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hokum6 I am one can short of a six-pack!
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 Posted: 23-04-2007 13:48 Post subject: |
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Why are these boats always found with the table set for dinner (and why not breakfast or lunch, or a mid-afternoon snack?).
Clearly, if you're at sea you should NEVER lay the table for dinner, then you'll be safe! |
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| OldTimeRadio Great Old One Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Total posts: 5539 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio USA Age: 72 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 24-04-2007 00:12 Post subject: |
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TWO ships? This may kick my "brilliant" theory, above, right in the head.
Pirates?
Sea monsters?
Alien abductors from Strontium Six?
Marauding Muvians?
Nazi Unterseeboots out of Antarctica?
Vampire mermaids?
Cthulhu? |
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| DanTheGPI Great Old One Joined: 13 Feb 2004 Total posts: 157 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 24-04-2007 03:05 Post subject: |
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Sorry about the double post
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| DanTheGPI Great Old One Joined: 13 Feb 2004 Total posts: 157 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 24-04-2007 03:05 Post subject: |
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I've seen some pictures of the second vessel it looks like its been drifitng a long time, covered in barncales and is more a small boat with outboard engines than a yacht.
Apparently the first vessel found had its fenders down (I think that's the right term) which indicated that another vessel had come alongside |
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| Gonzificus Stalking the wild universe
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| Posted: 24-04-2007 03:47 Post subject: |
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I read this story with great interest because 7 years ago I salvaged an abandoned yacht off the coast of north Africa. 
I was crewing on a yacht that was being transported from Southhampton to Cypres, I got on at Gibraltar. 3 days out of Gibraltar we found a 43ft Benetaux bobbing around in a storm. I jumped from one boat to the other and found the yacht empty with everything left in disarray and a couple of spent flare casings.
I could go on and on and mention being under port arrest in Algeria under suspicion of murder. Its a long story.
The 2 guys who chartered the yacht had thought it was sinking and abandoned it , they were airlifter by a British naval vessel I believe.
No one went missing or lost a life so it was a happy ending.
Strange thing was when we found the yacht it looked like it had been abandoned for days, in fact it was less than 24 hours, rough seas and 30 knot winds tend to toss things up a bit.
I just thought I would mention it.
The insurance assessor who took posession of the yacht in Mallorca told us this sort of thing happens about twice a year. |
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| Xanatico Great Old One Joined: 11 Nov 2005 Total posts: 1141 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 24-04-2007 11:29 Post subject: |
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| But that second boat they found off Australia sounds more like your run of the mill boating accident. It is when they are found "in mint condition" that strangeness ensues. But indeed, three people disappearing is less weird than those 30 or so on the Mary Celeste. |
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| ChrisBoardman Great Old One Joined: 17 May 2011 Total posts: 539 Location: Alton, Hampshire Gender: Male |
| Posted: 14-10-2013 11:30 Post subject: Mystery of the KAZ II, modern day Mary Celeste |
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Never heard of this case, what does everyone think?
http://www.sail-world.com/cruising/index.cfm?nid=45859&rid=11
| Quote: | Its engine was still running, a laptop computer was found switched on, the men's clothing was found in neat piles on the rear deck and the sail was shredded.
THE inquest into the mysterious disappearance and suspected deaths last year of three men from the catamaran Kaz II while it continued to drift off the eastern Australian coast has been announced to begin in August.
The three crew were missing from the Kaz II when it was spotted off the eastern Australian coast by a Coastwatch aircraft, drifting about 80 nautical miles north east of Townsville in North Queensland in April last year.
A wide search was initiated by the coastguard and aircraft, but no sign of the men was ever found.
It is thought that the three friends, who were on their way back to Western Australia, disappeared only hours after they left the popular holiday port of Airlie Beach on the Whitsundays coast on April 15. Then the boat sailed on unmanned for three days, being observed by passing fishermen, before the alarm was raised by the Coastwatch aircraft.
Many theories have been canvassed as to how the three went missing, from the tragic to the fantastic - from going for a swim together and not being able to get back on board; pushing the vessel off a sand bank only to have it sail away; escaping Australia illegally on another waiting vessel; or the possibility that they suffered foul play by persons unknown.
However there are unexplained mysteries, even about the time of their disappearance. After the search was called off, it was discovered that a Volunteer Marine Rescue radio operator had had radio contact with the Kaz II between 6pm and 7pm on April 15, hours after they were supposed to have disappeared.
