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Fizz32 Dragon Breeder
Great Old One Joined: 18 Oct 2005 Total posts: 400 Location: Just Off Topic Gender: Female |
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| Me too, it gave me the shivers. |
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| CarlosTheDJ Dazed and confused for so long its not true
Great Old One Joined: 01 Feb 2007 Total posts: 1927 Location: Sussex Age: 37 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 23-03-2007 15:26 Post subject: |
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| Yeah...that's a PROPER ghost story...more of them please chaps. |
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| kmossel Give in
Yeti Joined: 14 Dec 2006 Total posts: 94 Location: San Francisco Gender: Male |
| Posted: 25-03-2007 03:00 Post subject: |
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| LordRsmacker Great Old One Joined: 01 May 2006 Total posts: 490 Location: Warwicks. Gender: Male |
| Posted: 26-03-2007 12:52 Post subject: |
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| gazzo10 wrote: | | Eventually our young female doctor reached the ward where the closing stages of the cardiac arrest had taken place, only to sadly witness the emergency equitpment being taken off the patient who had suffered her last breath. |
Bloody hell, how long did it take her to get to the ward, or did she stop off for lunch? Surely if it's worth beeping the quacks to come and save the old girl it's worth a proper go at it? Or do they just wheel the crash kit in, give it one pop, then say, "Naah, she's croaked, sign the book".
NHS cuts eh, tsssk!
Or maybe just a dismal story?
Cynical? Moi? |
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| luvpixie small green pointy friend
Yeti Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Total posts: 68 Location: The beautiful green planet of luv! Gender: Female |
| Posted: 26-03-2007 13:40 Post subject: |
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Lordy!
Cynical maybe.
Rude definately.
It was a sad but interesting story.
Poor old lady.  |
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| gazzo10 The Blindwatchmaker
Yeti Joined: 11 Jul 2006 Total posts: 41 Location: yorks Age: 53 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 27-03-2007 00:45 Post subject: |
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| LordRsmacker wrote: | | gazzo10 wrote: | | Eventually our young female doctor reached the ward where the closing stages of the cardiac arrest had taken place, only to sadly witness the emergency equitpment being taken off the patient who had suffered her last breath. |
Bloody hell, how long did it take her to get to the ward, or did she stop off for lunch? Surely if it's worth beeping the quacks to come and save the old girl it's worth a proper go at it? Or do they just wheel the crash kit in, give it one pop, then say, "Naah, she's croaked, sign the book".
NHS cuts eh, tsssk!
Or maybe just a dismal story?
Cynical? Moi? |
Well you obviously have little hospital experience,go see some real hospitals and stop watching casualty! I work for a medical unit and medical units are spread all over a hospital, that has it's own bus service in order to get patient relatives and staff about. I admire doctors who constantly have to run from one end of the hospital to the other in order to see to a variety of cardiac arrests.(Please dont assume that doctors are waiting around on every ward for someone to have a cardiac arrest) Let me give you an example, as a nurse i sometimes have to transfer a patient on a bed from the admissions unit were i work, to a medical ward. this can take me literally 30 mins to and fro at fast pace (Porters dont piss about when they have a million other patients to see to) the hospital where i am based was once descibed as being the 4th biggest in europe. If thats the only criticism of the story I have told then I will gladly show you around its sheer size. I am constantly having to redirect not only patients but also relatives, even doctors to their destination. As for the story maybe you should be introduced to the several scientifically educated previously sceptical (one of whom a consultant) doctors on the scene. or maybe as a sceptic you should retain your criticisms before you know the full facts. (i'm a sceptic, but certainly would not blab off the moment something does not appear right with my viewpoint, otherwise i could just say einstein was full of crap the moment i read the first page! |
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| dan_uid0 Yeti Joined: 18 Oct 2005 Total posts: 32 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 27-03-2007 10:17 Post subject: |
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| rynner wrote: | er [waves feebly] i'm still here, after a couple of nights in hospital.
nothing definitely weird to report , but quite a few misperceptions.
like things seen moving (floaters in my eye), and odd echos from various monitors, where clatter clatter came from one place while beep beep! came from another! |
Should such masters of the fiddled funny noise and dodgy seance like "Most Haunted" ever be short of a place to investigate, they could always come round my place.
