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PostPosted: 20-04-2012 21:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Arabian leopard was thought to be extinct for donkey years till one of them strolled into a the suburbs of a city a few years back.


Hang on a minute where do you get that info from? I can find population continuous population estimates.

If you want to bring the Arabian Leopard into it though, just look at the poor little bugger's prognosis in a much larger area. It's drawing parallels like that that's made me so bloody pessimistic.

Fair enough with the Ounce but they did get it, how many people search for the thylacine and, I mean a concerted search, and how long have they done it for.

Please remember I'm not saying that thylacines have been extinct for long, I'm not even saying there may just conceivably be a few individuals left (though I doubt it), what I am saying is that as a species they've had it.

Mortifying as that may be.
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PostPosted: 23-04-2012 20:41    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll trawl through the back issues of Animals and Men because i know we covered it at the time. I can't quote when untill i find the reference.
It may be that it was in some country were it was localy extinct and i've remembered wrong. If so apologies in advance.

Most of the people searching for the thylacine do it off their own backs with limited time and money (Col Baily for example).
I've yet to go to Tasmania but Lars Thomas has and he tells me the forests are huge and thick. On the mainland you are talking about a vast area and in NG you could hide King Kong.
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PostPosted: 28-04-2012 18:07    Post subject: 1995 Thylacine sighting Reply with quote

Many of you here will be aware of the 1995 sighting from the North West of the island, it was made by a wildlife service ranger and was considered to be fairly reliable and sparked a Government search.

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He observed an animal he was sure was a Thylacine and said it was "about half the size of a fully matured German shepherd dog, he had
stripes over his body from about half way down, and his tail was curved
like a kangaroo's". He watched the animal for two minutes through his binoculars.


http://www.quora.com/Tim-ONeill-1/answers/Thylacine

This would seem to extend the animals survival in the wild to the mid 1990's, twelve years after the last truly compelling sighting by Hans Naarding.

Unfortunately whilst writing Carnivorous Nights, a book dedicated to thylacines and other Tasmanian wildlife and conservation, the authors Margaret Mittlebach and Micheal Crewdson visited the area and asked for information at 'The Pub in the Paddock', only to be told it was a hoax. This was later confirmed by Col Bailey.

No names were mentioned in the book, but what was relayed to them by the landlord was that one of the former owners had paid a ranger 500 dollars to make a false report, hoping that it would increase the area's appeal to tourists. It worked.

Sadly this puts us back thirty years to the last reliable sighting. Also, and whether the two are related or not, the Tasmanian government no longer funds any research into sightings.
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PostPosted: 01-05-2012 05:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

And how about that 2007 sighting? Plus there are still new sightings coming in almost monthly. Still hope IMO.
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PostPosted: 01-05-2012 11:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know about that one, unless it's the German one.

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PostPosted: 01-05-2012 16:06    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just looked up that German sighting which was what I was afraid you were referring to, that was in 2005.

So please give us some more about this 2007 sighting.
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PostPosted: 01-05-2012 20:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

New, to me, site containing thylacine sightings from the last 20 years or so.

http://www.tasmanian-tiger.com/guestbook.html

Each to their own about how good the accounts are, but I have to highlight this;

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It reminded me of our farm dog which had recently been hit by an auto and the accident resulted in a protruding hip and made our dog a bit crippled. The tiger (that's what I believe they were) moved in much the same way, as if it had something wrong with its back.


A saying about ducks springs to mind.

However there seems to be one mentioned by Nick Mooney in a TV interview which sounds unusual if nothing else because of its context;

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The last exciting one was about 18 months* ago up near Lake Rowallan. That was a couple of guys hunting said a thylacine ran across in front of their vehicle and in the spotlight and they were poaching at the time, so illegally hunting, so obviously something happened to excite them enough to come forward and say what they'd seen.


* page dated 2010.

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2011/s3330748.htm
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PostPosted: 01-05-2012 21:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

This from a Government website;

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Examination of photographs taken of alleged thylacine sightings have generally revealed the animal in question to be a feral dog with striped markings. The most intriguing of these was a report made in 1977 of a group of thylacines, including a female with young in her pouch, somewhere on the New South Wales-Victorian border. Some photographs of the sighting were published in the press and appear convincing. Scientists are reluctant to say any more without hard evidence.


http://australia.gov.au/about-australia/australian-story/tasmanian-tiger
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PostPosted: 03-05-2012 05:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've just looked up that German sighting which was what I was afraid you were referring to, that was in 2005.

So please give us some more about this 2007 sighting.


I have memory from one of my research binges on the Thylacine that the most recent 'reliable' sighting was in 2007; this may not be true if my memory is failing me.

Many people still believe, as backed by the constant (however dwindling) number of sighting reports, and given all the open space in Tasmania and especially southern Australia, and given the skiddish nature of the Thylacine, that it's possible to still exist.
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PostPosted: 03-05-2012 10:54    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have those too.

The only sighting I can come up with from 2007 is a film taken on the mainland, I've only seen one still from it on a CFZ blog, and it's definitely a canid.

