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Thanks for the info, Ronson.
I've passed it on to Michael Quinion, the WWW newsletter editor, for comment. He has good contacts with the OED and other wordsmiths and databases, so I'll let him dig deeper if he wishes! |
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| Posted: 09-07-2012 20:06 Post subject: |
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I responded: "Thanks for the info, Ronson.
I've passed it on to Michael Quinion, the WWW newsletter editor, for comment. He has good contacts with the OED and other wordsmiths and databases, so I'll let him dig deeper if he wishes!"
His reply follows the line I rather expected:
| Quote: | This is correct, of course - "skiver" is widely recorded in that sense.
But there's no known connection between the two words, nor can I find a
serious suggestion that skiving in this context was especially easy. I am
sure that it's a classic case of folk etymology, in which two words of
separate origin have been assumed to be the same and a story created to
connect them. |
I suppose that parallel evolution in biology is similar. Creatures from completely different lineages can come to resemble each other, especially when they share the same environment. Thus whales and dolphins were at one time frequently referred to as 'fishes' because they all lived in the sea. It was a story that seemed to make sense.
Likewise, similar words are commonly thought to be connected, even though they may actually have been derived from words in different languages. But just as the human eye tends to see faces in random groups of objects like clouds or leaves, so the human brain will concoct a story to connect similar words. (And there are many examples of this happening.) |
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A query to World Wide Words newsletter brought an unexpected and interesting reply:
Q From Isabel Henniger: What is the history behind the expression up the spout? For example in my mother’s autobiography she wrote that when her thesis advisor lost her thesis in 1930, her hopes for a university position went up the spout.
A Up the spout, gone wrong, ruined, failed or lost, is a slang expression from the British Isles of considerable age, being first recorded early in the nineteenth century. It’s still common:
When your economic sovereignty is up the spout, the smallest negative comment from a foreign leader can create panic among investors and send consumer confidence through the floor.
The Evening Herald (Dublin), 22 Oct. 2012.
To find its origin we must in imagination travel to the low-life world of pre-Dickensian England. Pawnbrokers commonly stored goods that were in hock on an upper floor of their premises, but this required a method by which such items could be moved from their shop counters to storage and back again. This is the way such a device was described in a famous work of in the nineteenth century:
[The chute] reaches from the top of the house of the Pawnbroker (where the goods are deposited for safety till redeemed or sold) to the shop, where they are first received; through which a small bag is dropped upon the ringing of a bell, which conveys the tickets or duplicates to a person above stairs, who, upon finding them, (unless too bulky) saves himself the trouble and loss of time of coming down stairs, by more readily conveying them down.
Real Life in London, by Pierce Egan, 1821.
It was the shape and function of this device, in later years nearer in form to the kitchen lift or dumbwaiter, that caused it to become known to customers and pawnbrokers as the spout. The action of pawning goods was spouting them.
Behold him walking into a pawnbroker’s shop with half-a-dozen pieces of figured waistcoatings on his arm, and a tailor’s thimble on his finger. “Here,” says he, “I’ve got six waistcoats to make, and I must spout one to buy the trimmings; let’s have three shillings.”
Curiosities of London Life, or Phases, Physiological and Social, of the Great Metropolis, by Charles Manby Smith, 1853.
Something that had been pawned was said to have gone up the spout. It was so common for the item not to be redeemed because the owner hadn’t the money to do so that to put something up the spout implied a likely permanent loss.
http://www.worldwidewords.org/nl/qqub.htm |
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Enough words here to keep you going for several days!
The trench talk that is now entrenched in the English language
From cushy to crummy and blind spot to binge drink, a new study reveals the impact the First World War had on the English language and the words it introduced.
By Jasper Copping
8:20AM GMT 25 Nov 2012
If you’re feeling washed out, fed up or downright lousy, World War One is to blame.
New research has shown how the conflict meant that hundreds of words and phrases came into common parlance thanks to the trenches.
Among the list of everyday terms found to have originated or spread from the conflict are cushy, snapshot, bloke, wash out, conk out, blind spot, binge drink and pushing up daisies.
The research has been conducted by Peter Doyle, a military historian, and Julian Walker, an etymologist, who have analysed thousands of documents from the period — including letters from the front, trench newspapers, diaries, books and official military records - to trace how language changed during the four years of the war.
They found that the war brought military slang into the mainstream, imported French and even German words to English and saw words from local dialects become part of national conversation.
Mr Walker, who works at the British Library, said: “The war was a melting plot of classes and nationalities, with people thrown together under conditions of stress.