I live in a century-old terraced house, which prior to my arrival was a bit damp. Since I moved in, fixed the central heating and stuck a dehumidifier in the cellar, the place has slowly dried out and more and more creaks, groans and thermal knocks and whatnot have arrived to take up residence.
Conduct a spot of table-tapping in my house, and you won't just get the odd yes/no but a few new Shakespearian plays; any ghost would probably be best off sending me an email rather than try to get a bump in edgeways... |
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| _Lizard23_ In love with the
Great Old One Joined: 23 Aug 2001 Total posts: 1914 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 27-03-2007 10:42 Post subject: |
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| gazzo10 wrote: | | LordRsmacker wrote: | | gazzo10 wrote: | | Eventually our young female doctor reached the ward where the closing stages of the cardiac arrest had taken place, only to sadly witness the emergency equitpment being taken off the patient who had suffered her last breath. |
Bloody hell, how long did it take her to get to the ward, or did she stop off for lunch? Surely if it's worth beeping the quacks to come and save the old girl it's worth a proper go at it? Or do they just wheel the crash kit in, give it one pop, then say, "Naah, she's croaked, sign the book".
NHS cuts eh, tsssk!
Or maybe just a dismal story?
Cynical? Moi? |
Well you obviously have little hospital experience,go see some real hospitals and stop watching casualty! I work for a medical unit and medical units are spread all over a hospital, that has it's own bus service in order to get patient relatives and staff about. I admire doctors who constantly have to run from one end of the hospital to the other in order to see to a variety of cardiac arrests.(Please dont assume that doctors are waiting around on every ward for someone to have a cardiac arrest) Let me give you an example, as a nurse i sometimes have to transfer a patient on a bed from the admissions unit were i work, to a medical ward. this can take me literally 30 mins to and fro at fast pace (Porters dont piss about when they have a million other patients to see to) the hospital where i am based was once descibed as being the 4th biggest in europe. If thats the only criticism of the story I have told then I will gladly show you around its sheer size. I am constantly having to redirect not only patients but also relatives, even doctors to their destination. As for the story maybe you should be introduced to the several scientifically educated previously sceptical (one of whom a consultant) doctors on the scene. or maybe as a sceptic you should retain your criticisms before you know the full facts. (i'm a sceptic, but certainly would not blab off the moment something does not appear right with my viewpoint, otherwise i could just say einstein was full of crap the moment i read the first page! |
To be honest, though, if the 'young female doctor' was in a group of people responding to the crash call, and the ones who didn't stop were the ones treating the old dear, then the female doctor must have hung around a fair while looking at the apparition, or else the rest of the crew didn't spend long trying to rescusitate her .... this would be how I interpret LordRsmacker's criticism. Irrespective of how long it took to get there, they were all together up to the point when one stopped to 'help' the ghostie, by your own account.
Still, it's a nice story. Although as crisis apparitions go it is a bit of a nonsensical one - the woman projected to distract people from saving her life by pleading for help?  |
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| akaWiintermoon Great Old One Joined: 04 Jan 2002 Total posts: 994 Location: Southampton, Hampshire, UK. Age: 39 Gender: Female |
| Posted: 27-03-2007 13:18 Post subject: |
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| _Lizard23_ wrote: | | Still, it's a nice story. Although as crisis apparitions go it is a bit of a nonsensical one - the woman projected to distract people from saving her life by pleading for help? |
I dunno, if you're in hospital, scared and in pain, who do you want most? A doctor!
Perhaps, if it did happen, the lady had no control over where she projected herself? She obviously didn't know she was doing it, otherwise surely she would have given direction? |
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| gazzo10 The Blindwatchmaker
Yeti Joined: 11 Jul 2006 Total posts: 41 Location: yorks Age: 53 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 27-03-2007 23:56 Post subject: |
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| _Lizard23_ wrote: | | gazzo10 wrote: | | LordRsmacker wrote: | | gazzo10 wrote: | | Eventually our young female doctor reached the ward where the closing stages of the cardiac arrest had taken place, only to sadly witness the emergency equitpment being taken off the patient who had suffered her last breath. |
Bloody hell, how long did it take her to get to the ward, or did she stop off for lunch? Surely if it's worth beeping the quacks to come and save the old girl it's worth a proper go at it? Or do they just wheel the crash kit in, give it one pop, then say, "Naah, she's croaked, sign the book".
