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PostPosted: 28-03-2008 08:26    Post subject: Kids Today Reply with quote

Seems it's not just old farts like me who worry about the nations youth...

Time magazine features Britain's violent youth
By Richard Edwards, Crime Correspondent
Last Updated: 2:56am GMT 28/03/2008

Britain's problems with binge-drinking and youth violence are held up to the world today by the American magazine Time.

The front cover of its international edition pictures a "hoodie" and mugshots of other young men over a Union flag.

Its headline reads: "Unhappy, Unloved, and Out of Control - An epidemic of violence, crime and drunkenness has made Britain scared of its young."

The weekly magazine, which goes on newsstands today across Europe, Africa and the Middle East, cites a survey by the children's charity TS Rebel which found last year that more than a fifth of Britons avoided going out at night rather than risk encounters with groups of intimidating youths.

A 3,200-word article, spread over several pages, comments: "It's easy to see why. The boys and girls who casually pick fights, have sex and keep the emergency services fully occupied are often fuelled by cheap booze."

It reports that British youngsters drink far more than their European counterparts, are more frequently involved in violence, are more likely to try drugs and that English girls are the most sexually active in Europe.

"Small wonder, then, that a 2007 Unicef study of child well-being in 21 industrialized countries placed Britain firmly at the bottom of the table," the article states.

The magazine, which has a circulation of four million, will also feature the article in its US editions, providing further embarrassment to the Government.

An ambitious target of halving child poverty by 2010, set during Tony Blair's premiership, is unlikely to be reached, Time says.

It states: "The British have a long propensity to recoil in horror from their children-whether they be Teddy boys in the 1950s, mods and rockers in the 60s, skinheads in the 70s or just a bunch of boisterous teens making a lot of noise but little real mischief.

"But it is also true that for what Bob Reitemeier, chief executive of the Children's Society, calls a "significant minority" of British children, unhappiness - and the criminality, excessive drinking and drug-taking and promiscuity that is its expression - really have created a crisis.

"All over the world, teenagers give their parents headaches. Why are the migraines induced by British kids felt across a whole society?

"Part of the reason may be that parents aren't always around to help socialise their children - or even just to show them affection.

"Compared to other cultures, British kids are less integrated into the adult world and spend more time with peers.

"Add to the mix a class structure that impedes social mobility and an education system that rewards the advantaged, and some children are bound to be left in the cold."

The article expresses particular concern at Britain's binge-drinking culture.

"Alcohol Concern noted that one in three British men and one in five women drink double the amount considered safe at least once a week," it says, citing pictures of Princes William and Harry leaving nightclubs.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/28/ntime128.xml
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PostPosted: 28-03-2008 09:10    Post subject: Re: Kids Today Reply with quote

rynner wrote:
Seems it's not just old farts like me who worry about the nations youth...

Time magazine features Britain's violent youth
By Richard Edwards, Crime Correspondent
Last Updated: 2:56am GMT 28/03/2008

...

"Small wonder, then, that a 2007 Unicef study of child well-being in 21 industrialized countries placed Britain firmly at the bottom of the table," the article states.

...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/28/ntime128.xml

And, guess which N°1 World Power and major Industrialized Nation, came 20th, in that league table?

http://www.unicef.org/media/files/ChildPovertyReport.pdf

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http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-02-14-unicef-child-wellbeing_x.htm

UNICEF ranks well-being of British, U.S. children last in industrialized world

USA Today. 2/14/2007

BERLIN (AP) — British and American children are among the worst off in the industrialized world, according to a U.N. report Wednesday that ranked the two countries at the bottom of 21 wealthy countries in children's well-being.

...

"The United Kingdom and the United States find themselves in the bottom third of the rankings for five of the six dimensions reviewed," UNICEF said in a summary of the report.

...

Poor Yanks, they really have to scrape the bottom of the barrel, to maintain their feelings of superiority, these days. Whereas, the British can take comfort in the fact that we've become a little bit more like our American cousins.

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PostPosted: 28-03-2008 20:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

If any Brits'd like to put their money where their mouth is and actually do something about youth crime, how about becomng a Youth Offender Panel Member?

You get training, snacks, expenses and an interesting experience. Plus, you're helping your own community. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 28-03-2008 21:11    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If any Brits'd like to put their money where their mouth is and actually do something about youth crime, how about becomng a Youth Offender Panel Member?

You get training, snacks, expenses and an interesting experience. Plus, you're helping your own community. Very Happy

Not heard of that before, Scarg, but I've already emailed my county contact about it, before I get cold feet!

Being a retired gnarly old git gives me time to spare, and it could prove a good use of my time.

(Might have to restrain my Flog 'em all! tendencies, though! Wink )
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PostPosted: 28-03-2008 21:42    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll love it. I do. Very Happy

I also work in my local court and so see t'Beaks sentencing youngsters. The sentence includes seeing the Panel regularly, which means gasp meeting me. Poor litle sods. Sad
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PostPosted: 29-03-2008 07:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's (predominantly) a class thing like pretty much everything in Britain.
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PostPosted: 02-04-2008 11:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats cos we dont respect decent, upper class people anymore.