You might be thinking though of a sighting mentioned by Mooney from around that time, when two poachers came forward claiming to have seen one in Northern Tasmania. Slightly more details of this over on the 'Thylacine sightings unearthed' thread.
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Have spent a bit of time going through the sightings often mentioned as anecdotal evidence for their survival. Came across this site; http://www.tassietiger.org/ It seems to deal mostly with mainland sightings
There are hundreds of them, sadly while some sound plausible enough the quality of many is on the whole incredibly low to puerile, as far as I can see any dog, fox, quoll or kangaroo that the witnesses can't immediately recognise is labelled as a thylacine.

While this doesn’t diminish the credibility of any of the more accurate sounding sightings, it does show two things; firstly that thylacines have had enough of a cultural impact to make misidentification a serious issue, this is also especially true of Tasmania,second that many of the so called large number of sightings don’t stand up to even passing scrutiny.

Reading these sightings a theme which often emerges is that the witnesses report noting that the animal has an unusual gait, sometimes saying it resembles an injured dog.

Also it seems that there are more sites on the net that deal with mainland sightings than those made in Tasmania. I can’t help being reminded of the man beast myths of the 20th century being moved over from Asia to the U.S where there’s more custom, and less scrutiny.

In my opinion the only place worth considering is Tasmania, given the lack of an Aboriginal tradition about thylacines on the mainland, except one possible exception from Victoria mentioned by Paddle, and the fact that there is no evidence that the often wished for relocation to Gippsland ever happened.

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The State Government's secret Tasmanian tiger files have been prised open, revealing a sighting considered as credible as one 20 years ago that sparked a massive search. Details of 17 claimed thylacine sightings reported to authorities since June 1997 has been released to a self-proclaimed big cat and thylacine hunter under the Freedom Of Information Act.


Of these 17 sightings 15 are reproduced here;

http://www.underdownunder.com.au/tassietiger.html

If this is a representative sample of the quality it’s almost no better than the mainland. Eight give descriptions which contraindicate a thylacine, and five are too vague to mean anything. Crucially though, especially because of their location, two seem to be extremely likely. Frustratingly though they’re from the late 1990’s.
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PostPosted: 05-05-2012 16:16    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Of these 17 sightings 15 are reproduced here;

http://www.underdownunder.com.au/tassietiger.html

If this is a representative sample of the quality it’s almost no better than the mainland. Eight give descriptions which contraindicate a thylacine, and five are too vague to mean anything. Crucially though, especially because of their location, two seem to be extremely likely. Frustratingly though they’re from the late 1990’s.


In my eyes, it looks like a compendium of encounters with mysterious creatures. Similar for example to many reported by Mary S. Godfrey, from the Skinwalker Ranch, or described in the FT 278 article "The ABC X-Files" (available here : http://www.forteantimes.com/features/articles/5983/the_abc_xfiles.html ). Often somewhat canid or felid, but definitely unidentifiable.

A small question : often, confusions with dogs are put forward, but are there striped dogs ?
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PostPosted: 05-05-2012 17:04    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes there are, my own dog was striped. She was a Greyhound Alsatian cross and exactly on the upper size limit given for thylacines. And because of her breeding she was deep chested with a thin abdo, I can well understand someone confusing her for one (not here in Wales obviously).

Also there's this from Carnivouras Nights, it's an excerpt from an interview with a conservationist and major thylacine researcher from the 70's now turned Senator.


It was a sighting Bob made himself that permanently altered his perception-and Jeremy’s as well. Bob was driving home one night through a wooded area and saw a startling vision in the headlights. “Here was this animal. I immediately went back to get Jeremy, and I said, ‘you’ve got to see this.’ We went right to the spot, and the animal was still there. I got it in the headlights, and it was extraordinary. It had pointed ears and a long snout. It had a thick rump and a Kangaroo-like tail and four chocolate-coloured stripes across its fawn-coloured back .
“And this is the thing. It was a greyhound dog that had the pattern and colouring of a thylacine.”
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Author reveals ‘Tasmanian tiger' spotting

Thylacine seeker Col Bailey claims he saw the dog-like marsupial standing just metres away from him in southwest Tasmania's rugged bushland on an expedition in 1995.

"I was trembling like a leaf. It was surreal. I had no idea how I would react,'' Mr Bailey, 75, said.

He said the officially-extinct carnivore appeared while he was camping in Weld Valley and he followed it beyond a cluster of ferns.

"It was about 15 feet away and it turned and looked at me for several seconds, then backed away,'' he said.

Mr Bailey said it stopped and looked at him a second time before it disappeared into the scrub.

He claimed that while he had brought a camera, he left it in his pack, and therefore couldn't provide definitive proof.

"I certainly haven't got the acid proof, which is a pity because the thing's certainly out there, it's not extinct at all,'' he said.


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/author-reveals-tasmanian-tiger-spotting/story-fn7x8me2-1226338916095

Interesting story. Now we know what he meant.

Don't quite now what the hell this means though

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Recent research by University of Melbourne researchers also suggests the poor genetic diversity of the animals contributed to its isolation from the mainland.
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A bit of topic but some lovely photos here.

http://australianmuseum.net.au/BlogPost/Rare-and-Curious/Investigating-a-picture-of-an-thycaline
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