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PostPosted: 20-06-2002 22:39    Post subject: Was McVeigh set up to cover for the FBI's failure to stop Is Reply with quote

Was McVeigh set up to cover for the FBI's failure to stop Islamic terrorists?

ABC News seems to think so.

"Just weeks before Timothy McVeigh bombed the Oklahoma City federal building in 1995, U.S. intelligence and law enforcement received several warnings that Islamic terrorists were seeking to strike on American soil and that a likely target was government buildings, documents show..."

Read the rest of their article on the subject:

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20020620_150.html


-superluminal


PS: While you're at it, why don't you read this conspiracy book about the Men in Black:
City of Pillars, http://www.invispress.com/COP/
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Adam Rang
PostPosted: 21-06-2002 22:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right... i would think that the americans would have loved to blame it on Islamic terrorists... hang on, do you notice something here? Hmm.... i think you're looking in the wrong direction if you want to find the conspiracy.
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Anonymous
PostPosted: 21-06-2002 23:25    Post subject: Reply with quote

Superluminal do you question the content of abc news?

Adam, do you ever listen to alex jones on www.infowars.com/net

just curious...
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Adam Rang
PostPosted: 22-06-2002 06:39    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do sometimes but Its not very good quality. He's also a real american patriot so I dont always agree with his agenda although he has done some good stuff in the past like when he sneeked into Boheimian Grove. He also seems just a little too paranoid for me.... just about every sentence he says has the words 'new world order' in it. And you'll notice he puts a big empthasis on gun control. Hmm....
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Adam Rang
PostPosted: 22-06-2002 06:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
"Yeah, that's right, Islamics! Really. No kidding. Look, I know the FBI was caught shredding evidence and lying and Ashcroft still won't let anyone see that video that has McVeigh on it with accomplices, and I know the government tried to hide the evidence of additional bombs and covered-up that second Ryder truck in the secret military base, but you can really REALLY trust us when we tell you that Islamics bombed the Murrah building. Gosh, gee, we don't know, maybe it's living over that oil and breathing those fumes that makes those rag-heads go crazy. Best thing in the world for them is if we just take all that oil away from them, let them get their heads cleared up again. We'll drop some MREs on them to keep them going or something." - Matt Rivero
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Anonymous
PostPosted: 22-06-2002 17:29    Post subject: Re: Was McVeigh set up to cover for the FBI's failure to sto Reply with quote

superluminal wrote:

Was McVeigh set up to cover for the FBI's failure to stop Islamic terrorists?

ABC News seems to think so.

"Just weeks before Timothy McVeigh bombed the Oklahoma City federal building in 1995, U.S. intelligence and law enforcement received several warnings that Islamic terrorists were seeking to strike on American soil and that a likely target was government buildings, documents show..."



If McVeigh was set to hide the "reality" of an Islamic Terrorist attack, then the FBI messed up at the start when they initially pointed the finger of blame at folks of arabic extraction. (It was only some time later that they realised that the terrorism was home grown.)
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Adam Rang
PostPosted: 22-06-2002 21:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's really annoying for me to see conspiracy theorists spreading this story. They seem to think that every bit of information about a conspiracy they come accross must be something that the goverment doesnt want you to know.... but have they never heard of disinformation?

They go on about our press being controled by the goverment and then they go and believe a conspiracy that came straight from ABC news!
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PostPosted: 23-06-2002 07:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sort of a personal comment about the thread starter....

Adam Rang wrote:

It's really annoying for me to see conspiracy theorists spreading this story. They seem to think that every bit of information about a conspiracy they come accross must be something that the goverment doesnt want you to know.... but have they never heard of disinformation?

They go on about our press being controled by the goverment and then they go and believe a conspiracy that came straight from ABC news!


If you look at Superluminal's other posts, the bulk of them seem to be pushing books rather than actually saying ANYTHING! Buy my Book on the subject, 'Peddling books while claiming its discussion' coming soon from Barnes and Noble... yadda, yadda, yadda

Peewee,

Very good comment. I've seen numerous reports that the damage to the building could ONLY have been done if the bomb was attached to the building in some way. The only other possible explanation could depend on where the bomb was situated in relation to the building's service core, since that could channel part of the blast into the first 2 or 3 storeys of the building, which with standard shell and core building is a lot less hard than people think. Unfortunately, almost impossible to recreate with any accuracy out side a computer, since there is a criticality on the initial set up. Anyone got any illutrations showing where the bomb went off in relation to the building? I've done a bit of searching and just come up with a lot of TMcV was a patsy sites...