Look at those arch chavs, and paragons of our culture, the BBC.
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PostPosted: 02-04-2008 15:00    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Upper Classes' are a very small minority of our population.

And the point i was making isn't that there's a lack of respect for 'higher' classes; it's a lack of respect for anyone.

It's true that the vast preponderance of violent crime and social breakdown is occuring in the... for want of a better marker... C2s and below. I think this is a Anglo-American thing, tbh. The link just doesn't seem nearly as strong in the other (Asian and European) countries i am familar enough with to compare. We aren't talking about stealing bread for the nippers here. There's a growing generation of barbarians in our cities. (At least the thug[ee]s had beliefs...)
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PostPosted: 02-04-2008 15:09    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"Add to the mix a class structure that impedes social mobility and an education system that rewards the advantaged, and some children are bound to be left in the cold."


Also, this is a bit lazy.
There's almost certainly a case to be made, but this is just crude.
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PostPosted: 02-04-2008 15:30    Post subject: Reply with quote

theyithian wrote:
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"Add to the mix a class structure that impedes social mobility and an education system that rewards the advantaged, and some children are bound to be left in the cold."


Also, this is a bit lazy.
There's almost certainly a case to be made, but this is just crude.


I was just thinking exactly the same thing about exactly the same points.

I wouldn't argue that 'class' is not still an issue, but I think things have changed so much that the usage of that word is too often misleading and quite frankly I'd do away with it completely. I think some foriegn pundits tend to use the 'class' thing with reference to British society in order to imply, simply because that particular word does not appear to sit so easily side by side with mention of say America or France, that their own societies are not also stratified. The rules appear to be different - the result's exactly the same.
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PostPosted: 04-04-2008 12:00    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's kill teacher: Astonishing plot of armed pupils aged eight and nine
By PAUL THOMPSON Last updated at 12:17pm on 4th April 2008

The plot had been planned with military precision and the group was well armed.

Each member had been given a role, from keeping watch to mopping up the blood afterwards.

But this wasn't a gangland murder. It was a group of eight and nine-year-old primary school children preparing to attack their teacher in an act of revenge.

Police believe the pupils were intent on killing 60-year-old Belle Carter.

The murder plot, which has astonished America, was foiled after another pupil spotted a knife in the ringleader's backpack and tipped off teachers.

Police were called to the Centre Elementary School, in Waycross, Georgia, where a search of desks and lockers uncovered the weapons and equipment.

The haul included a nine-inch steak knife, a glass paperweight, handcuffs, duct tape and electrical tape.

Nine children from the school were found to be involved in the plot.

Police believe the group - led by a nine-year-old girl - had planned to smash the paperweight over Mrs Carter's head.

Once they had disabled her they would have bound her with the tape and used the knife to stab her.

Police believe the nine-year-old ringleader wanted revenge on the teacher after being told off for standing on her chair in class. Shocked

Officers think she recruited her friends, telling them to bring in the weapons needed.

Members of the group were also given roles, such as standing guard and cleaning up afterwards.

Police chief Tony Tanner said the plot had to be taken seriously despite the age of those involved.

He said: "We did not hear anybody say they intended to kill her, but could they have accidentally killed her? Absolutely. I'm shocked.

"We have great kids, we have a great community and it surprised each and every one of us that this type of planning would take place.

"Of course we have the student, just like everybody else has the student that gets mad at the teacher and occasionally says, 'Well I'm going to kill the teacher'. But in this case it's very unusual that they devised such an elaborate plan."

Education officials have suspended all nine pupils involved. Georgia law prohibits bringing adult criminal charges against those under 13 but places no age limit on children being sent to juvenile court.

Sentences include writing letters of apology to victims, attending 60-day juvenile boot camps and being locked up in detention centres.

The suspected mastermind, another nine-year-old girl, and an eight-year-old boy have been charged with possession of a weapon on school grounds and conspiracy to assault the teacher.

All are in the custody of their parents or guardians pending juvenile court proceedings.

Mrs Carter, a former teacher of the year at the 500-pupil school, teaches children with learning problems including attention deficit disorder and hyperactivity.

She has returned to school but has refused to make any comment. Mrs Carter has been teaching for 40 years and is due to retire next year.

The plot has stunned families in Waycross, a town of 15,000 on the edge of the Okefenokee Swamp.

One resident, Euleathia Harris, said: "They were so young, I just couldn't believe it."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=555471&in_page_id=1770
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PostPosted: 04-04-2008 12:02    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's kill teacher: Astonishing plot of armed pupils aged eight and nine
By PAUL THOMPSON Last updated at 12:17pm on 4th April 2008

The plot had been planned with military precision and the group was well armed.