NHS cuts eh, tsssk!
Or maybe just a dismal story?
Cynical? Moi? |
Well you obviously have little hospital experience,go see some real hospitals and stop watching casualty! I work for a medical unit and medical units are spread all over a hospital, that has it's own bus service in order to get patient relatives and staff about. I admire doctors who constantly have to run from one end of the hospital to the other in order to see to a variety of cardiac arrests.(Please dont assume that doctors are waiting around on every ward for someone to have a cardiac arrest) Let me give you an example, as a nurse i sometimes have to transfer a patient on a bed from the admissions unit were i work, to a medical ward. this can take me literally 30 mins to and fro at fast pace (Porters dont piss about when they have a million other patients to see to) the hospital where i am based was once descibed as being the 4th biggest in europe. If thats the only criticism of the story I have told then I will gladly show you around its sheer size. I am constantly having to redirect not only patients but also relatives, even doctors to their destination. As for the story maybe you should be introduced to the several scientifically educated previously sceptical (one of whom a consultant) doctors on the scene. or maybe as a sceptic you should retain your criticisms before you know the full facts. (i'm a sceptic, but certainly would not blab off the moment something does not appear right with my viewpoint, otherwise i could just say einstein was full of crap the moment i read the first page! |
To be honest, though, if the 'young female doctor' was in a group of people responding to the crash call, and the ones who didn't stop were the ones treating the old dear, then the female doctor must have hung around a fair while looking at the apparition, or else the rest of the crew didn't spend long trying to rescusitate her .... this would be how I interpret LordRsmacker's criticism. Irrespective of how long it took to get there, they were all together up to the point when one stopped to 'help' the ghostie, by your own account.
Still, it's a nice story. Although as crisis apparitions go it is a bit of a nonsensical one - the woman projected to distract people from saving her life by pleading for help? |
Interesting point which I agree poses a diificult dilemma (If that was the original criticism and not the time it took for doctors to reach their original destination) However crisis apparitions can happen as far as I have read whether the person concerned (apparition) is dead or alive, to an audience (in this case doctors) who are aware or unaware of the person concerned. Finally besides the obvious assumption that we are talking about a spirit that is trying to convey a badly timed message about the general deterioration of it's own mortal anatomy. Maybe crisis apparitions are telepathic events.conveyed in a way that the person conveying is totally unaware? However maybe I am defending the story too far, and this could have been a case of mistaken identity (Maybe all old people look alike?) we can either dismiss stories like this out of hand, or give them the credence of investigation, I except the fact that human error (even amongst scientific people can occur) But I feel that scepticism serves no purpose unless it gets mucked in, rather than just offering possible alternatives, even psychic mediums can do that. |
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| rynner Location: Still above sea level Gender: Male |
| Posted: 28-03-2007 07:05 Post subject: |
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The idea that crisis apparitions are somehow broadcast by a mind in extremis, and detected by those who are sensitive to them, suggests that there should be examples of multiple apparitions.
So, for the old woman dying, a doctor elsewhere in the hospital might pick up this broadcast, at the same time that some close relatives do.
Are there any known instances of more than one crisis apparition relating to the same event?
Or does the stressed mind somehow target one particular receiver, for whatever reason? |
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| mindalai spinster of this parish
Great Old One Joined: 27 Aug 2005 Total posts: 1739 Location: on the shelf Age: 37 Gender: Female |
| Posted: 29-03-2007 20:43 Post subject: Re: Witnessing souls leaving the dearly departed |
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| jandzmom wrote: | My best friends is a surgical and intensive care nurse here in the US. She's told me that she's witnessed souls leaving the dearly departed.
One particular instance was witnessed by multiple nurses, doctors, and family members: the death of a popular local church pastor.
According to my friend, the pastor knew he was dying, and was at peace with it. His family, friends and parishioners came to visit, and he was surrounded by love. He lost consciousness, and was in deep coma. Per his wishes, his family asked that he be disconnected from life support. He smiled a radiant smile and passed; within seconds everyone in the room witnessed a white cloudy mist leave his chest and wind it's way up towards the ceiling and seemingly disappear.