“It was a very creative time for language. Soldiers have always had a genius for slang and coming up with terms.
“This was a citizen army - and also the first really literate army - and at the end of the war, those that survived took their new terms back to the general population.”
The results of the research are included in a new book, Trench Talk: Words of the First World War, which documents how new words and phrases originated, while others were spread from an earlier, narrow context, to gain new, wider meanings.
Many of the words were created by soldiers to describe their unfamiliar surroundings and circumstances. While they had to come up with names for new items like “trench coats” and “duckboards”, other, more descriptive phrases were also developed.
“Lousy” and “crummy” both referred to being infested with lice, while “fed up” emerged as a widespread expression of weariness among the men.
Communiqués from headquarters were derisively known as “bumf” — from “b--fodder”, a term for toilet paper. 
Such reports could often give rise to “guff” (rumours), although this was not to be confused with “gaffs”, the term for makeshift theatres built behind the lines to entertain the troops.
Other phrases to develop were “snapshot” (from a quickly aimed and taken rifle shot), and “wash out”, which described a process by which aspiring officers who failed their commissions and were sent back to their regiments, or “washed out”. By 1915 the term was being used to signify any kind of failure.
“Dud” also came to take on a wider meaning for something which failed, from the large number of faulty shells which did not explode.
Parcels from home would be “whacked out” or “whacked round” by the recipients, so they were shared among friends - each getting “a fair whack”.
The brutality of life at the front also gave rise to many euphemisms, to describe death and fear.
Comrades who were killed were said to be “pushing up daisies”, or to have “gone west” “snuffed it”, “been skittled” or “become a landowner”. Those who were afraid were said to have “got the wind up”.
Many terms which were particular to one region or social class before the war, entered common usage afterwards.
Examples include “scrounging” - to describe foraging for food, such as wild rabbits - which is thought to have derived from a northern dialect, and “binge” - to describe overindulgence in alcohol - previously just used in Lancashire. “Blotto” was another term for drunk popularised during the war.
Lower class words like “gasper” or “fag” and “bloke” - which previously referred just to a gentleman - moved from their narrow social roots.
Several phrases from the criminal underworld also entered wider use, among them “chum” - formerly slang for an accomplice - “rumbled” (to be found out) and “knocked off” (stolen).
Many more new terms came from the mix of nationalities thrown together by the war.
The French term souvenir replaced keepsake as the primary word for a memento, following exchanges with the locals, while officers being sacked were said to have “come ungummed” - from the French “dégommér”, to dismiss. This quickly developed into “come unstuck”.
Other words arrived with troops from the US - such as “cooler”, for prison - and Canada - including “swipe”, for acquiring something by means that were not necessarily above board.
Not all the new terms emerged on the Western Front.
Troops serving in the Middle Eastern campaign were introduced to local terms, including “bint”, from the Arabic for daughter. To “go binting” meant to go on leave to Cairo to look for women.
Several Hindi terms, picked up from Indian Army soldiers and already circulating in the regular, professional army, were also disseminated widely.
One of those most used at the front was “cushy” — from khush ('pleasure’).
Soldiers would describe cushy, or comfortable billets, as well as cushy trenches, in quiet sectors.
The most well known term derived from Hindi though was “Blighty”, from bilati, meaning “foreign”, which, when applied by Indians to Britons, came to be perceived by Indian Army servicemen as the term “British”.
Words even entered the lexicon from the trenches opposite. “Strafe” became an English word, from the German “to punish”, via a prominent slogan used by the enemy: “Gott Strafe England”, while prisoners of war returned with term “erzatz”, literally “replacement”, but used in English to mean “cheap substitute” and spelled ersatz.
Advances in technology also brought with them new phrases. Aircraft were known to “conk out”, while pilots also complained of “blind spots” where they were unable to see.
Many of the technical devices encountered by soldiers could be quite baffling and hard to describe, which helps to explain the widespread emergence of the word “thingumyjig” from the period.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/9700432/The-trench-talk-that-is-now-entrenched-in-the-English-language.html |
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And even more words here!
Book of the Week - The Horologicon - Episode 1
The Etymologicon was last year's surprise runaway bestseller. The author has now assembled The Horologicon, or book of hours, to delight his audience with a feast of words appropriate to a precise moment of the day.
Did you wake up feeling rough? Then you're philogrobolized probably at day peep when you were roused by your expergefactor. 
Written by Mark Forsyth Read by Hugh Dennis
Abridged and produced by Jane Marshall
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01p3hnn/Book_of_the_Week_The_Horologicon_Episode_1/
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