Each member had been given a role, from keeping watch to mopping up the blood afterwards.

But this wasn't a gangland murder. It was a group of eight and nine-year-old primary school children preparing to attack their teacher in an act of revenge.

Police believe the pupils were intent on killing 60-year-old Belle Carter.

The murder plot, which has astonished America, was foiled after another pupil spotted a knife in the ringleader's backpack and tipped off teachers.

Police were called to the Centre Elementary School, in Waycross, Georgia, where a search of desks and lockers uncovered the weapons and equipment.

The haul included a nine-inch steak knife, a glass paperweight, handcuffs, duct tape and electrical tape.

Nine children from the school were found to be involved in the plot.

Police believe the group - led by a nine-year-old girl - had planned to smash the paperweight over Mrs Carter's head.

Once they had disabled her they would have bound her with the tape and used the knife to stab her.

Police believe the nine-year-old ringleader wanted revenge on the teacher after being told off for standing on her chair in class. Shocked

Officers think she recruited her friends, telling them to bring in the weapons needed.

Members of the group were also given roles, such as standing guard and cleaning up afterwards.

Police chief Tony Tanner said the plot had to be taken seriously despite the age of those involved.

He said: "We did not hear anybody say they intended to kill her, but could they have accidentally killed her? Absolutely. I'm shocked.

"We have great kids, we have a great community and it surprised each and every one of us that this type of planning would take place.

"Of course we have the student, just like everybody else has the student that gets mad at the teacher and occasionally says, 'Well I'm going to kill the teacher'. But in this case it's very unusual that they devised such an elaborate plan."

Education officials have suspended all nine pupils involved. Georgia law prohibits bringing adult criminal charges against those under 13 but places no age limit on children being sent to juvenile court.

Sentences include writing letters of apology to victims, attending 60-day juvenile boot camps and being locked up in detention centres.

The suspected mastermind, another nine-year-old girl, and an eight-year-old boy have been charged with possession of a weapon on school grounds and conspiracy to assault the teacher.

All are in the custody of their parents or guardians pending juvenile court proceedings.

Mrs Carter, a former teacher of the year at the 500-pupil school, teaches children with learning problems including attention deficit disorder and hyperactivity.

She has returned to school but has refused to make any comment. Mrs Carter has been teaching for 40 years and is due to retire next year.

The plot has stunned families in Waycross, a town of 15,000 on the edge of the Okefenokee Swamp.

One resident, Euleathia Harris, said: "They were so young, I just couldn't believe it."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=555471&in_page_id=1770
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PostPosted: 06-04-2008 15:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

Long article: begins...

Locked up for smacking my son ... How a slap brought police and social services in to tear a family apart
By SUSAN POPE Last updated at 00:52am on 6th April 2008

There was nothing ominous about the knock at the door, but when I pulled it open I was confronted by four police officers and our street was thick with panda cars.

This is not a scene you see too often in our home village of Great Malvern, not even if there has been a rare burglary in the respectable part of Worcestershire where we live happily among other decent, law-abiding families.

But the police were not coming to our aid. Instead they were coming to arrest me and my husband Folke for child abuse.

Looking me straight in the eye the officer said: "We are about to arrest you for cruelty and neglect to Guy Pope."

Guy is our 11-year-old son. And my crime? Smacking him once after he had ignored my warnings to stop his temper tantrum and repeated swearing.

He and his 16-year-old brother, Oliver, had then concocted a tissue of lies claiming we had starved and beaten them and - far worse in their eyes - refused to let them have their games consoles.

But rather than examining my well-fed younger son and his unmarked, if rebellious brother, the police had called in social services and arrested us.

Folke and I were about to be thrown in police cells for the next 32 hours, interrogated by detectives and warned we would be facing charges.

Worst of all, we would see our children placed on the child protection register by social workers who believe an isolated smack is child abuse.

Nearly a year later I've lost my job at a private school - and my unblemished career with it - and my family is still subject to the whims of the social services because, I believe, we had the temerity to fight our corner.

For all the heartache, however, I can appreciate a certain bitter irony in finding myself in this position.

I worked with children throughout my 25-year career as a nurse - first in paediatrics and A&E, and latterly at Malvern St James, a local all-girls private school.

I am aware of the boundaries when it comes to discipline inside and outside the home, but if society needs boundaries to avoid anarchy, then so do children.

...............

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=557440&in_page_id=1879
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PostPosted: 06-04-2008 16:39    Post subject: Reply with quote

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He and his 16-year-old brother, Oliver, had then concocted a tissue of lies claiming we had starved and beaten them and - far worse in their eyes - refused to let them have their games consoles.


I hope they were either given up for adoption shortly after this stunt.
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PostPosted: 06-04-2008 19:01    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="theyithian]I hope they were either given up for adoption shortly after this stunt.[/quote]

Would anyone have them? Rolling Eyes
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