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Zilch5 Vogon Poet
Great Old One Joined: 08 Nov 2007 Total posts: 1527 Location: Western Sydney, Australia Gender: Male |
 Posted: 03-08-2010 00:52 Post subject: |
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Not only have I seen the "German Tourist" photo - I've tracked down a copy of one (sssshhh - it's not supposed to be on the net...)
A bit of background info first:
| Quote: | Even this newspaper cannot say beyond a doubt that the pictures are of a live animal. The Herald and its sister paper, The Age, ran extensive tests on the pictures after being offered them three weeks ago. These included an examination by thylacine experts and an independent photographic specialist but the results did not conclusively show a live tiger, and we declined to buy the pictures.
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The tourist took them on February 3 while driving through Tasmania's rugged central highlands with his girlfriend.
As evening approached they turned off the main road, and found somewhere to park for the night. He grabbed a bottle, put his camera bag around his neck, and set out looking for water. Not far into the bush he spotted a striped animal.
As the animal approached, he snapped twice. It then vanished and he he dashed back to tell his girlfriend. They returned to the spot but the creature was nowhere to be found.
The man's brother, who lives in Victoria, arranged through a journalist on The Age to show the pictures to Mr Mooney and Mr Bleathman.
"One," Mr Bleathman said later, "was very badly out of focus." The other, also blurred, revealed an animal partially obscured behind a log, 15 or 20 metres away. But a tail, and those distinctive stripes were clearly visible in the frame.
He described the thylacine evidence as "inconclusive", but cautiously added that without analysis from photographic experts "we can't rule it out". |
Nick Mooney of the Tasmanian Parks saw the original images (remember, these are scans of newspaper clippings of intentionally modified versions of the originals) and said they obviously showed a thylacine. As far as I know, the originals are only to be seen in Issue 4/2006 in the Swiss Magazine "mysteries". Might have to track that down somehow.
So far, so inconclusive. And tada - here it is:
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x74/nebcoll/tastiger_wideweb__430x243.jpg
A longer discussion and some actual input from the guy who took the shots is here:
http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/thylacine-photos/ |
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| oldrover Great Old One Joined: 18 Oct 2009 Total posts: 2146 Location: Wales Gender: Male |
| Posted: 03-08-2010 18:17 Post subject: |
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Well done Zilch, really well done, I looked for ages but couldn't find anything. I'm very grateful for that.
Predictably though the photos don't show any more than Cameron's or the other one through the grass. But again though its the back story that lets it down for me, firstly that two Germans in the internet age are going to visit Tasmania without having heard of the Thylacine, I don't know if you could check this in German Zilch, but in English the second result for Tasmania, wiki, has an article on it. Secondly that if they were genuine they wouldn't be hanging on to them or arseing about with Swiss mystery mags or demanding 400 Euros from cryptomudo, (make sure you check your PM's there  )), to me it doesn't make sense.
The photo that still needs looking at though is the one shown on TV here once of the paws of a Thylacine, supposedly shot in apr 1995, showing elongated plantar pads on the rear and five digits on the front, now if you can find that one, that would be bloody miraculous.
Just in case anyone's interested here is one of the Cameron photos-
http://wherelightmeetsdark.com/index.php?module=wiki&page=CameronThylacine |
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| Zilch5 Vogon Poet
Great Old One Joined: 08 Nov 2007 Total posts: 1527 Location: Western Sydney, Australia Gender: Male |
| Posted: 03-08-2010 22:58 Post subject: |
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| oldrover wrote: | | But again though its the back story that lets it down for me, firstly that two Germans in the internet age are going to visit Tasmania without having heard of the Thylacine, I don't know if you could check this in German Zilch, but in English the second result for Tasmania, wiki, has an article on it. Secondly that if they were genuine they wouldn't be hanging on to them or arseing about with Swiss mystery mags or demanding 400 Euros from cryptomudo, (make sure you check your PM's there )), to me it doesn't make sense. |
That may be a fair point, but for example, when my brother visited me here, he wanted to drive to the Outback for the afternoon.  Now, he's a smart man, runs his own business and has more money than I ever will. But the reality of the size of this place simply hadn't hit him. The money question - well, that's a different one. But Mr Emmerich flew back twice to Tasmania paying for the trips himself. Whatever that Swiss mag paid him, I'm sure it wouldsn't have covered the cost of the trip.