Everyone in the room looked at each other in amazement; there was a lot of "Did you see that?" and "Did I see what I thought I saw?" Being that this was her patient, my friend documented his passing in the medical records, as well as what happened afterwards. The attending physician signed it. |
I just thought of this thread because I saw something similar yesterday. I was escorting a very sick patient for a scan and because I was away from the ward (and any immediate medical support) and he was unwell enough that he could have died at any moment I didn't take my eyes off his face for a second. He was barely conscious and as I watched him I saw a cloud of thick mist rise from his face. It looked more like smoke than the condensation of his breath but it dissipated and rose very quickly. It didn't happen with any of his subsequent breaths (believe me, I was watching for it). I am certain that it wasn't anything supernatural - it was a definitely something physically present. I've seen similar "thick breaths" (sorry, I can't think of a better word for it and that's how I always think of it) coming from people who have a lot of secretions in the throat that they can't swallow normally (as often happens with very unwell people). My theory is that it's just condensation from breath that is more moist than usual. |
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| gazzo10 The Blindwatchmaker
Yeti Joined: 11 Jul 2006 Total posts: 41 Location: yorks Age: 53 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 29-03-2007 23:31 Post subject: |
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| rynner wrote: | The idea that crisis apparitions are somehow broadcast by a mind in extremis, and detected by those who are sensitive to them, suggests that there should be examples of multiple apparitions.
So, for the old woman dying, a doctor elsewhere in the hospital might pick up this broadcast, at the same time that some close relatives do.
Are there any known instances of more than one crisis apparition relating to the same event?
Or does the stressed mind somehow target one particular receiver, for whatever reason? |
There is the psychological option, perhaps the doctors were already aware of the failing condition of the patient undergoing a cardiac arrest, from an earlier or previous ward round? and their subconcious created this scenerio, when they heared their bleeps go off for the cardiac arrest warnings (Which stipulates the ward the arrest is occuring) they 'subconciously' already knew which patient was most likely to be the victim of this circumstance! the subconcious then plays out it's role. Bits of evidence are that doctors work in teams, so the same 'team' of a consultant, will be aware of a patients condition, hence the shared apparition or hallucination or whatever you want to call it. Stress does play a part of hallucinations read the 'Story Of Ruth', by Albert swartzman. think thats his name brill book.however not ruling out a paranormal explanation here, or more likely as Richard Dawkins would term; a perinormal experience (One that is unexplained by science at the moment but will be explained by science in the future)
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| gazzo10 The Blindwatchmaker
Yeti Joined: 11 Jul 2006 Total posts: 41 Location: yorks Age: 53 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 29-03-2007 23:40 Post subject: |
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| rynner wrote: | The idea that crisis apparitions are somehow broadcast by a mind in extremis, and detected by those who are sensitive to them, suggests that there should be examples of multiple apparitions.
So, for the old woman dying, a doctor elsewhere in the hospital might pick up this broadcast, at the same time that some close relatives do.
Are there any known instances of more than one crisis apparition relating to the same event?
Or does the stressed mind somehow target one particular receiver, for whatever reason? |
Very interesting, I remember reading somewhere that during death bed vigils, that some people, (whether relatives or not) somehow endured or experience the same dream like or out of body experiences as the person who was dying,whether this was measured by the fact that person who was dying survived or not I cannot recall. but will try find the info or thread, maybe someone else can help. Also this may be connected in some way to recordings of people in close proximity having the same dream. A book was written about this phenomena which I have been trying to get my hands on for years, can anybody help? |
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| escargot1 Joined: 24 Aug 2001 Total posts: 17896 Location: Farkham Hall Age: 4 Gender: Female |
| Posted: 30-03-2007 08:10 Post subject: |
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We'll need a few clues to help you find the book! 
Hey Minda, I wonder if the 'thick breath' is in the med lit anywhere?
And how could breath be seen, unless the air was cold?
One day recently I video'd my dog fooling around in the woods. When I watched the video, I noticed that his breath could be seen clearly, although I hadn't noticed that at the time and was actually enjoying the warm spring weather.
If I'd breathed over the camera I'd have seen my own breath, which might have looked anomalous.
Hmm, s'a funny thing, breath. |
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