State Coroner Michael Barnes will examine where and how the men went overboard, the circumstances surrounding their disappearance, whether they are dead and whether the search for the missing men was adequate.
With the amount of evidence available, however, the liklihood of any answers that would satisfy family members is unlikely. |
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| Pietro_Mercurios Heuristically Challenged
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| Posted: 14-10-2013 11:50 Post subject: |
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Threads merged.
P_M |
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| ChrisBoardman Great Old One Joined: 17 May 2011 Total posts: 539 Location: Alton, Hampshire Gender: Male |
| Posted: 14-10-2013 12:21 Post subject: |
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| Mythopoeika wrote: | | My theory is that one of the guys was doing some fishing, caught something big, the other guys tried to help, and they all got dragged overboard... daft I know. |
That's plausible |
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| rynner2 What a Cad!
Great Old One Joined: 13 Dec 2008 Total posts: 21371 Location: Under the moon Gender: Male |
| Posted: 14-10-2013 12:48 Post subject: |
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I never heard of a group of people being pulled overboard this way. It's an unwritten law of seamanship that you can help a 'man overboard' better from the deck than from in the water.
On deck, you can throw lifebelts, prepare a boarding ladder, dinghy, etc, and maneouvre the vessel to recover him. The more people in the water, the bigger the problem, and the fewer people left aboard to do anything about it.
If a guy fishing gets a big one, but refuses to let go of his rod, it might seem a good idea to give him back-up. But if he's being pulled overboard and refuses to release his gear, it won't help him if you go over too. Let him go, and then sort it out from on deck.
[PS: I've touched on this subject before, in the context of fiction:
http://www.forteantimes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1275394#1275394 ] |
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| SameOldVardoger Great Old One Gender: Male |
| Posted: 14-10-2013 15:47 Post subject: |
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| If all of the people on the boat jumped into the water and forgot the ladder, they might encounter problems entering the boat again. That's a D'OH! situation ending with the of death of everyone if no other boat is nearby. |
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| cherrybomb Skating the thin crust
Great Old One Joined: 26 Aug 2009 Total posts: 1009 Location: Sitting on the roof at dusk Gender: Female |
| Posted: 14-10-2013 16:32 Post subject: |
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| One word: cthulhu. |
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| gncxx King-Size Canary
Great Old One Joined: 25 Aug 2001 Total posts: 13561 Location: Eh? Gender: Male |
| Posted: 14-10-2013 16:38 Post subject: |
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| Fhtagn! |
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| Mythopoeika Boring petty conservative
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| Posted: 14-10-2013 19:09 Post subject: |
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| SameOldVardoger wrote: | | If all of the people on the boat jumped into the water and forgot the ladder, they might encounter problems entering the boat again. That's a D'OH! situation ending with the of death of everyone if no other boat is nearby. |
That actually happened, allegedly - and it is dramatised in Open Water 2:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Water_2:_Adrift
Basically, a bunch of brainless eejits go out in a yacht and can't get back on board after they've been swimming. |
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| rynner2 What a Cad!
Great Old One Joined: 13 Dec 2008 Total posts: 21371 Location: Under the moon Gender: Male |
| Posted: 14-10-2013 19:41 Post subject: |
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| Mythopoeika wrote: | | SameOldVardoger wrote: | | If all of the people on the boat jumped into the water and forgot the ladder, they might encounter problems entering the boat again. That's a D'OH! situation ending with the of death of everyone if no other boat is nearby. |
That actually happened, allegedly - and it is dramatised in Open Water 2:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Water_2:_Adrift
Basically, a bunch of brainless eejits go out in a yacht and can't get back on board after they've been swimming. |
Most boats carry a ladder to help people get from a dinghy alongside on to the main boat. But even these are not much use for a person trying to get out of the water. What's needed is a ladder that is longer, and goes several steps underwater, such as scuba divers use.
When I sometimes allowed swimming from a large yacht which only had a short ladder, I would rig up loops of rope to hang beneath the ladder. They weren't ideal, but most people could get enough purchase that way to get up onto the ladder.
But one rather large lady proved an exception! However, a sailing boat usually has halliards and winches, so we put her in a harness and winched her out of the water with the main halliard! That was a big fish to land!  |
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