And a last point - they didn't originally plan to come to Australia, but had to cancel a trip somewhere else because of the tsunami. So they decided to visit his brother in Australia, who suggested the trip to Tasmania. And the German Wiki page makes one brief mention of the "Beutelwolf" on the Tasmania page.
It's all a bit odd - yes, but not altohether implausible. I'll check to other link when I have a bit more time. |
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| Fluttermoth Mrs Treguard
Great Old One Joined: 05 Feb 2008 Total posts: 398 Location: Cornwall, GB Age: 43 Gender: Female |
| Posted: 04-08-2010 13:06 Post subject: |
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I'm in no way a Thylacine expert, but that photo doesn't look 'right' to me...the colour looks too orange and tigerish, the coat seems too smooth.
Doesn't the angle it's got its head at seem suspiciously similar to some of the last Thylacine footage?
Edit; Just went a looked at some Thylacine footage, here; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odswge5onwY (you may want to mute the sound ) and it seems they did chuck their heads up at that angle a lot...I don't know what that means in relation to the pic  |
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| Zilch5 Vogon Poet
Great Old One Joined: 08 Nov 2007 Total posts: 1527 Location: Western Sydney, Australia Gender: Male |
| Posted: 04-08-2010 13:46 Post subject: |
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Ok, one more time for those who aren't familiar with the history of that shot:
What you are seeing here is a heavily edited, cropped and high-lighted scan of a print of the "original" picture. As such - it is useless as "proof" of anything.
With so many other sightings of odd phenomena the story rests on the credibility of the witnesses. I'm not here or there on this one, but will give them the benefit of the doubt. They may have tried to milk it for some money - but heck, can you really blame them? |
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| Zilch5 Vogon Poet
Great Old One Joined: 08 Nov 2007 Total posts: 1527 Location: Western Sydney, Australia Gender: Male |
| Posted: 04-08-2010 14:01 Post subject: |
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| Fluttermoth wrote: | I'm in no way a Thylacine expert, but that photo doesn't look 'right' to me...the colour looks too orange and tigerish, the coat seems too smooth.
Doesn't the angle it's got its head at seem suspiciously similar to some of the last Thylacine footage? |
Please don't take this as a personal attack, but this is one thing that has bugged me for a long time. It looks "suspiciously " like a real Thylacine? Well, perhaps because it is one? You can use that argument both ways... What other than a Thylacine would you expect it to look like?
As i had explained above, this is a heavily edited scan of a picture - the original looks nothing like it. In fact, without digital enhancement, you can't see anything much at all. That explains the weird colours. |
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| Fluttermoth Mrs Treguard
Great Old One Joined: 05 Feb 2008 Total posts: 398 Location: Cornwall, GB Age: 43 Gender: Female |
| Posted: 04-08-2010 14:30 Post subject: |
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| Zilch5 wrote: | | Fluttermoth wrote: | I'm in no way a Thylacine expert, but that photo doesn't look 'right' to me...the colour looks too orange and tigerish, the coat seems too smooth.
Doesn't the angle it's got its head at seem suspiciously similar to some of the last Thylacine footage? |
Please don't take this as a personal attack, but this is one thing that has bugged me for a long time. It looks "suspiciously " like a real Thylacine? Well, perhaps because it is one? You can use that argument both ways... What other than a Thylacine would you expect it to look like?
As i had explained above, this is a heavily edited scan of a picture - the original looks nothing like it. In fact, without digital enhancement, you can't see anything much at all. That explains the weird colours. |
That's ok mate; I don't take things personally very often 
I didn't realise the mods to that pic would alter the colour so much.
To clarify, the only reason I mentioned the angle of the head was because I was wondering if it might be some sort of screen shot from the old footage; now I've gone back and watched the footage properly, seems like it was a common behaviour for Thylacines, so the point sort of dissapeared...
Not unusual happening in my hypotheses |
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| zenrat 23rd in line for the bus
Grey Joined: 21 Apr 2010 Total posts: 18 Location: Mornington Peninsula, Australia Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 19-08-2010 00:30 Post subject: Sighting in 2000? |
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7th April 2000 (definate as it was the day before my wedding) I was walking on Flinders Beach on the Mornington Peninsula here in Victoria when I saw at a distance of maybe 100 to 200m a greyhound like creature with striped hindquarters and a long head. I had my camera round my neck but as soon as I raised it to take a pic the creature saw the movement and vanished. I Can't remember how it moved. Certainly not in any way that struck me as un-doglike.
