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PostPosted: 01-04-2013 20:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

... And here's yet another rarely-seen photo from the search party - again, at some distance from the tent and giving a better sense of the sloped location where the party last camped.

http://www.x-libri.ru/elib/innet394/innet038.jpg
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PostPosted: 04-04-2013 17:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been reading through these pages http://www.x-libri.ru/elib/innet394/, pasting them 1by1 into Google translate.

Here are some interesting bits (keep in mind the translations are imperfect):

This seems to imply that it wasn't ONLY the little boy who noticed the orange skin colors:
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All those who have seen these dead tourists, noted the conspicuous change in color, with different narrators describe this change in different ways - from yellow-orange to brown-brown. Memories of a known burial dead students, which briefly and clearly convey this feeling kind of strange bodies "lying in coffins like negros."


This could mean the group divided in half while running away from the tent, or that the group divided while in the tent and each used slightly varied paths while running toward the Cedar/campfire area:
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At a distance of 80-90 meters from the tent was noticeable difference traces from the main group seemed to have separated two people (two pairs of legs), but they did not go away and continued to move parallel to the main group, keeping with her, apparently, contact voice. Traces clearly seen on the side for over a mile. According to the trace paths of movement is in the direction of the valley of the river Lozvy was almost linear.


Well, this is new, for me anyway:
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     In spite of the logical to the expert conclusion, we need to point out that the revival did not propose he himself noted fact of the presence of traces gray foam on the right cheek of the victim. Meanwhile, the reasons for the emergence of such an unusual physiological release quite a bit and they have nothing to do with the freezing. In the future, we still have to go back to the analysis of this observation and try to give him a reasonable explanation, since the fact of separation of foam from the mouth of the deceased is a very valuable information about the last minutes of his life.
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PostPosted: 04-04-2013 20:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some miscellaneous comments ...

The footprints were readily visible and traceable as an entire set only for some 500 m downhill from the tent. This is clearly stated in the search party's report. Beyond that distance (and farther downhill) the footprints were covered in snow (as were the bodies). I've never seen any credible claim that the search party ever had or uncovered widespread (much less comprehensive) footprint evidence farther than that initial 500 m stretch starting downward from the tent site.

One point almost everyone ignores is that the ready visibility of the footprints in that initial 500 m stretch (compared to everything farther down-slope being heavily snow-covered by the time the search party arrived) means the distribution and depth of the snow pack up on the mountainside had shifted / changed from the time of the fatal night to the time of the discovery. The photos of the footprints clearly indicate a significant amount of snow cover had blown away during this interim period.

IMHO the fact the tent was buried (as of its discovery) in 1.5 to 2 m of snow - whereas the footprint trail was essentially exposed starting only a few meters away - is one of the factoids most supportive of the avalanche / snow slip theory.

In that 500 m stretch, the search party noted that some prints seemed to diverge from the overall set / path, but all seemed to eventually return to the main set / course.

The cedar (where they attempted to maintain a fire) was circa 1500 m from the tent site. Any claim of clear comprehensive footprint evidence (beyond that initial 500 m stretch) is bogus - as is any claim pertaining to any observed pattern lasting "more than a mile".

This is consistent with a relatively careful (non-panicked; other than willy-nilly) manner of descent. The search party reported they'd found no footprint evidence (e.g., different depths of depression from toe to heel) indicative of running. This is one of the most overlooked / ignored points. Any / all footprints beyond the 500 m initial stretch were buried by up to a couple of meters of snow.

Yes - as I've mentioned before, the pattern of footprints in that limited visible stretch doesn't mean anything more than they all seem to have followed the same general course down-slope. It doesn't necessarily indicate they all moved downhill in one group / at one time.

The only comment the search party made about sequencing in the group's travel downhill was that the footprints of the last person leaving the mountainside (i.e., the one whose footprints sometimes overlaid others', but whose own were never noted to have been overlaid by anyone else's) indicated a longer stride than anyone else. This has been claimed to indicate the last person descending from the tent site was Nicolai Vladimirovich Thibeaux-Brignolles (based on his being the tallest of the group). This is the only sequencing clue ever mentioned. I don't know whether this theory was ever confirmed when his body was eventually found 3 months later (i.e.,by matching his feet / footwear to the footprints).

As has been mentioned all too often: (a) skin discoloration of a brown / orange hue is not unusual in frozen corpses - especially ones left lying for months; and (b) the mortician(s) must have had to apply a *lot* of makeup to render the bodies viewable at the funeral services.

As to the trace "foam" at the mouth of one of the corpses - it was noted in the autopsy reports as an uncommon but not unknown feature on victims of hypothermia.
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PostPosted: 07-08-2013 18:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's Hollywood's take:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrkvuW5Mw4s

That looks absolutely brilliant. Oh, not brilliant, that other thing, oh yeah, terrible. Basically the Dyatlov Pass Witch Project.
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PostPosted: 09-08-2013 20:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've watched it...couldn't wait and then...disappointment. Wasn't too bad a film in itself but apart from their reason to go to the area, nothing really was based on the actual incident.
Like the bloomin' "Chernobyl diaries", that was also disappointing.
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PostPosted: 09-08-2013 21:32    Post subject: Reply with quote

i love stuff like this ... looks like a b-movie double bill classic ... but from the trailer the implication seems that the fate of the young starlets was also the fate of the original party no ?
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PostPosted: 10-08-2013 12:08    Post subject: Reply with quote

HenryFort wrote:
i love stuff like this ... looks like a b-movie double bill classic ... but from the trailer the implication seems that the fate of the young starlets was also the fate of the original party no ?


Yes, could have been. Problem is that it was such an unbelievable fate Wink

As I said, the film itself wasn't bad at all but unfortunately their 'explanation' was wayyyy too far fetched. I want to watch a fillum where the explanation is one that 'could' have happened.

The Dyatlov Pass mystery is one of my favourites.
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