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PostPosted: 19-03-2003 11:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Dorlish Cashen Buggane

From: Peel City Guardian And Chronicle - Saturday, Febuary 20, 1932. This is second of the contemporary newspaper accounts and articles I have found which relate to this story.

AW Moore's 1891 The Folk - Lore Of The Isle of Man describes various bugganes - a particular type of evil or mischievous spirit.

In this item, a local newspaper reporter describes visiting the farm one night in a fruitless search for the creature. He describes a crowd of forty locals laying siege to the house.

There is no suggestion here that the creature resembles a mongoose. It is described as having the body of a weasel or a cat and a pig's head, with great glowing eyes, hissing breath and a high pitched voice.

In another article, which I have yet to transcribe, Margaret Irving is quoted - she calls the creature Jack.


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Anonymous
PostPosted: 10-06-2003 18:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

I finally got around to transcribing and posting the rest of the first crop of local newspaper articles from February and March 1932 when the story first surfaced. You can find them at http://www.bunhill.com/dalbyspook.html

I've added notes. Anyone interested in this story should find the items fairly interesting. No suggestion in these early reports that the animal was called 'Gef'.

I have access to further similar articles from the following months and years but very little time at the moment.

This has all been posted in rather a hurry. Do please pm or email me if you find any obvious typos etc.


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PostPosted: 10-06-2003 19:20    Post subject: Thank you Alb! Reply with quote

I would just like to tell you how much I enjoy your postings on this subject! Always full of details that I would have thought lost, and the pictures! Who else posts such consistently excellent posts? No one I've seen here yet!


Sorry about all the exclamation points!!!


Trace Mann
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Anonymous
PostPosted: 11-06-2003 10:35    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks.
You made me blush.

Incidentally - does anyone have a current email address for Mark Henson? I included a link to his page, on mine. Normally, I at least email people to say "hope that's okay".

<bigcat@bigwig.net> returns "no such user".


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PostPosted: 21-06-2003 23:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just noticed this appropriate FT MB banner ad!
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PostPosted: 25-11-2003 18:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone know where I can buy a copy (or a copied version) of the Harry Price book (1936) - "The Haunting of Cashen's Gap" ?
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PostPosted: 28-11-2003 14:53    Post subject: Good Luck! Reply with quote

I've been trying to locate a copy of that one for a while now! I did find a copy on barnesandnoble.com's rare and out of print section, but they stiffed me for it after I ordered it, and then claimed that I had cancelled the order myself!
I, quite naturally, suspect a conspiracy....

I DID get to read it at the local Library, however, and it was worth it for the prints of the plasticine [sic] "tracks" Gef left for them. I wanted to photocopy every page of the book, but they frown on that for some reason.


Trace [I'll now keep an eye out for TWO copies] Mann
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PostPosted: 28-11-2003 15:16    Post subject: Reply with quote

I first came across Gef reading my Unexplained years 'n' years ago. It was a quite interesting until I saw the Unexplaineds "artists impression" taken from contemporary description. I'm sorry but it looks like a fat ferret wearing human gloves on its front paws and mascara!

I'm at work at the moment but I'll scan and post the "cartoon" Gef when I can. Ren and Stimpy, eat your heart out!
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PostPosted: 25-02-2004 06:59    Post subject: Deleted Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 25-02-2004 16:58    Post subject: mongoose magic Reply with quote

I'd just like to say that I haven't posted here for over a year now (nothing personal, folks, just "stuff" of my own to deal with). Last night, one of my cats was whittering on and I said he was like that "bloody talking mongoose thing", and I idly wondered if anything new had been unearthed about the phenomeneon. Now, I haven't looked at the FT boards either, for at least a year or so, and assumed my membership had lapsed. Imagine my surprise (as they say in Viz comic) when a message appeared in my email this morning, saying someone had posted to this thread, to which I (apparently) subscribed!!! Weird or what??!!
I think Gef's still playing tricks from the beyond . . . Eek Eek
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PostPosted: 25-02-2004 21:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

It were you, yer bugger! I'd heard nothing more of Gef, talking mongeese (sp?) any somesuch ... then I got a "thread reminder".

Then again, is is the Fortean Times lot jiggering up interest in a subject that seems to have gone into hibernation?

I swear, if I visit the Isle of Man (a worthy and hoped-for occasion) and I see a big-pawed, mouthy ***kin ferret, I'm going to interest it in Mr Steel-Toecap and his Amazingly Painful Boot! Talk yer way out of that `un!