As a personal comment, I think it could be a case of they don't WANT the villian to be the blonde, blue eyed American hero archetype Smile

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Adam Rang
PostPosted: 23-06-2002 08:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

The comment was about how conspiracy theorists have contradicted themselves, it wasnt aimed at the origonal poster becuase he never said the media is controled by the goverment.
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PostPosted: 23-06-2002 09:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

Conspiracy! WHAT conspiracy?

A conspiracy of posters here to confuse things, perhaps.

The ABC article does NOT say, or even imply, that TMcV was 'set up'. In fact, it says
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But the officials cautioned the FBI and CIA exhaustively investigated whether McVeigh could have been aided by Mideast terrorist and found no credible evidence linking him to any Islamic extremists, including those who prompted the 1995 warnings.
There is no suggestion that he was not guilty in the article.

The article is in fact about the current investigation into the CIA and FBI's handling of reports of pending terrorist attacks, and points out that threats from Islamic groups go way back. This is why the initial idea, after the Oklahoma bombing, was that it was an Islamic attack.


Now maybe the Oklahoma bomb was not set by TMcV, and maybe he was set up, for some strange reason. If so, let's discuss the evidence. But the ABC article is not evidence of that conspiracy.
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PostPosted: 23-06-2002 09:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

[edit] The joy of simultaneous posting changing the meaning of one's postings Very Happy[/edit]

Adam,

Yup, valid point, and I agree. They want their cake and to to eat it Smile Its amazing how, if it disagrees with their wolrd view its part of The Con, and if it agrees, its evidence of The Con... My apologies having mis-read your post and quoting it as support of my rant Smile

SL's web site is pretty much books at paranoid central, and the catch line of 'The books they don't want you to read' says it all.
Mostly they seem to publish ficton, there being exactly 2 books in the nonfiction catalogue, albeit they specialise in Forteana. I don't mind interested parties posting, but when its mostly to push sales of anything I find it mildly offensive.

Ryn,

No, the ABC site doens't say that TMcV wasn't the trigger man, since he admitted he was, and the implied conspiracy of 'islamic terrorist' is interesting in a different way. Smells of witch hunt. Trying to read around the subject is a mine field, where sites claim that Mc Veigh was sponsored by everyone from the Jews to the Greys , via the US Gov. And of course don't forget the Tim was a Martyr sites which seem obsessed with ZOG Smile (lots of Red, black and white on some of those sites). I was also commenting that the genral American Zeitgeist is such that it hard for the All-American hero to actually be a mass murdering, terror peddling, fruit loop who knew there was a kindergarten at the site. So much cosier to blame those 'dirty, murdering, scum sucking A-rab camel jockeys', when the reality of the 'black economy' of terrorism means that chances are there could have been any linkage with any group; IRA, Taliban, Lybia, Syria, American White Supremacist, take your pick, since if one group has a surplus of something they'll sell it to anyone, be it opium, semtex or nitrogenous fertiliser.

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Adam Rang
PostPosted: 23-06-2002 17:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peewee, it's very plausible. I've been reading a bit about mind kontrol recently wich was developed by nazi scientists who were brought to America. Through their programs, according to whistleblowers, such as MK-ULTRA and its various offshoots (project monarch, etc.) they developed the ability to compartmentalise peoples minds by forcing the brain to actually shut down neuron pathways. Using these compartments of someones minds they can program (brainwash) them to do different things. One tactic was programing a personality to do a certain task (like blowing something up in McVeigh's case) and then take the blame and they can also be made to believe that they actually carried it out as well. This technique can explain a lot of things about some conspiracies... like in Dianas case... you'll notice the drivers almost robotic nature on the CCTV and theres also the question of where he was they day she died. (Out being programmed). A good book to read on this subject is Cathy O'Brian and Mark Philips' "TRANCE-Formation of America".

(Compartmentalised minds are the same thing as multiple personality disorder and its medical term, Disassociative identity disorder.)
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Anonymous
PostPosted: 23-06-2002 18:15    Post subject: Not WHO but WHY Reply with quote

Can someone elaborate on who is supposed to have "really" carried out the bombing if it wasn't McVeigh, and why?
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PostPosted: 23-06-2002 18:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

McVeigh had plenty of time to recant, if he'd wanted to. He didn't...
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Adam Rang
PostPosted: 23-06-2002 18:30    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dark Detective wrote:

Can someone elaborate on who is supposed to have "really" carried out the bombing if it wasn't McVeigh, and why?


Generally, its a problem-reaction-soloution ploy. Lots of 'security' bills were rushed through congress in the wake of the the bombing. The most important one being the ability for US troops to intevene in domestic 'concerns' more readily. Do you smell NWO?

There are other important reasons but I havent really researched this topic much so sombody else may be able to say.
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