I was with a friend but he didn't see it. I commented to him at the time that I was 50% convinced it was a Thylacine but that it could also have been a mangy greyhound.
I was at the time an avid reader of Fortean Times and was aware of reported Thylacine sightings so that may have coloured my interpretation of what I saw. |
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| lordmongrove Great Old One Joined: 30 May 2009 Total posts: 865 Location: Exeter Age: 43 Gender: Male |
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| oldrover Great Old One Joined: 18 Oct 2009 Total posts: 2146 Location: Wales Gender: Male |
| Posted: 17-04-2012 19:32 Post subject: |
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I've tried to reply to this as well, but didn't get through. I'm not impressed by the mainland sighting but the Tasmanian one is really interesting.
As I've said before I don't hold out any hope now, but any sort of history is really valuable.
I've just realised this is the poor sod whose wife went missing isn't it. |
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| lordmongrove Great Old One Joined: 30 May 2009 Total posts: 865 Location: Exeter Age: 43 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 18-04-2012 01:38 Post subject: |
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| Yep that's him. Lovely bloke too. |
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| Quake42 Warrior Princess
Great Old One Joined: 25 Feb 2004 Total posts: 5310 Location: Over Silbury Hill, through the Solar field Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 18-04-2012 14:06 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | As I've said before I don't hold out any hope now, but any sort of history is really valuable. |
I really don't know why you're so pessimistic about the possibility of thylacine survival. Much of Tasmania is incredibly remote and rugged, there is plenty of space and the thylacine was/is not a large animal. It's definitelty one of the most likely crytpids IMO. |
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| oldrover Great Old One Joined: 18 Oct 2009 Total posts: 2146 Location: Wales Gender: Male |
| Posted: 18-04-2012 15:10 Post subject: |
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Well it's the complete lack of thylacines that worries me more than anything else.
They may not have been large animals but they were the apex predator there and there's good evidence to suggest that they used large ranges. Large ranges which are now considered to be too fragmented.
There's a chance but it's very, very small. |
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| lordmongrove Great Old One Joined: 30 May 2009 Total posts: 865 Location: Exeter Age: 43 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 20-04-2012 13:04 Post subject: |
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The Arabian leopard was thought to be extinct for donkey years till one of them strolled into a the suburbs of a city a few years back.
When they went out to film the snow leopard it took about 6 years for them to track one down and film it. That's 6 years in the field.
Animals can adapt far more than we give them credit for. |
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| amyasleigh Great Old One Joined: 03 Nov 2009 Total posts: 381 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 20-04-2012 20:08 Post subject: |
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lordmongrove's post above, gives pause for thought -- but I very much feel "in synch" with oldrover on the subject of the thylacine: whilst I would totally love for the species to be hiding out and still living in Tasmania, virtually everything heard in recent years suggests to me that that is vanishingly unlikely.
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I really don't know why you're so pessimistic about the possibility of thylacine survival. Much of Tasmania is incredibly remote and rugged, there is plenty of space... |
And lordmongrove writes on the concurrent "thylacines" thread: "there are parts of Tasmania where the maps say 'insufficient data'."
Overall, a proposition which I'd wish to feel more able to buy. The perception borne in on me, is that Tasmania is really pretty tiny: a basic triangle 350 by 350 by 300 km., the large-ish majority of that area, settled and tamed. And (a matter which I mentioned on another thread here, "On the Track of the Tasmanian Wolf"): I come across indications -- largely from one particular book, but reinforced elsewhere -- that intensive logging is going on in the wild, forested parts of the island, with commercial pressures and interests resulting in the protected-ness of on-paper protected areas, being in some doubt.
Two sides to that coin can be envisaged: destruction of the thylacine's putative last refuges (and oldrover writes on this thread, "there's good evidence to suggest that they used large ranges...which are now considered to be too fragmented") -- no more habitat, no more thylacines. Or, might this havoc not result in the actual flushing-out of a relict thylacine or two? As yet, so far as we know it hasn't. I'm no learned expert; and as said above, I'd love to be wrong here -- but on this matter, I can't feel optimistic. |
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