Sorry, I'm grumpy! I'm feeling sensitive at the moment ... but not with bloody talking mongooses!
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PostPosted: 25-02-2004 22:09    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you do visit then give me a call. Well drop me an email first and I'll give you m'number. Assuming I'm not off trying to earn some money somewhere - then I'll pick you up, take you for lunch, and give you a tour.

Lots of other good stuff here for Fortean types. Not just Gef. I'm on the IOM now - and about 6 months of every year. When I'm not on the IOM - then I'm probably a few miles from Rennes Le Chateau. A whole different story.

The IOM is a fantastic place if you're looking for a few days away somewhere which is neither England nor Ireland. English people laugh at the IOM for being backward and conservative. But it isn't.
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PostPosted: 25-02-2004 22:25    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another reason for wanting to visit the Isle of Man ...

Jonathan Gash's "Gold of Gemini" novel, of the Lovejoy series.

I'll take the offer up on you, alb, when me 'n' Mrs Khan come to visit!
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PostPosted: 18-01-2005 22:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was just reading the link that was pasted here quite a long time ago:

http://www.resologist.net/ryook005.htm

And this bit interested me:

Quote:
In the September of 1931, James Irving, his wife Margaret and their daughter Voirrey, started to hear strange noises like a wild animal, which emanated from the attic of the farmhouse. Curiously the "voice" behind these noises started to develop. In a similar way to a baby learning to speak, the cries started to turn into the words spoken by James Irving and were repeated parrot fashion by the unseen creature. In a very short space of time, the being had effectively learned to speak a good level of English!
Soon the creature, apparently a mongoose by the name of Gef, introduced itself to the Irving family. He told them that he had been born on June 7, 1852, in Delhi, India.


Why is this interesting? Because this is almost the EXACT THING that happened in the Bell Witch case. In that one, it started with scratching, animal sounds, and it eventually learned to talk over a period of time, and it originally appeared as animal (and a few times human) form. As I recall, it parrotted speach as well when it began, and it made statements much the same as Gef did about it's origins.

Total freakout!!! Shocked Shocked Shocked

EDIT because, after reading the whole account, it's almost exactly the same as the Bell Witch!!! Aside from the similarities I already noted:

Both expressed love and concern for some of the people in the house hold. Gef held Voirrey in highest regards, while for the Bell Witch it was the family matriarch who was it's favorite.

Gef claimed the be poisoned, while the Bell Witch apparently poisoned John Bell.

Both sang entertainingly.

Both would report the doings of area inhabitants from far away, something that couldn't have been known to somebody just using ventrilliquism.

Both stories were popular in the press of the day.

Both were shot and killed - the Bell Witch in an early animal manifestation, Gef supposedly at the end of his.

Even the appearance anomolies seems similar - Gef was supposed to be a mongoose, but pix looked inconclusive when they showed anything at all. When the Bell Witch manifested as creatures, they seemed at first to be a particular animal (a larege black bird, for example) but upon further inspection didn't look quite like a natural creature.

DOUBLE EDIT to add that apparently I'm not the only person who can see the similarity - there was a guy who posted to the Bell Witch thread who included a link to his theory, which is definately linking the two phenomenon. I think the idea is definately worth discussing - what was going on?
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PostPosted: 23-01-2005 03:06    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just found this thread - Gef is my "specialist subject" and there are a few bits and pieces that haven't been mentioned yet that might be of interest.

Gef and Voirrey were the subject of a video art installation in London in 2002 (I'll need to double-check the date and location - my references are at work). Voirrey was actually tracked down and interviewed for the piece which included some documentary footage shot around the farmstead (which is now just empty land). I don't know exactly what Voirrey said - I think she is reluctant to tell people about it because she assume people don't believe her. I'm not sure if she's still alive - she'd be in her 80s now.

One of the best resources is Harry Price and RS Lambert's book "The Haunting of Cashen's Gap". This was published in 1936 and has never been reprinted as far as I know. It's an odd investigation, and Price and Lambert basically come to the conclusion that Gef was the creation, concious or unconcious of Voirrey and/or her father.

The story about a farmer then shooting a mongoose a few years after the Irvings had left comes from a local Manx newspaper, which I think shows the farmer holding a ferret/mongoose-like animal.

The story is so peculiar and enigmatic that it's about time a new book or at least in-depth article was produced!

Adam
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