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Posted: 06-07-2008 01:25 Post subject:

Belief is a wonderful thing, baby. And totally promiscuous. Provided, you believe. It doesn't seem to matter, too much, what that belief happens to be.

Plus, the Belief of the conqueror tends to oust the belief of the conquered.

Posted: 06-07-2008 07:24 Post subject:

Greetings,

Posted: 06-07-2008 11:57 Post subject: tribes

nor did you put he left of his own free will you wrote if i can remember rightly he was removed so in that respect you need to be clearer on what you mean and in your other points you never really madehings that clear leaving assumption yourself

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Posted: 06-07-2008 13:34 Post subject:

I'm a little surprised this one is still rumbling on.

TBH the fact that the tribe were not, in fact, "undiscovered" makes the "leave them alone" argument all the stronger.

We are aware of them, they are aware of us. Despite this, they have chosen to remain isolated for almost a century and are hostile when approached. I'm not sure what more evidence is needed - they're not interested, so leave them be!

Posted: 07-07-2008 02:35 Post subject: Re: tribes

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Posted: 09-07-2008 16:27 Post subject:

"One of the reports - can't recall if it's on this site or not - stated that the tribe has contact with other indigenous groups which are in contact with "civilisation""

-- But that doesn;t mean they have any accurate information about us.

"Again, you are basing your views on the relationships between the sexes in this tribe with those of an entirely unrelated group"

-- It's simply an example.Just because the dominant group in thr tribe - be it men, women, elders, the chief's family, watever -- don;t want contact, that doesn;t mean that anyone else does. Contact challenges the status quo.

"For all we know the women are dominant."

-- Quite, which makes the same argument.

" I still don't understand why the behaviour of an entirely different group necessitates our intervention in the affairs of this one. "

-- Because unless we have any idea what they're like, you can't tell whether contact might be beneficial (or essential). What we do know is there are plenty of groups where that would be the case.
Any idea what proportion of tribal societies give women any choice over who they marry?

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Posted: 11-07-2008 12:04 Post subject:

I don't, no. I do, however, have a fairly good idea of the number of tribal societies which have been destroyed following contact with the West, whether through violence, disease or cultural genocide. I'm inclined to give more weight to the historical reality than to your imaginings of the minutiae of sexual politics in the Amazon.[/quote]
Exactly and in a nutshell. We're supposedly so smart and sophisticated, given all the evidence of the catastrophic effects contact with less sophisticated cultures has had on those people, just for once, why can't we keep our noses out and mind our own business?

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There are so few tribal cultures left, that not to, at least attempt, just to leave them alone, leave them in peace and keep our and those of other outsiders, filthy hands off, seems cultural vandalism of the very worst sort.[/quote]

thats my point exactly whats wrong with leaving them alone im sure we can find something else to stick our noses into we usually do!!

these people have done no wrong to us so i agree with pietro_mercurious, they can do without all the interference and in affect telling them what to do cause lets face it any new discovery we come across all we end up doing is saying what happens next, what they should be doing, basically how to live its none of our business