post subject:

Royce Skelton (railroad overpass) described hearing four shots in his Dallas Sheriff's office affadavit.
He's important because originally he saw two shots hit the road and pavement,the latter shot perhaps accounting for the injury to James Teague,struck on the cheek by a piece of concrete kerb.
By 8th March 1964,in his WC deposition he said he 'thought' he heard four.
Opinion is subjective of course,but it seems to me that investigator Mr Ball showed a remarkable lack of interest in this information, in fact he had finished taking Skeltons deposition when Skelton mentioned it may confirm the case for Oswald being the shooter and then it's "Wait a minute,let me ask some questions about that'
In best Fortean tradition I have tried to understand this strange line of questioning (what was the business with the pigeons?) but I can understand the opinion of those who say the WC was working to a predetermined conclusion.
All the best.

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Posted: 27-03-2013 14:27 Post subject:

Thanks for the info, I'm not sure why that question was asked either,unless it's 'if you didn't see the pigeons,how can we trust you saw the shots?'
I don't know,I find the line of questioning in a lot of testimony to be (deliberately?) confusing.
Onwards, so far I haven't been able been able to find a single witness other than perhaps Lee Bowers who saw 'Badgeman' or anyone like him on the grassy knoll, the Mary Moorman picture being parolieda perhaps.
Oddly another still,on youtube shows the sixth floor windows,and again analysis shows,or appears to, another man at the next window along.
The problem for conspiracy sceptics is that it's probably quite easy to use a photograph taken at the time and blow it up until a 'face' can be discerned,but of course that would lead to the conspiracy theorists claiming there was someone else there! Very Happy

All the best.